Tiered Story Progression

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  • AshacekarAshacekar Member Posts: 2,120 ★★★★★

    I don’t understand why story progression is high tier difficulty pass a certain point…I really enjoy the game but where I’m at now…progress seems more like work than fun…why would want to spend my hard earned money on something else that feels like a job???? There should be tiered story progression…im perfectly fine spending but what’s the point in spending if I can no longer progress…and y’all wonder why bots and scams are so successful…yall give people who don’t have the skills or time to invest no other choice…im sure this will go unnoticed but I figured I’d at least say my piece before I say goodbye to the contest for good!

    Best of luck to you all


    You, fellow summoner, are experiencing what's known as the Peter Principal, illustrated as follows:




    You're a high as you're getting. Happens to everyone at some point.

    Good luck in your future endeavors.
    Great to see fellow Petyrs raising awareness on our core principles. Since principles for a Peter matches with Petyr, it's fine but remember we are Petyrs.
  • o_oo_o Member Posts: 835 ★★★★

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,462 ★★★★★
    edited February 9
    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    Exactly, I’ve seen cavs way more beefed up than this. But that “I’m better than you” came completely out of left field with nothing to back it up.

    And nah I’m only paragon I chickened out after 1 necro path and am ftp. Also prolific forum member? I don’t know about that, but can I hire you as my hype up guy as I use 40 revives on this abs man?
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,462 ★★★★★
    edited February 9
    ahmynuts said:

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    I guarantee you if I screenshotted my profile and put it up here, I'd get the response, "Well, that's just because you've been playing for longer and have no life. Im still better."
    I always get the “you have ascended herc so you have no skill” cope. Which funny enough the first part is actually true but not because of my herc.
  • o_oo_o Member Posts: 835 ★★★★

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    Exactly, I’ve seen cavs way more beefed up than this. But that “I’m better than you” came completely out of left field with nothing to back it up.

    And nah I’m only paragon I chickened out after 1 necro path and am ftp. Also prolific forum member? I don’t know about that, but can I hire you as my hype up guy as I use 40 revives on this abs man?
    Haha, OP's "better than you" comment was directed at @ahmynuts , who is very prolific and almost certainly valiant


  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,462 ★★★★★
    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    Exactly, I’ve seen cavs way more beefed up than this. But that “I’m better than you” came completely out of left field with nothing to back it up.

    And nah I’m only paragon I chickened out after 1 necro path and am ftp. Also prolific forum member? I don’t know about that, but can I hire you as my hype up guy as I use 40 revives on this abs man?
    Haha, OP's "better than you" comment was directed at @ahmynuts , who is very prolific and almost certainly valiant


    Oh yeah I knew that, but that still came out of left field 💀
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,722 ★★★★★

    ahmynuts said:

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    I guarantee you if I screenshotted my profile and put it up here, I'd get the response, "Well, that's just because you've been playing for longer and have no life. Im still better."
    I always get the “you have ascended herc so you have no skill” cope. Which funny enough the first part is actually true but not because of my herc.
    I only have him ascended to make incursions less of a slog lmaoo
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,422 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    ahmynuts said:

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    I guarantee you if I screenshotted my profile and put it up here, I'd get the response, "Well, that's just because you've been playing for longer and have no life. Im still better."
    I always get the “you have ascended herc so you have no skill” cope. Which funny enough the first part is actually true but not because of my herc.
    I only have him ascended to make incursions less of a slog lmaoo
    Incursions room 25 pushes are the only thing that I dust off Herc for, and I hate doing it every time.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,722 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    ahmynuts said:

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    I guarantee you if I screenshotted my profile and put it up here, I'd get the response, "Well, that's just because you've been playing for longer and have no life. Im still better."
    I always get the “you have ascended herc so you have no skill” cope. Which funny enough the first part is actually true but not because of my herc.
    I only have him ascended to make incursions less of a slog lmaoo
    Incursions room 25 pushes are the only thing that I dust off Herc for, and I hate doing it every time.
    They're such a slog. I only bring him for those or as an eq boss killer so I don't have to read the nodes unless there's a specific objective.
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,462 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    ahmynuts said:

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    I guarantee you if I screenshotted my profile and put it up here, I'd get the response, "Well, that's just because you've been playing for longer and have no life. Im still better."
    I always get the “you have ascended herc so you have no skill” cope. Which funny enough the first part is actually true but not because of my herc.
    I only have him ascended to make incursions less of a slog lmaoo
    I’m seemingly one of the few players who still likes playing herc, so I just did it so that he’ll be incredibly overkill and save me time
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,462 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    ahmynuts said:

    ahmynuts said:

    o_o said:

    o_o said:

    ahmynuts said:

    Wong_98 said:

    What are you stuck on? Maybe we can help you

    Plot twist is that they're on act 3 thanos
    lol I’m probably further along and better at the game than you

    This you


    Bro I’ve done Necropolis and have less rating
    and to be clear, there's nothing inherently funny about this account... it becomes funny when this account belongs to a cavalier who claims to be "further along and better at the game than you" (where "you" is a prolific forum member who i'm pretty sure is valiant)
    I guarantee you if I screenshotted my profile and put it up here, I'd get the response, "Well, that's just because you've been playing for longer and have no life. Im still better."
    I always get the “you have ascended herc so you have no skill” cope. Which funny enough the first part is actually true but not because of my herc.
    I only have him ascended to make incursions less of a slog lmaoo
    Incursions room 25 pushes are the only thing that I dust off Herc for, and I hate doing it every time.
    I don’t even do incursions regularly anymore because I’m so sick of awful rng everytime I play. Still not sure if I’m going to do sector 6 for this event
  • Bigfoot33Bigfoot33 Member Posts: 204 ★★
    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★
    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,709 ★★★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,837 Guardian

    xLunatiXx said:

    There's tier progression. You're currently cav. You want higher tier? Do the requirement.

    I clearly said story progression…I’m fine being cavalier…I want to progress in the story
    Unfortunately, this game does the reverse. It has progressional content, and it creates a story for that content. It would be impractical to make eight different content tracks for each progression tier for the main story arc. It couldn’t just be the same story with different content because the story is connected to the content. And there are other practical problems with making low difficulty versions of the new story content bosses.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,709 ★★★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
    I would disagree. Kabam can have an internal measure of what they think is quality of life in general. But only an individual can decide about their personal quality of life. There are literal people that only have free time to play this game on their commute to and from work say. That’s all they- individually - have. We can tell them whatever we want but we can’t erase their personal circumstances
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,709 ★★★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
    I would disagree. Kabam can have an internal measure of what they think is quality of life in general. But only an individual can decide about their personal quality of life. There are literal people that only have free time to play this game on their commute to and from work say. That’s all they- individually - have. We can tell them whatever we want but we can’t erase their personal circumstances
    Its not about QoL is about priorities within a game.
    His priorities were probably champion acquisition, and not investment...
    Ever wonder why lottery winners usually end up broke?... Well its similar...
    The parameters are simple, you want to enjoy the new stuff work for it, you can buy tools to make it easier; but you still gotta put in the work.
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
    I would disagree. Kabam can have an internal measure of what they think is quality of life in general. But only an individual can decide about their personal quality of life. There are literal people that only have free time to play this game on their commute to and from work say. That’s all they- individually - have. We can tell them whatever we want but we can’t erase their personal circumstances
    Its not about QoL is about priorities within a game.
    His priorities were probably champion acquisition, and not investment...
    Ever wonder why lottery winners usually end up broke?... Well its similar...
    The parameters are simple, you want to enjoy the new stuff work for it, you can buy tools to make it easier; but you still gotta put in the work.
    Dude. You’re reading what you want. I stipulate to that. I even mention that. No one is disagreeing about putting in the work. But putting in the work takes time. You don’t magically fart time out. The day is 24 hours for everyone.

    He chooses not too. Why isn’t he allowed to make that choice? Why do his priorities have to be yours?

    Honestly. Biggest mistake he made was announcing it.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,837 Guardian

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    I think he was referring to quality of life in general, not what Kabam refers to as quality of life improvements, which is a different thing in a different context.

    Having the stash automatically fill my inventory is a quality of life improvement. But it might not improve my quality of life. Conversely, even someone who loves the game in general and has no specific complaints about how it works could have poor quality of life if they can’t find a reasonable game work life balance.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,709 ★★★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
    I would disagree. Kabam can have an internal measure of what they think is quality of life in general. But only an individual can decide about their personal quality of life. There are literal people that only have free time to play this game on their commute to and from work say. That’s all they- individually - have. We can tell them whatever we want but we can’t erase their personal circumstances
    Its not about QoL is about priorities within a game.
    His priorities were probably champion acquisition, and not investment...
    Ever wonder why lottery winners usually end up broke?... Well its similar...
    The parameters are simple, you want to enjoy the new stuff work for it, you can buy tools to make it easier; but you still gotta put in the work.
    Dude. You’re reading what you want. I stipulate to that. I even mention that. No one is disagreeing about putting in the work. But putting in the work takes time. You don’t magically fart time out. The day is 24 hours for everyone.

    He chooses not too. Why isn’t he allowed to make that choice? Why do his priorities have to be yours?

    Honestly. Biggest mistake he made was announcing it.
    ... How is putting in the work related to 24hs?..
    Dude its a Cav with 6r4 he put the time and money on the wrong place and complains about it.
    Talking about revives and spending and what not... He is CAV!!... and even if EQ and SQ weren't gated HE WOULD STILL BE CAV, cause that's what he would spend his time on.. so how does that help him?
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
    I would disagree. Kabam can have an internal measure of what they think is quality of life in general. But only an individual can decide about their personal quality of life. There are literal people that only have free time to play this game on their commute to and from work say. That’s all they- individually - have. We can tell them whatever we want but we can’t erase their personal circumstances
    Its not about QoL is about priorities within a game.
    His priorities were probably champion acquisition, and not investment...
    Ever wonder why lottery winners usually end up broke?... Well its similar...
    The parameters are simple, you want to enjoy the new stuff work for it, you can buy tools to make it easier; but you still gotta put in the work.
    Dude. You’re reading what you want. I stipulate to that. I even mention that. No one is disagreeing about putting in the work. But putting in the work takes time. You don’t magically fart time out. The day is 24 hours for everyone.

    He chooses not too. Why isn’t he allowed to make that choice? Why do his priorities have to be yours?

    Honestly. Biggest mistake he made was announcing it.
    ... How is putting in the work related to 24hs?..
    Dude its a Cav with 6r4 he put the time and money on the wrong place and complains about it.
    Talking about revives and spending and what not... He is CAV!!... and even if EQ and SQ weren't gated HE WOULD STILL BE CAV, cause that's what he would spend his time on.. so how does that help him?
    I feel like a broken record here. The concept of time and time usage and how it impacts your personal time is not complex.

    Some people can only play X Minutes a day. It’s not hard to understand.

    With those X minutes you can’t do everything. So you are going to make a subjective choice on what to spend those x minutes on for enjoyment. And if you don’t enjoy practice you won’t spend time on it.

    So. Everyone is right. Put in the work. He’s also right. Putting in the practice is not fun for him in X minutes. He would rather do something else. So that choice is right for him.

    Other than him complaining - which on a public forum gets you what it gets you - his choice is not wrong for him.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,709 ★★★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
    I would disagree. Kabam can have an internal measure of what they think is quality of life in general. But only an individual can decide about their personal quality of life. There are literal people that only have free time to play this game on their commute to and from work say. That’s all they- individually - have. We can tell them whatever we want but we can’t erase their personal circumstances
    Its not about QoL is about priorities within a game.
    His priorities were probably champion acquisition, and not investment...
    Ever wonder why lottery winners usually end up broke?... Well its similar...
    The parameters are simple, you want to enjoy the new stuff work for it, you can buy tools to make it easier; but you still gotta put in the work.
    Dude. You’re reading what you want. I stipulate to that. I even mention that. No one is disagreeing about putting in the work. But putting in the work takes time. You don’t magically fart time out. The day is 24 hours for everyone.

    He chooses not too. Why isn’t he allowed to make that choice? Why do his priorities have to be yours?

    Honestly. Biggest mistake he made was announcing it.
    ... How is putting in the work related to 24hs?..
    Dude its a Cav with 6r4 he put the time and money on the wrong place and complains about it.
    Talking about revives and spending and what not... He is CAV!!... and even if EQ and SQ weren't gated HE WOULD STILL BE CAV, cause that's what he would spend his time on.. so how does that help him?
    I feel like a broken record here. The concept of time and time usage and how it impacts your personal time is not complex.

    Some people can only play X Minutes a day. It’s not hard to understand.

    With those X minutes you can’t do everything. So you are going to make a subjective choice on what to spend those x minutes on for enjoyment. And if you don’t enjoy practice you won’t spend time on it.

    So. Everyone is right. Put in the work. He’s also right. Putting in the practice is not fun for him in X minutes. He would rather do something else. So that choice is right for him.

    Other than him complaining - which on a public forum gets you what it gets you - his choice is not wrong for him.
    Dude then its not the game for you rofl....
    I like to watch soccer matches, they last 90 mins..
    My lunch break is 60 mins.. should I writte to the Premier League about shortening the matches to 60 mins?.. It wpuld definitely improve "My QoL"...
    And no one's choice is wrong, its a personal choice. What is wrong is asking to make it fit for him.
    I don't even know where the time to play and 24 hr argument came from either.. that is your assumption. The same way that I can assume he spends all day doing arena and farming units to improve his roster to not even use it to clear content.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,709 ★★★★★
    And lets not forget the comment of telling a random person he is probably better or has a better account rofl.. the entitlement of someone who can't even attempt TB EQ...
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★

    Bigfoot33 said:

    I mean, story 'progression' has been involved in ALL video games since they were invented. Tetris gets faster the higher levels. Mario bosses get tougher. Mortal kombat you have to beat goro to get to shang tsung. Your skills only allow you to progress so far.

    If I’m reading him right I think he means gated behind progression. It seems he believes he has the roster and skill enough to do for example thronebreaker EQ. But because he’s not TB, he can’t access it.

    IMO. I don’t see a straight right or wrong with this either way. In specifically that he doesn’t find it fun chasing a progression title which involves more time. And more time in game impacts QOL. it’s a valid choice, whether popular or not. That’s just the way it goes. Some people don’t or can’t devote more than 20 minutes a day to the game. Equally, informed consent. He’s not going to get to TB Eq without the Tb title so, c’est la vie 🤷‍♂️
    If he has the roster to do EQ or higher SQ, he has the roster to be TB or even Paragon...
    They found his profile.. he has 6r4s and still Cav...
    Well it goes back to QOL and time devoted in game. Learning fights and nodes takes practice. Using my 20 minute example, practicing and learning isn’t really playing. Or at least, isn’t completing content.

    As I said I don’t see a right or wrong. Fun is subjective. It’s not fun for him. He can leave and that’s fine. He’s not getting what he wants out of it. Just as everyone else is allowed to say “well if you want to get better/more, there’s a price to pay”

    QoL is not about 1 person enjoying the game lol...
    OP even claimed he has spend in the game and doesnt mind spending, yeah I don't mind spending on things "I want" either...
    Knowing that revive farm nerf was comming, beating GM and spending a few units if needed should have been his priority. No one else to blame but him.
    I would disagree. Kabam can have an internal measure of what they think is quality of life in general. But only an individual can decide about their personal quality of life. There are literal people that only have free time to play this game on their commute to and from work say. That’s all they- individually - have. We can tell them whatever we want but we can’t erase their personal circumstances
    Its not about QoL is about priorities within a game.
    His priorities were probably champion acquisition, and not investment...
    Ever wonder why lottery winners usually end up broke?... Well its similar...
    The parameters are simple, you want to enjoy the new stuff work for it, you can buy tools to make it easier; but you still gotta put in the work.
    Dude. You’re reading what you want. I stipulate to that. I even mention that. No one is disagreeing about putting in the work. But putting in the work takes time. You don’t magically fart time out. The day is 24 hours for everyone.

    He chooses not too. Why isn’t he allowed to make that choice? Why do his priorities have to be yours?

    Honestly. Biggest mistake he made was announcing it.
    ... How is putting in the work related to 24hs?..
    Dude its a Cav with 6r4 he put the time and money on the wrong place and complains about it.
    Talking about revives and spending and what not... He is CAV!!... and even if EQ and SQ weren't gated HE WOULD STILL BE CAV, cause that's what he would spend his time on.. so how does that help him?
    I feel like a broken record here. The concept of time and time usage and how it impacts your personal time is not complex.

    Some people can only play X Minutes a day. It’s not hard to understand.

    With those X minutes you can’t do everything. So you are going to make a subjective choice on what to spend those x minutes on for enjoyment. And if you don’t enjoy practice you won’t spend time on it.

    So. Everyone is right. Put in the work. He’s also right. Putting in the practice is not fun for him in X minutes. He would rather do something else. So that choice is right for him.

    Other than him complaining - which on a public forum gets you what it gets you - his choice is not wrong for him.
    Dude then its not the game for you rofl....
    I like to watch soccer matches, they last 90 mins..
    My lunch break is 60 mins.. should I writte to the Premier League about shortening the matches to 60 mins?.. It wpuld definitely improve "My QoL"...
    And no one's choice is wrong, its a personal choice. What is wrong is asking to make it fit for him.
    I don't even know where the time to play and 24 hr argument came from either.. that is your assumption. The same way that I can assume he spends all day doing arena and farming units to improve his roster to not even use it to clear content.
    You’re so intent on winning an argument that doesn’t exist it’s hilarious.

    Reread his first post. He directly states he doesn’t want to devote the time.

    “Y’all give people people who don’t have the skills or TIME to invest no other choice “

    Any reference to time I made was a hypothetical example. He could spend 2 hours a day. He could spend 2 minutes. The amount is not the issue but the usage is.

    And he says the game is not for him. Like. You are literally parroting him but for some reason there’s an issue with that?
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