hmm.. i like these new carinas challenges.. but this response from kabam miike is distasteful.

ra_wr · February 16

not his entire response. just the one paragraph i have screenshotted.

what stash of potions and revives are you mentioning? back to back to back everest content IS fun, but damaging to our stash of revives and potions we may or may not have. ESPECIALLY due to the removal or grinding potions and revives, AND not receiving a heads up about this content way in advance (2-4 weeks in advance).

also, designing content not to be made itemless is a vague statement. what are you designing content off of? content like this should be made on the basis of "doable WITHOUT an abundance of revives and potions IF skilled enough" if your designing content that is intentionally made for the user to revive constantly, then i want no part of that and im sure many of us wouldnt want to be either.

JT_Supreme · February 16

Stash as in units, as in card swipey swipey

Wicket329 · February 16

It’s permanent content. So is Necropolis. The only time-gated endgame content we have right now is WoW, so that should be the priority. If you have excess resources on hand after that, then you can choose to use them in one of the other permanent areas.

Ashacekar · February 16

He is advocate for the game, don't mind his comments. If we were at his place, we would make such arguments too.

Syndicated · February 16

Wicket329 said:
It’s permanent content. So is Necropolis. The only time-gated endgame content we have right now is WoW, so that should be the priority. If you have excess resources on hand after that, then you can choose to use them in one of the other permanent areas.

Well, in that choices, Necropolis is the best option, You Will get a Valiant title that gives You a ton of benefits.

TheShinyDome · February 16

I feel like that response is exactly how the game has been the entire time I've played it though. You either get really skilled and get past things with great skill, or you use enough items to get past it- whether bought with units or acquired through gameplay, solo events, or cash.

Phantomfire500 · February 16

KarateMike said this was supposed to release back in like October, but delays happened, so that stash. Lags' challenge is obviously easy, Mike's done his for a total of <20 and Fin said he did his Tigra one (1 R5 Tigra 1 R4 Jabari no relics or boosts) for 24 when he submitted it, and MSD's done both of Fin's challenges for 23 revives total (just over a third being team revives)

Ashacekar · February 16

Phantomfire500 said:
KarateMike said this was supposed to release back in like October, but delays happened, so that stash. Lags' challenge is obviously easy, Mike's done his for a total of <20 and Fin said he did his Tigra one (1 R5 Tigra 1 R4 Jabari no relics or boosts) for 24 when he submitted it, and MSD's done both of Fin's challenges for 23 revives total (just over a third being team revives)

MSD needing 23 revives is not cool. It's like Saitama needing more than one punch. It clearly indicates how tough the challenges are for a normal human being.

G-Hun-Gear · February 16

Phantomfire500 said:
KarateMike said this was supposed to release back in like October, but delays happened, so that stash. Lags' challenge is obviously easy, Mike's done his for a total of <20 and Fin said he did his Tigra one (1 R5 Tigra 1 R4 Jabari no relics or boosts) for 24 when he submitted it, and MSD's done both of Fin's challenges for 23 revives total (just over a third being team revives)

Yeah, but these are people that do Necropolis itemless (MSD has a video of an Itemless Necro path)… So if they are doing it in 23/24 revives, we will need hundreds!

captain_rogers · February 16

Ashacekar said:
He is advocate for the game, don't mind his comments. If we were at his place, we would make such arguments too.

Most sensible comment I've ever seen. He is literally paid to say this, Which corporation in history had openly accepted their flaws, lol.

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Wicket329 · February 16

G-Hun-Gear said:

Phantomfire500 said:
KarateMike said this was supposed to release back in like October, but delays happened, so that stash. Lags' challenge is obviously easy, Mike's done his for a total of <20 and Fin said he did his Tigra one (1 R5 Tigra 1 R4 Jabari no relics or boosts) for 24 when he submitted it, and MSD's done both of Fin's challenges for 23 revives total (just over a third being team revives)
Yeah, but these are people that do Necropolis itemless (MSD has a video of an Itemless Necro path)… So if they are doing it in 23/24 revives, we will need hundreds!

I keep seeing these arguments, and they aren’t quite right. MSD is an insanely good player, no doubt about that, but videos like the one mentioned in this comment weren’t done live, and they absolutely weren’t accomplished on a first attempt. They took tons of practice, with a team optimized for that specific goal.

Compare that to these challenges, which the content creators are going in on one attempt, not taking however many they may need to get the perfect try. I bet you that, given time to redo it over and over, MSD could do it reviveless. Not itemless, Fintech came on the forums and said itemless isn’t really possible due to unavoidable damage in some fights, but reviveless is possible.

I’m just saying, even the best players in the world make mistakes, have dropped inputs, or just get unlucky. A single run by them should not be the measuring stick.

ReignkingTW · February 16

I don't mind his comment, but I do agree with the OP.

I am trying to save up for a 4th path in Necropolis, but so much content in so little time is overwhelming, especially since it is untested, extremely difficult, and very buggy. I think we've had a new bug every day this week.

Fortunately Carinas is permanent.

Dirty_Dozz · February 16

G-Hun-Gear said:

Phantomfire500 said:
KarateMike said this was supposed to release back in like October, but delays happened, so that stash. Lags' challenge is obviously easy, Mike's done his for a total of <20 and Fin said he did his Tigra one (1 R5 Tigra 1 R4 Jabari no relics or boosts) for 24 when he submitted it, and MSD's done both of Fin's challenges for 23 revives total (just over a third being team revives)
Yeah, but these are people that do Necropolis itemless (MSD has a video of an Itemless Necro path)… So if they are doing it in 23/24 revives, we will need hundreds!

FWIW, I was in this camp as well. But after watching MSD do the Tigra Jabari challenge, and seeing the general strategy, it really doesn't seem that bad. Several of the fights were done in like 2 minutes or less, and the strategy is mainly just "build to SP2, dash back and throw it". Some fights require a bit more finesse, like MODOK, Warlock, and Dormammu, but most a fairly straight forward.

And watching KarateMike do his Classic Threat challenge, it really showcases the value some of the older Champs still have. BW with her DAAR is huge, and everyone (still) writes her off.

All in all, while the challenge still has some big sticking points, I don't really think it's as bad as everyone was making it out to be on release.

Chuck_Finley · February 16

“It’s permanent content” -
Seeing this thrown around like it’s a trump card. Like all Everest content, there comes a point where the rewards become irrelevant due natural game progression. That’s a built in timeframe that can’t be escaped. Given the rewards in these challenges- the rewards are almost to that point already.

So the “permanent content” remarks only matter to people who can’t stand having something unfinished in the game- which by and large aren’t the people voicing concerns.

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EBG78 · February 16

Chuck_Finley said:
“It’s permanent content” -
Seeing this thrown around like it’s a trump card. Like all Everest content, there comes a point where the rewards become irrelevant due natural game progression. That’s a built in timeframe that can’t be escaped. Given the rewards in these challenges- the rewards are almost to that point already.

So the “permanent content” remarks only matter to people who can’t stand having something unfinished in the game- which by and large aren’t the people voicing concerns.

100% agreed. Yes it's permanent, but to r4/r5 all of the old Avengers for the Mike's challenge (he had all r4/5 except IM was a duped 7*, and 3 of the 6*'s were sig 200) would take a lot of resources that most would rather put toward other champs. By the time the resources to rank the needed champions to a good enough rank to complete the challenges are in abundance, the rewards for the challenges will have a much lower value. If there were rankup materials as rewards for a couple of the challenges, that would certainly help some that are otherwise not motivated to do any other than Lagacy's challenges.

ReignkingTW · February 16

Chuck_Finley said:

So the “permanent content” remarks only matter to people who can’t stand having something unfinished in the game- which by and large aren’t the people voicing concerns.

Fair enough, although a 7 masacre, if only there, may hold value. But there's no reason to go back and waste resources on vol 1 or 2 because they are mostly locked to 3s or 4s. Just like I'll never go back and do abyss or variants - juice aint worth the squeeze.

captain_rogers · February 16

Wicket329 said:

G-Hun-Gear said:

Phantomfire500 said:
KarateMike said this was supposed to release back in like October, but delays happened, so that stash. Lags' challenge is obviously easy, Mike's done his for a total of <20 and Fin said he did his Tigra one (1 R5 Tigra 1 R4 Jabari no relics or boosts) for 24 when he submitted it, and MSD's done both of Fin's challenges for 23 revives total (just over a third being team revives)
Yeah, but these are people that do Necropolis itemless (MSD has a video of an Itemless Necro path)… So if they are doing it in 23/24 revives, we will need hundreds!
I keep seeing these arguments, and they aren’t quite right. MSD is an insanely good player, no doubt about that, but videos like the one mentioned in this comment weren’t done live, and they absolutely weren’t accomplished on a first attempt. They took tons of practice, with a team optimized for that specific goal.

Compare that to these challenges, which the content creators are going in on one attempt, not taking however many they may need to get the perfect try. I bet you that, given time to redo it over and over, MSD could do it reviveless. Not itemless, Fintech came on the forums and said itemless isn’t really possible due to unavoidable damage in some fights, but reviveless is possible.

I’m just saying, even the best players in the world make mistakes, have dropped inputs, or just get unlucky. A single run by them should not be the measuring stick.

Im damn sure zemo against domino isn't possible without a revive.

PT_99 · February 16

Kabam must realise that "stash" does not exist anymore after revive farm nerfs on repeat.

I'm fine with hard content, it is what it is, more Arena grind or just something but whatsup with random 6* champion selection rewards?

The challenge is hard but reward is, what?? Is the rewards some easter egg or something funny?

(Reward Selector have 6* Jabari, people on forums are crying their hearts out after pulling 7* Jabari 😵‍💫)

GalactikDonut · February 16

PT_99 said:

The challenge is hard but reward is, what?? Is the rewards some easter egg or something funny?

(Reward Selector have 6* Jabari, people on forums are crying their hearts out after pulling 7* Jabari 😵‍💫)

the selectors are for the 6 star champions required for the challenges. it’s so players who don’t have them or don’t have them max sig to help complete the challenges

Wicket329 · February 16

Chuck_Finley said:
“It’s permanent content” -
Seeing this thrown around like it’s a trump card. Like all Everest content, there comes a point where the rewards become irrelevant due natural game progression. That’s a built in timeframe that can’t be escaped. Given the rewards in these challenges- the rewards are almost to that point already.

So the “permanent content” remarks only matter to people who can’t stand having something unfinished in the game- which by and large aren’t the people voicing concerns.

In Necropolis first and now with these challenges, Kabam has done a good job of future-proofing the rewards for several years. In Necropolis, the most valuable rewards that will remain relevant long into the future are the Launch Pool Selector, both versions of Maestro, the class specific crystals, and most valuable of all, the extra Mastery point. The Maestro and mastery point are especially valuable because they are and will be unique to Necropolis forever.

Kabam Crashed has already stated on the forums that it will likely be several years before these three champions will be accessible through any means other than this set of Carina’s Challenges, and he’s specifically the guy in charge of what 7* champs become available. If you want one of these champs, then the rewards are and will be valuable. If you don’t care about them, then the rewards are already bad and you can skip it.

So, yeah, it’s permanent content that will retain its value for at least two years. That’s pretty damn good when compared to the usefulness of other older content.

pseudosane · February 16

Honestly dont see anything wrong with what he said.

Wicket329 · February 16

captain_rogers said:

Wicket329 said:

G-Hun-Gear said:

Phantomfire500 said:
KarateMike said this was supposed to release back in like October, but delays happened, so that stash. Lags' challenge is obviously easy, Mike's done his for a total of <20 and Fin said he did his Tigra one (1 R5 Tigra 1 R4 Jabari no relics or boosts) for 24 when he submitted it, and MSD's done both of Fin's challenges for 23 revives total (just over a third being team revives)
Yeah, but these are people that do Necropolis itemless (MSD has a video of an Itemless Necro path)… So if they are doing it in 23/24 revives, we will need hundreds!
I keep seeing these arguments, and they aren’t quite right. MSD is an insanely good player, no doubt about that, but videos like the one mentioned in this comment weren’t done live, and they absolutely weren’t accomplished on a first attempt. They took tons of practice, with a team optimized for that specific goal.

Compare that to these challenges, which the content creators are going in on one attempt, not taking however many they may need to get the perfect try. I bet you that, given time to redo it over and over, MSD could do it reviveless. Not itemless, Fintech came on the forums and said itemless isn’t really possible due to unavoidable damage in some fights, but reviveless is possible.

I’m just saying, even the best players in the world make mistakes, have dropped inputs, or just get unlucky. A single run by them should not be the measuring stick.
Im damn sure zemo against domino isn't possible without a revive.

Karatemike literally did it on livestream.

Technically you’re right in that a revive was used because his first attempt he didn’t do any damage before dying. The second attempt took Domino from 100% health to 0%.

PT_99 · February 16

GalactikDonut said:

PT_99 said:

The challenge is hard but reward is, what?? Is the rewards some easter egg or something funny?

(Reward Selector have 6* Jabari, people on forums are crying their hearts out after pulling 7* Jabari 😵‍💫)
the selectors are for the 6 star champions required for the challenges. it’s so players who don’t have them or don’t have them max sig to help complete the challenges

I don't think anyone is hooraying after completing a hard quest just to add 20 sigs in a hero.

Demonzfyre · February 16

ra_wr said:

not his entire response. just the one paragraph i have screenshotted.

what stash of potions and revives are you mentioning? back to back to back everest content IS fun, but damaging to our stash of revives and potions we may or may not have. ESPECIALLY due to the removal or grinding potions and revives, AND not receiving a heads up about this content way in advance (2-4 weeks in advance).

also, designing content not to be made itemless is a vague statement. what are you designing content off of? content like this should be made on the basis of "doable WITHOUT an abundance of revives and potions IF skilled enough" if your designing content that is intentionally made for the user to revive constantly, then i want no part of that and im sure many of us wouldnt want to be either.

You're mad because he says use some items?

Terminatrix · February 16

"Be ready to use your stash of revives and potions"

And this is why they nerfed the revive farm.

Chuck_Finley · February 16

Wicket329 said:

Chuck_Finley said:
“It’s permanent content” -
Seeing this thrown around like it’s a trump card. Like all Everest content, there comes a point where the rewards become irrelevant due natural game progression. That’s a built in timeframe that can’t be escaped. Given the rewards in these challenges- the rewards are almost to that point already.

So the “permanent content” remarks only matter to people who can’t stand having something unfinished in the game- which by and large aren’t the people voicing concerns.
In Necropolis first and now with these challenges, Kabam has done a good job of future-proofing the rewards for several years. In Necropolis, the most valuable rewards that will remain relevant long into the future are the Launch Pool Selector, both versions of Maestro, the class specific crystals, and most valuable of all, the extra Mastery point. The Maestro and mastery point are especially valuable because they are and will be unique to Necropolis forever.

Kabam Crashed has already stated on the forums that it will likely be several years before these three champions will be accessible through any means other than this set of Carina’s Challenges, and he’s specifically the guy in charge of what 7* champs become available. If you want one of these champs, then the rewards are and will be valuable. If you don’t care about them, then the rewards are already bad and you can skip it.

So, yeah, it’s permanent content that will retain its value for at least two years. That’s pretty damn good when compared to the usefulness of other older content.

Locking 3 7* champs behind content for years when we have ascended 6 star versions available is not enticing for 99.99% of the player base.

Wicket329 · February 16

Chuck_Finley said:

Wicket329 said:

Chuck_Finley said:
“It’s permanent content” -
Seeing this thrown around like it’s a trump card. Like all Everest content, there comes a point where the rewards become irrelevant due natural game progression. That’s a built in timeframe that can’t be escaped. Given the rewards in these challenges- the rewards are almost to that point already.

So the “permanent content” remarks only matter to people who can’t stand having something unfinished in the game- which by and large aren’t the people voicing concerns.
In Necropolis first and now with these challenges, Kabam has done a good job of future-proofing the rewards for several years. In Necropolis, the most valuable rewards that will remain relevant long into the future are the Launch Pool Selector, both versions of Maestro, the class specific crystals, and most valuable of all, the extra Mastery point. The Maestro and mastery point are especially valuable because they are and will be unique to Necropolis forever.

Kabam Crashed has already stated on the forums that it will likely be several years before these three champions will be accessible through any means other than this set of Carina’s Challenges, and he’s specifically the guy in charge of what 7* champs become available. If you want one of these champs, then the rewards are and will be valuable. If you don’t care about them, then the rewards are already bad and you can skip it.

So, yeah, it’s permanent content that will retain its value for at least two years. That’s pretty damn good when compared to the usefulness of other older content.
Locking 3 7* champs behind content for years when we have ascended 6 star versions available is not enticing for 99.99% of the player base.

Then this content is not targeted at them today. As I said, it will retain its value, but if you don’t think it has value to begin with, then there’s not much to retain.

Personally, I’m very excited at the idea of having a guaranteed method of getting and awakening a 7* champion that I love. I still haven’t 100% decided which one I’ll take, but that’s part of the fun for me.

Plantesan · February 16

Demonzfyre said:

ra_wr said:

not his entire response. just the one paragraph i have screenshotted.

what stash of potions and revives are you mentioning? back to back to back everest content IS fun, but damaging to our stash of revives and potions we may or may not have. ESPECIALLY due to the removal or grinding potions and revives, AND not receiving a heads up about this content way in advance (2-4 weeks in advance).

also, designing content not to be made itemless is a vague statement. what are you designing content off of? content like this should be made on the basis of "doable WITHOUT an abundance of revives and potions IF skilled enough" if your designing content that is intentionally made for the user to revive constantly, then i want no part of that and im sure many of us wouldnt want to be either.
You're mad because he says use some items?

I could be wrong on this, but I’m going to guess it was more how it was presented/reads? *as in it could potentially sound condescending to some folks* 🤷‍♂️

hmm.. i like these new carinas challenges.. but this response from kabam miike is distasteful.

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