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Doesn’t anyone who designs game content like WoW Abs-Man actually test it before releasing it?
This one form of content has done more brand damage to this game than anything since version 12 nerfs.
When a game loses its fun, its enjoyment and content starts making players mad with rage then something is seriously wrong with that game.
(I made a video about my WoW experience and it’s had over 100 comments from various players ranging in progression level and age and they are really pissed off with this particular design of content).
Lagacy's are fun and enjoyable. Your zemo one is fun and enjoyable. Classic threat is boring, but doable.
Fintech's however is just a cash grab.
I understand releasing this type of content here and there but if that's all we're getting the rest of the year I'll probably just quit and come back next year. Can I do this type of content? Absolutely, however it feels more like a chore to me and I absolutely hate that, it's not fun for me personally.
We'll see, I hope they listened to all the Abs Man feedback as well as the feedback for these challenges, wouldn't make sense to make every single fight unbearable and stressful for the rest of the year when so many people hate this type of content.
You consistently derail threads.
Then pretend you don’t.
You seem quite angry a lot of the time, I hope you feel better soon.
I want to preface this with the fact that I usually love challenging content. I loved necropolis and created one of the first guides for exploration, I even liked the abyss carina challenges and thought they were fun, and I really like Lagacy's carina challenge design too. Hell, I'm one of the nutters who did the Winter of woe absorbing man robot challenge and actually enjoyed it with my r1 guilly. I really do like challenge content, as do many of my friends in this game, so I think it's fair to say that this content is geared towards a player exactly like me.
I have two main problems though with this kind of content:
1. These challenges are not possible to do itemlessly. I've always said that a good challenge should be tough but fair. Necro was possible to do revive-less, as was the winter of woe objectives etc. But some of these challenges are pretty much impossible to do itemlessly, and seeing even the best players having revive counters in the double digits just feels like an item drain for no reason such as the incredibly annoying 4 star labyrinth carina's challenges (the only ones that I didn't do).
2. Fintech and your challenges require very specific teams/champions ranked at pretty much the highest level. This is a game with tons of champions to choose from so restricting players to just one champion that they may not even like just feels a bit crazy to me. Personally with the avengers ones I actually like playing most of the champions on that team as I stated previously, but I really hate playing mojo. Plus, I don't have a 7 star version (even though I spent money on the valentines sales for him) so I now have to rank up my 6 star to r5 to even be able to do this challenge with a somewhat reasonable revive counter and I don't even like playing him. That is a terrible feeling tbh. It's the same story with baron zemo.
And the main problem with all this is that the rewards do not justify the rank up costs of all these champions. I know Kabam is responsible for the rewards, but once you heard they were, frankly terrible especially in comparison to necropolis and winter of woe, both of which seem to be easier than these challenges, surely you could have toned down the difficulty a bit. Or at least we should be given back the resources spent to rank up these champions via rewards from the other challenges. Kabam Miike stated that these were designed for the top 1% of players but it's actually the top 0.001% which seems kind of silly to me.
If that’s the case, then it’s premature and not well-founded. Premature because we haven’t seen what the other fights are going to look like yet, and so to have such a dramatic response to a hypothetical is insane. Not well founded because in Kabam’s announcement about the #Robot issue and other pain points around the Abs Man fight, the reason given for not adjusting energy usage yet is because other upcoming fights are not expected to be as difficult as this one and they want to see how the energy cost works when the fight isn’t so punishing.
To be super clear, I’m not defending the energy cost. But that statement should tell people that Kabam is expecting future fights to require fewer attempts than Abs Man has.
I’d also, once again, point out that 1) the Carina’s Challenges are permanent and so it shouldn’t matter when they were released (I know that psychologically this player base sees shiny and must have shiny, but maybe don’t come after the people who made it when shiny is hard to get), and 2) the Carina’s Challenge rewards aren’t even anything game changing. S2099, Sparky, and Masacre are good, fun champs, but they aren’t gonna make or break anybody’s experience. The rewards here aren’t getting anybody over the line to Valiant. These champs will have exactly the same value in a year or two as they do now, you don’t need to rush this content while trying to do WoW. It can wait.
If someone puts Cyclops in a challenge that doesn't mean we force eveyone to take him as perfect counter for say havok on the path or call him the best for the challenge.
EOP was released when R4 champs were the top of the food chain, and even then they weren’t super abundant. I mostly used R3 champs for those fights, but R4s where I could. I’d recommend at least an R4 for the nature of the challenge. But beyond that is, again, a personal decision.
These challenges don’t *require* those rank ups. It’s just a decision you have to make whether you’d rather spend revives or materials. The difference between an R1 and an R3 is massive, obviously, but the difference between an R3 and R4? Not nearly so overwhelming. Throw some boosts at an R3 and you’ll be just as comfortable.
Similarly, we did the EOP original carina challenges with r3s but could use juggs and other great champs. Now all we have is a stupid mojo who I hate playing, and as a consequence of that am not good with him. No player would be able to get through the EOP challenge within a reasonable number of revives using a r3 6 star mojo.
I am tired of people using the classic line: "you're not who this content is targeting". It's being used to counter to literally every player who has a grievance with these challenges including swedeah who is one of the best players at this game. And I am exactly who this challenge is targeting, but I don't want to do them because the rewards to effort/spend ratio is abysmal. I have 3 r3 7 stars, and a massive roster, not to mention I would consider myself skilled as I have beaten the biggest accounts in bgs like magus/usafa and the best players like beroman.
It’s of course personal choice to rank them up higher than r3 just like it’s a personal choice to even do these challenges but I don’t think the narrative that at r3, you can as easily accomplish this challenge as with the best counters for gauntlet at r3 is just false.
My comment about who the content was targeting was not meant to be directed at you as an individual. Gotta love English not differentiating between you in the singular or plural. I meant that in the sense of “if you are not at the point in the game where R3 materials are abundant, then you still have room to go before these challenges are relevant to you.” You, as an individual, are obviously at that point. But somebody who is still struggling to build out their roster, like the person I describe in the quotes above, isn’t.
I think the champs that I’d recommend taking to R4 or higher for this series of challenges would be Mojo, Tigra, and Zemo, with Jabari getting an honorable mention. She doesn’t really have to do the fights, she’s just an optional, so she could be fine at R3 or not ranked at all and just used for the synergy. But BW, Thor, Iron Man, Ant Man, and Hawkeye could all do their part at just R3 if needed. Rank Iron Man higher though, he’s so good and you won’t regret it.
I’m probably gonna run BW and Antman at R3, but I’m playing with the idea of taking Thor to R4 just for the combat power rate against Vision. Antman would go up if he didn’t exist as a 7* already, I actually rate him really highly. And, I can’t believe I’m saying this, I luckily have an awakened 7* Hawkeye. Iron Man’s already R5 and has been since his buff because he rules.
Same kind of idea for Zemo. Doable at R3 without revive farming, but you’ll still want to go in with a full inventory just in case. R4 is definitely more comfortable, and I’ll be taking him up to at least that, maybe even R5 because I’ve been needing to rank up a skill champ and Zemo is very good on both sides of the line.
But no, you’re 100% right that it won’t be “as easy” with a team of non-optimal R3 champs as it was with the best champs in the game.
Again, game changing or not it's still a 7* selector with champs that aren't in the basic or Titan pool, it's a meaningful reward. Locking them behind content almost nobody likes doing is dumb. I understand you enjoy this type of content but 90% of the playerbase does not, why are we getting so much of this content lately? It makes absolutely no sense.
Again, this isn't about rushing or not, I could rank up Tigra and Jabari and do the whole thing this month if I wanted to. It's the fact that the content is frustrating and boring, which you seem to like for some weird reason.
It is also worth pointing out that OG Black Widow, at max sig, has what is arguably the strongest version of the strongest and most broken ability (defensive ability accuracy reduction) in the entire game. Better than Falcon's. Better than Black Cat's. Better than Crossbones'. She shuts down 80% of everything that can ever happen when you strike the opponent. Up to 95% against Science champions. As long as the opponent isn't inherently immune to ability accuracy reduction or there's a node that makes them so.
That's absolutely bananas. If she punished all of those failed effects similar to how Black Cat does it, she would probably be overpowered. There's no build-up, no cooldown, no reliance on buffs or debuffs. She just doesn't care what the defender throws at her.
This doesn't make her a god-tier champion since she lacks in other areas, but it does make her a very interesting champion to build a challenge around.
When it comes to champion restrictions, well, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet. But that has always been the case. I remember ranking up a bunch of X-Men champions for a Carina's Challenge a few years ago. Just like now, I only ranked them up as far as I was comfortable given my resources and then boosted up to make up the difference. In the end, it was actually kind of fun to use them. Hopefully that'll be the same now that I rank up these Avengers champions.
I'm already eyeing my 7* Ant-Man as a potential rank-up. While I'm perhaps not the biggest fan of him on attack, he's really proven his worth on Battlegrounds defense since he just slows down my opponents with his incessant glancing. I was considering ranking him up even before these challenges came into the game, and would have already done so if r2 resources were just a little bit more available. (Same with Jabari, for that matter.)
As for Falcon, I consider his cooldown a massive downside. For 8 seconds every 24 seconds, you have absolutely no safety net and have to dance around while you wait for the cooldown to end. Meanwhile, OGBW can just keep up her DAAR indefinitely.
I'm not saying she's a better champion than Falcon. Or Black Cat, or Crossbones. She's obviously not. All I'm saying is that as soon as you've sig'd her up, she doesn't have to do anything to activate her DAAR. Every other champion needs to activate it somehow and then it either undoubtably falls off at some point (Falcon) or it risks falling off at some point (Crossbones and Black Cat). Having between 80 and 95% DAAR from the first second of the fight to the last without having to do something is insane. There's a reason why every other champion with a similar ability has an asterisk next to it of some kind.
It’s ok to say that black widow is suitable for the challenge and you will do it but to claim she is superior to the other champs you have listed is just not true. I am not sure why you and few others want to push this narrative that BW is this great champ. She is not. She is just a champ that’s needed to complete the challenge and that’s the end of it.
When I say that she has arguably the best DAAR in the game, I'm simply talking about how that one mechanic works in an otherwise terribly unimpressive kit. All other DAAR champions have better kits and are therefore much better champions in general, but they have to work for that DAAR much harder than OGBW needs to.
With that in mind, let's revisit what I said in my initial comment: Simply put, she does one single thing extremely well. That one thing does however allow her to take on some of the most difficult fights in the game, despite her simultaneously being among the worst overall champions in the game. I find that to be an interesting aspect to build a challenge around. Before people dismiss the challenge as just having to run through the Gauntlet with thrash champions, I think it's very important to point out that this single piece of utility she has is specifically supposed to get you through some of the hardest fights in the challenge.
Black widow og is the best daar champ in the game, better then cb, black cat nd falcon. But black widow is useless in other fields.
Just like we say vision is better than nimrod in power control. But nimrod is way better than vision as a overall champ
But you're right, black widow og is not worthy of rankup nd sig outside of these challenges