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Logan00

One of the most frustrating and against player content I have seen so far in the game. The energy cost the regen is really nonsense

Poesie66959

I'm 2 days in, 10 or so full revives and using R4 She Hulk. I am a Paragon player, I've been here over 7 years with a fairly wide roster. I spend a little, I am not whale but get the sigil, unit deal, a couple of things here and there - probably like most. Best I can do is get Abs Man down to around 30% that's about it, one mistake and you're done. Throw in a revive you say, second go seems him go ultra defensive and suddenly back to 60/70%. Then I come here and I see that I am not alone - the whole community is up in arms. This is disgraceful and the comments from Kabam are simply... get gud we're changing nothing. Now maybe this does only cater to their elite player base and that is absolutely fine, but then just say so. I have seen all the faux pas' that Kabam have done over the years and there have been some whoppers, this is the first time I have started to think that this game is no longer for me, they are catering to an audience that spends big. 10 energy per try, are you kidding me? This is as about as tone deaf as you can get for designing 'fun' - listen to your audience and find out who's actually having any fun!

So Kabam, be careful, you are pushing your core players to the edge by pandering to an elite few...

Jazz_Messenger

After more testing, it seems like Guilly is easily the best option for #robot (unless warlock turns out to be a god for it), but it’s a painful fight like someone else said. Solo is possible but really really hard because he’ll crit into block sometimes, but she can do it in one 20% revive if you play it perfectly and the AI cooperates

So glad I picked Hulk over Bishop from the selector cause he’s my only good option for Gamma. I’ll take him to r2 and try again and again and hopefully that should be a solo

I have no sandman over a 5* level so I’m pretty screwed for sinister 6 😭
I am in the same boat. I picked Hulk from 7* Selector from Necropolis. I have Guillotine 2099. But my highest Sandman is only 4*…
I really feel bad for you. I don’t have the 6* (for some reason almost everyone has him as a 6 or 7*) so they cant feel the pain I’m about to have using the 5* ascended.

Shocker isnt ideal for the fight and I wouldn’t even bother with Mysterio.

The worst part about this event despite all the complains is that its just so frustratingly limited on options. I have to use a 5* Sandman that i just took to r5 and ascended

Good luck. Let us know how that goes. If I pull 5* before the event ends, I’ll be doing the same. Otherwise, I’ll give it a try with Shocker.

XSquad

Can we know now what other tags we need moving forward?? Thanks.

Jefechuta

@Jefechuta To be honest, maybe less than a 1000 people watched the livestream and paid attention. The others who joined the livestream were there just for the giveaway. Not everyone knew the energy cost until the content was released. Even a couple of my alliance mates who actually heard everything on the live stream kind of forgot that it cost 10 energy and were surprised when they entered the quest.

It did come as a shock to the rest of community at large who didn’t attend the livestream that they have this super OP fight that they just go in with 10 energy take a blocked hit/parry and have to restart. Before you know it, you are out of energy and have to wait few hours to go in again. Had this fight been less punishing, people may have got a chance to actually experience the fight somewhat. So you can’t separate the 2 issues from each other.

As to your analogy, a more appropriate one would be people went to buy iPhone 14 but were sold an iPhone 15 pro max and were also charged a couple of thousand extra because the store thought there should be an additional cost to it.

Thats not accurate at all, not only we had the post on Monday about all the info on this event, including the energy cost, but we had youtubers uploading videos with the info, which are not viewed by 1k or 2k people but by 10k or 20k.

And I dont think thats analogy is accurate, since an Iphone 15 would be better than the 14 version, in this case, the phone we get is worse, since the fight is trash.

I think attacking the energy like thats the problem is wrong, since thats not the main source of the problem.

Ill give you another analogy, if you put salt into a sweet cake, you cant blame other ingredients, only the salt, because thats what makes the cake taste like garbage, the salt here is the fight, and we are blaming the eggs just because.

Graves_3

@Jefechuta To be honest, maybe less than a 1000 people watched the livestream and paid attention. The others who joined the livestream were there just for the giveaway. Not everyone knew the energy cost until the content was released. Even a couple of my alliance mates who actually heard everything on the live stream kind of forgot that it cost 10 energy and were surprised when they entered the quest.

It did come as a shock to the rest of community at large who didn’t attend the livestream that they have this super OP fight that they just go in with 10 energy take a blocked hit/parry and have to restart. Before you know it, you are out of energy and have to wait few hours to go in again. Had this fight been less punishing, people may have got a chance to actually experience the fight somewhat. So you can’t separate the 2 issues from each other.

As to your analogy, a more appropriate one would be people went to buy iPhone 14 but were sold an iPhone 15 pro max and were also charged a couple of thousand extra because the store thought there should be an additional cost to it.
Thats not accurate at all, not only we had the post on Monday about all the info on this event, including the energy cost, but we had youtubers uploading videos with the info, which are not viewed by 1k or 2k people but by 10k or 20k.

And I dont think thats analogy is accurate, since an Iphone 15 would be better than the 14 version, in this case, the phone we get is worse, since the fight is trash.

I think attacking the energy like thats the problem is wrong, since thats not the main source of the problem.

Ill give you another analogy, if you put salt into a sweet cake, you cant blame other ingredients, only the salt, because thats what makes the cake taste like garbage, the salt here is the fight, and we are blaming the eggs just because.

Can you please point to the post where they talked about energy requirement prior to the event?

Graves_3

And also are YouTubers a reliable source of information? Haven’t you seen posts about titan pool a few days ago where Jax mentioned only the forums/livestream/in game mail as official source of information.

Mackey

I dont really understand the rage about the Energy;

1. Its a free resource, which you can refill spending units.
2. Technically it is not supposed to be soloed by everyone, so yeah, you have revives, use them. Yeah, I want to save those for other stuff! Well, thats completelly on you.
3. We have 2 damn weeks for each fight, you dont have to do them on day 1, nor day 2, nor day 7, you can do it whenever you are able to do it over 14 days of duration, you have 7 tries in a row, and an additional try every 50/60 min.

It isnt less fair to be 10 energy every time just because the boss is hard, everyone was okay with it being 10 Energy everytime because everyone thought they could do the solo in a low amount of tries, which basically it is not supposed to happen, because this is supposed to be End game content, and the most recent End game content is Necro, are you supposed to be able to solo a Necro boss in a couple of tries? No, you are not supposed to do so, this wasnt going to be any different.

And you can disagree with this, but it wont make it less true, Im not going to enjoy the fact that Ill have to fight this boss several times a day to be able to do it the most efficient way, but I understand that this is the way it is supposed to be done.
Rare Jefechuta L?
Man I personally cant see the problem, sometimes Kabam messes up, sometimes it doesnt, I dont think they messed up with the energy stuff, we got 12 days and 16 hours still, I dont think it has any sense to complain on day 2 about the Energy when you still have 12 days of free tries.
…but it’s not free tries. What if a player only used their energy on this challenge trying to clear this overtuned fight and finally on day 14 they get a sigh of relief as they finish their final objective. Just for it to reset into a whole other overtuned fight that they then have to spend another 14 days trying to do all over again. It’s a vicious cycle that is demoralizing. Not to mention you’re spending all your energy trying to do this one fight when you still have EQ, SQ, rifts, and battlegrounds I would like to use my energy on, too. So I’m sorry, but “free tries” is incorrect.

I think Kabam said something along the lines of making sure future fights aren’t this bad but I have very very low expectations after seeing this fight. If they actually do make future fights more manageable then it’ll be a miraculous surprise but I wouldn’t count those chickens before they’ve hatched.
They already said that the next fights are going to be easier than this one.

Two things here, if it is that damn awful to do the fight that you are able to do it the 14 day, because it is too hard, maybe it is not something you should be investing time, because as I said earlier, this is not supposed to be beatable for everyone, and thats already stated several times.

Next one, the fact that you spend it all there, and you dont have enough for other content, that doesnt change the fact that energy is free, and If you really need that much energy due to how hard it is for you to do the content, you have the refills, which are also free, if you grind a little bit of arena you will get 30 units every time you need them for the content you wanna spend the energy on.

BGs is a bad example, you have the marks also to do the fights, if you choose to use Energy thats a you problem.

We cant get angry because of everything, the fight sucks, the will give us a free point just for completion, and the next fights are easier, and Abs Man will be tuned down for the last one so it is not this hard.

I think everything else is kinda fair.
Please read the announcement again. They did not say that the next fights are easier. They said they expect few of the next fights to be easier. They both don’t mean the same.

So why should we be complaining about Energy because the fights are hard when we only know one single fight which they stated it harder than they wanted it to be? As I said earlier, everybody was okay about the energy till the first fight arrived, so the energy was never the problem, the problem is the fight itself.

We cannot attach the problem to something thats not related to it. If you buy an Iphone and you receive a Nokia, the problem is not the price of it, but the product itself, the product here is the damn fight, not the energy.

Everybody didn't watch that livestream lad, I didn't so knew nothing about the extra energy until it dropped. So no, not everyone was okay with it. Stop assuming things

The_0wenpus

I'd suggest using Sasquatch for the Gamma objective. Stagger on heavy means no unstoppable if you play right, intercepting specials. However, Sassy's main damage source of his sp2 doesn't work with dot immunity. His sp3 is the way to go.

Never mind, that Regen gets insane as abs' health decreases.

Mackey

@Jefechuta To be honest, maybe less than a 1000 people watched the livestream and paid attention. The others who joined the livestream were there just for the giveaway. Not everyone knew the energy cost until the content was released. Even a couple of my alliance mates who actually heard everything on the live stream kind of forgot that it cost 10 energy and were surprised when they entered the quest.

It did come as a shock to the rest of community at large who didn’t attend the livestream that they have this super OP fight that they just go in with 10 energy take a blocked hit/parry and have to restart. Before you know it, you are out of energy and have to wait few hours to go in again. Had this fight been less punishing, people may have got a chance to actually experience the fight somewhat. So you can’t separate the 2 issues from each other.

As to your analogy, a more appropriate one would be people went to buy iPhone 14 but were sold an iPhone 15 pro max and were also charged a couple of thousand extra because the store thought there should be an additional cost to it.
Thats not accurate at all, not only we had the post on Monday about all the info on this event, including the energy cost, but we had youtubers uploading videos with the info, which are not viewed by 1k or 2k people but by 10k or 20k.

And I dont think thats analogy is accurate, since an Iphone 15 would be better than the 14 version, in this case, the phone we get is worse, since the fight is trash.

I think attacking the energy like thats the problem is wrong, since thats not the main source of the problem.

Ill give you another analogy, if you put salt into a sweet cake, you cant blame other ingredients, only the salt, because thats what makes the cake taste like garbage, the salt here is the fight, and we are blaming the eggs just because.
Can you please point to the post where they talked about energy requirement prior to the event?

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/359302/new-end-game-content-winter-of-woe-starts-feb-7th/p1

This is the only write up I can find myself and it says nothing about energy costs in there. This guy is just trying to wind people up in my opinion. Talking about things he knows little about

Mackey

@Jefechuta To be honest, maybe less than a 1000 people watched the livestream and paid attention. The others who joined the livestream were there just for the giveaway. Not everyone knew the energy cost until the content was released. Even a couple of my alliance mates who actually heard everything on the live stream kind of forgot that it cost 10 energy and were surprised when they entered the quest.

It did come as a shock to the rest of community at large who didn’t attend the livestream that they have this super OP fight that they just go in with 10 energy take a blocked hit/parry and have to restart. Before you know it, you are out of energy and have to wait few hours to go in again. Had this fight been less punishing, people may have got a chance to actually experience the fight somewhat. So you can’t separate the 2 issues from each other.

As to your analogy, a more appropriate one would be people went to buy iPhone 14 but were sold an iPhone 15 pro max and were also charged a couple of thousand extra because the store thought there should be an additional cost to it.
Thats not accurate at all, not only we had the post on Monday about all the info on this event, including the energy cost, but we had youtubers uploading videos with the info, which are not viewed by 1k or 2k people but by 10k or 20k.

And I dont think thats analogy is accurate, since an Iphone 15 would be better than the 14 version, in this case, the phone we get is worse, since the fight is trash.

I think attacking the energy like thats the problem is wrong, since thats not the main source of the problem.

Ill give you another analogy, if you put salt into a sweet cake, you cant blame other ingredients, only the salt, because thats what makes the cake taste like garbage, the salt here is the fight, and we are blaming the eggs just because.
Can you please point to the post where they talked about energy requirement prior to the event?
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/359302/new-end-game-content-winter-of-woe-starts-feb-7th/p1

This is the only write up I can find myself and it says nothing about energy costs in there. This guy is just trying to wind people up in my opinion. Talking about things he knows little about

Come to.think of it, I haven't actually seen official mention of this increas of energy, pretty poor for a company to.make such a big change and not ensure it's put through as many channels as possible so we're all informed prior to the content. Shady

Greekhit

One of the most frustrating and against player content I have seen so far in the game. The energy cost the regen is really nonsense

It’s not the energy cost, it’s not the crazy regen, it’s not the Unstoppable, it’s not the degen from Brute Force, heck it isn’t the extreme limited pool of champs that can be used for the objectives.
It’s the combination of them all together that make it BS.
Couple of these things need to be taken out, in order for the fight to still remain hard, but not that hard that only less than 0.1% of the player base find challenging.
A company that big should have people who know that
you don’t wait for numbers to go south in your data to correct things.
You see the early signs and you prevent that.
As long as this fight stays live as it is, things will only get worse.

Goji88

I am having trouble verifying how many points I should or will have. I completed the gamma objective with an r3 hulk. I am sitting at 2 milestone points. Am I getting a third point later? If yes, please point to an official source. I saw the announcement and maybe missed where and when this extra point for completion will be rewarded. And thank you in advance for any help.

Theshadowpanther

When is kabam issuing the extra objective point?

Ironman3000

If it was 2 energy, that's 35 tries per refill so there would be much fewer issues with the difficulty of the fight.

Greekhit

If it was 2 energy, that's 35 tries per refill so there would be much fewer issues with the difficulty of the fight.

It would surely be much better.
In my opinion the worst part of the fight is the insane regen.
Someone could throw revives and end up having Abs Man with much more health than before using the items.
It’s counter intuitive for using revives/potions.
It’s a fight that if you aren’t able to solo, any item invest won’t guarantee you any progress.
That’s why people complain about the high energy cost, because due to the nature of the fight they are after the solo.

Mackey

One of the most frustrating and against player content I have seen so far in the game. The energy cost the regen is really nonsense
It’s not the energy cost, it’s not the crazy regen, it’s not the Unstoppable, it’s not the degen from Brute Force, heck it isn’t the extreme limited pool of champs that can be used for the objectives.
It’s the combination of them all together that make it BS.
Couple of these things need to be taken out, in order for the fight to still remain hard, but not that hard that only less than 0.1% of the player base find challenging.
A company that big should have people who know that
you don’t wait for numbers to go south in your data to correct things.
You see the early signs and you prevent that.
As long as this fight stays live as it is, things will only get worse.

Since I started playing this back in covid lockdowns I've noticed that there is a lot of reactivity from Kabam and a lack of proactivity. I suspect that'll never change.

TP33

The AI is the worst part about the fight icl.

It’s just infuriating the way he will throw a random light attack or heavy just to mess you up.

I had him down to 9% and he decides to go full turtle, lets all my furies fall off (I had about 20 the fact he didn’t throw his special is UNBELIEVABLE) and then the millisecond I block instead of dashing back he light attacks and kills me on the spot.

From that point I revived, went back in, and he suddenly throws a million specials and heals back to 50%. After that I kept getting caught out by stupid bull that he kept pulling.

I’m done with this, the regen is just plain stupid, you can’t block him for 90% of the fight, if he so much as looks at you hard enough you take 100000 damage and die instantly, and you can’t convince me the AI isn’t specially programmed to ruin your fight.

mbrace

@TP33 “if he so much as looks at you hard enough you take 100000 damage and die instantly” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

T-DeAdLY-J

I managed to do the sinister six objective with r3 mysterio in 2 revives, but holy. The AI just makes everything 10x worse.

Wasy1

Here you all go incase you haven’t seen it yet https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/359669/updates-to-winter-of-woe-quest-1#latest

I didn't get the extra point for doing robot challenge

Potatoslice500

One of the most frustrating and against player content I have seen so far in the game. The energy cost the regen is really nonsense
It’s not the energy cost, it’s not the crazy regen, it’s not the Unstoppable, it’s not the degen from Brute Force, heck it isn’t the extreme limited pool of champs that can be used for the objectives.
It’s the combination of them all together that make it BS.
Couple of these things need to be taken out, in order for the fight to still remain hard, but not that hard that only less than 0.1% of the player base find challenging.
A company that big should have people who know that
you don’t wait for numbers to go south in your data to correct things.
You see the early signs and you prevent that.
As long as this fight stays live as it is, things will only get worse.

It's basically a r3 7 giveaway to the top players in the game, an endless resource drain for everyone else.

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Logan00

Imho either you have a rank 3 7* hulk or you are an ultra skill player with She-hulk or in your run all the planets align or simply forget it. This fight needs to be done solo otherwise abs man start to regen like crazy and gain back all the health. I have a rank 1 7* hulk and in my best run I managed to take him down to 35% health, revived and then he went back to 80% in seconds. Rank 3, Sig 200 she-hulk, just managed to take him down to 80%, I don't know how to do the dash-in. Spent countless energy before accepting I can't do this fight, so I won't.

Suros_moon

I soloed with a r1 7 star sandman as well as a r3 6 star she hulk. Ive been practicing the guillotine 2099 run but even with a perfect run (0 healing all re-parries landed) she doesnt have the health to solo it. I did 84% in one run but the solo is insanely tight for a r1 7 stat

Logan00

I soloed with a r1 7 star sandman as well as a r3 6 star she hulk. Ive been practicing the guillotine 2099 run but even with a perfect run (0 healing all re-parries landed) she doesnt have the health to solo it. I did 84% in one run but the solo is insanely tight for a r1 7 stat

Can you do the dash-in with She-hulk? Otherwise which strategy you used?

ahmynuts

Imho either you have a rank 3 7* hulk or you are an ultra skill player with She-hulk or in your run all the planets align or simply forget it. This fight needs to be done solo otherwise abs man start to regen like crazy and gain back all the health. I have a rank 1 7* hulk and in my best run I managed to take him down to 35% health, revived and then he went back to 80% in seconds. Rank 3, Sig 200 she-hulk, just managed to take him down to 80%, I don't know how to do the dash-in. Spent countless energy before accepting I can't do this fight, so I won't.

I have a rank 2 hulk and he did it in like 2:30 total and that's with me messing up and dying when abs man clipped me with a special at 30%

A r1 hulk can definitely do this fight, it would just take longer and you'd have to play better

Logan00

Imho either you have a rank 3 7* hulk or you are an ultra skill player with She-hulk or in your run all the planets align or simply forget it. This fight needs to be done solo otherwise abs man start to regen like crazy and gain back all the health. I have a rank 1 7* hulk and in my best run I managed to take him down to 35% health, revived and then he went back to 80% in seconds. Rank 3, Sig 200 she-hulk, just managed to take him down to 80%, I don't know how to do the dash-in. Spent countless energy before accepting I can't do this fight, so I won't.
I have a rank 2 hulk and he did it in like 2:30 total and that's with me messing up and dying when abs man clipped me with a special at 30%

A r1 hulk can definitely do this fight, it would just take longer and you'd have to play better

Maybe you are right but so far I haven't seen any, masteries maybe?

ahmynuts

Imho either you have a rank 3 7* hulk or you are an ultra skill player with She-hulk or in your run all the planets align or simply forget it. This fight needs to be done solo otherwise abs man start to regen like crazy and gain back all the health. I have a rank 1 7* hulk and in my best run I managed to take him down to 35% health, revived and then he went back to 80% in seconds. Rank 3, Sig 200 she-hulk, just managed to take him down to 80%, I don't know how to do the dash-in. Spent countless energy before accepting I can't do this fight, so I won't.
I have a rank 2 hulk and he did it in like 2:30 total and that's with me messing up and dying when abs man clipped me with a special at 30%

A r1 hulk can definitely do this fight, it would just take longer and you'd have to play better
Maybe you are right but so far I haven't seen any, masteries maybe?

Sp3 and burst abs man down but don't go so crazy that he kills you. I'm only trying to counter your point about hulk, not trying to say the fight is good in any way because it's not lol

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