karatemike's challenges recap , i find it actually the most well designed

Jack2634 · February 23

Well, i might get hated a lot for saying this, but i have just finished both avengers(3r4 high sig, hawkeye and zemo(r5, unascended) in under 50 rev combined (31 and 18 respectively). And that number is because i am terrible and fked up a lot. Zemo literally have a way to deal with every single bosses. Literally no boss should take you 3 or more revive if played perfectly .

Btw, thank you a lot @Karatemike415 , i got this beautiful dude from completing your challenges. And as i did it in 17 revives only (terrax, sgwen, korg, domino, ibom, apoc, void take 1 each) (vis, dragonman 2 each) and sassy + killmonger 3 each, rest are solo, i hope you will buy me a drink if we somehow meet each other irl lol

MaskedLegend · February 23

I honestly agree. It definitely looks harder then it actually is. Did both his challenges on monday and i thoroughly enjoyed them!

Gamer · February 23

Jack2634 said:
Well, i might get hated a lot for saying this, but i have just finished both avengers(3r4 high sig, hawkeye and zemo(r5, unascended) in under 50 rev combined (31 and 18 respectively). And that number is because i am terrible and fked up a lot. Zemo literally have a way to deal with every single bosses. Literally no boss should take you 3 or more revive if played perfectly .

Btw, thank you a lot @Karatemike415 , i got this beautiful dude from completing your challenges. And as i did it in 17 revives only (terrax, sgwen, korg, domino, ibom, apoc, void take 1 each) (vis, dragonman 2 each) and sassy + killmonger 3 each, rest are solo, i hope you will buy me a drink if we somehow meet each other irl lol

no hate from me my skills is hating one you not doing it becasse dont understand zemo haha and need way more skil then i have

Gogi · February 23

smdam38 said:
If you have a high ranked Zemo?
So it’s still character specific?

Like other challenges have been.. Whats your point?

AcidBurn404 · February 23

Juggernaut will change ur life trust me.

AcidBurn404 · February 23

Jack2634 said:
Well, i might get hated a lot for saying this, but i have just finished both avengers(3r4 high sig, hawkeye and zemo(r5, unascended) in under 50 rev combined (31 and 18 respectively). And that number is because i am terrible and fked up a lot. Zemo literally have a way to deal with every single bosses. Literally no boss should take you 3 or more revive if played perfectly .

Btw, thank you a lot @Karatemike415 , i got this beautiful dude from completing your challenges. And as i did it in 17 revives only (terrax, sgwen, korg, domino, ibom, apoc, void take 1 each) (vis, dragonman 2 each) and sassy + killmonger 3 each, rest are solo, i hope you will buy me a drink if we somehow meet each other irl lol

No only i can buy karatemike a drink. Mike loves ibom.( i'm sure you do too

Polygon · February 23

Jack2634 said:
Well, i might get hated a lot for saying this, but i have just finished both avengers(3r4 high sig, hawkeye and zemo(r5, unascended) in under 50 rev combined (31 and 18 respectively). And that number is because i am terrible and fked up a lot. Zemo literally have a way to deal with every single bosses. Literally no boss should take you 3 or more revive if played perfectly .

Btw, thank you a lot @Karatemike415 , i got this beautiful dude from completing your challenges. And as i did it in 17 revives only (terrax, sgwen, korg, domino, ibom, apoc, void take 1 each) (vis, dragonman 2 each) and sassy + killmonger 3 each, rest are solo, i hope you will buy me a drink if we somehow meet each other irl lol

The issue is nobody wants to r5 Zemo, and the challenge almost makes you feel forced to.

With the avengers challenge, its not as critical as its not like 1 single champ has to do every fight, the fights are shared and even team revives are valuable here. Hell, someone even told me rank 3 6*’s work for the avengers challenge.

Not to mention, what if youre missing the 5* version of Zemo? His arena isnt out for months. You could hope to pull him from 5* dual crystals, but youre just throwing iso from other classes down the drain, and you need that iso for other WoW / Carina challenges .

Fyi, These aren’t really questions for you more like flaws in the design of the challenge

Finalfuryk · February 23

Polygon said:

Jack2634 said:
Well, i might get hated a lot for saying this, but i have just finished both avengers(3r4 high sig, hawkeye and zemo(r5, unascended) in under 50 rev combined (31 and 18 respectively). And that number is because i am terrible and fked up a lot. Zemo literally have a way to deal with every single bosses. Literally no boss should take you 3 or more revive if played perfectly .

Btw, thank you a lot @Karatemike415 , i got this beautiful dude from completing your challenges. And as i did it in 17 revives only (terrax, sgwen, korg, domino, ibom, apoc, void take 1 each) (vis, dragonman 2 each) and sassy + killmonger 3 each, rest are solo, i hope you will buy me a drink if we somehow meet each other irl lol

The issue is nobody wants to r5 Zemo, and the challenge almost makes you feel forced to.

With the avengers challenge, its not as critical as its not like 1 single champ has to do every fight, the fights are shared and even team revives are valuable here. Hell, someone even told me rank 3 6*’s work for the avengers challenge.

Not to mention, what if youre missing the 5* version of Zemo? His arena isnt out for months. You could hope to pull him from 5* dual crystals, but youre just throwing iso from other classes down the drain, and you need that iso for other WoW / Carina challenges .

Fyi, These aren’t really questions for you more like flaws in the design of the challenge

Speak for yourself. Zemo was rank 5 for me pretty early compared to my other champs.

Zemo seems like a fair champ to do this with. You were given a free Zemo at Cyber Week so a lot of people looking to do this challenge would have the six star. You could also not have one or more of the Avengers. It's okay to have to open crystals to get champs especially for high level summoners. Not having a five star is much less of a barrier than not having a six star.

CyborgNinja135 · February 23

smdam38 said:
If you have a high ranked Zemo?
So it’s still character specific?

Like every other Carina challenge before it

Ironman3000 · February 23

How many of the 6 chams were at R1 and had to be ranked and sig'd?

Savage123456789 · February 23

You are still ignoring a pain point of this challenge that makes it worse than it seems. But that's not on Mike, that's on Kabam. Mike designed the challenge, Kabam are responsible for rewards distribution

A_Fungi · February 23

I am building up to do this, Avengers are first (Zemo is already R4, R5 is a big investment)

Getting all these avengers up to at least R3, some R4 is taking lots of catalysts though.

Hoping for a 7 star Ironman from the valentine crystal. 6 is R3. Just got Thor to R4, BW up to sig 200 and R3. Have a sig 40 7R1 hawkeye.

Antman is lagging behind right now... just running out of catalysts lol

Have team revives expiring in 9 days... guess I'll be spending all my different store currencies

SirGamesBond · February 23

Done with tigra R5a, jabari 6r3 Fun
Next is mojo 7r1, 6r4 200, then

Going to finish this week
6r3 200 widow
6r3 200 thor
6r3 60 Hawkeye
6r3 60 antman
6r3 100 IM

6r3 140(atm) Zemo
5r5a 200 Zemo
Willing to dump items if I don't have to upgrade Zemo. Have saved 30% boosts.

Milan1405 · February 23

SirGamesBond said:
Done with tigra R5a, jabari 6r3 Fun
Next is mojo 7r1, 6r4 200, then

Going to finish this week
6r3 200 widow
6r3 200 thor
6r3 60 Hawkeye
6r3 60 antman
6r3 100 IM

6r3 140(atm) Zemo
5r5a 200 Zemo
Willing to dump items if I don't have to upgrade Zemo. Have saved 30% boosts.

I think doing the challenge with a team of R3 is very brave. I would highly suggest you R4+ some of them for the more tricky fights like vision (stupid rng fiesta on how much damage you do before getting SP3ed) or sassy where you'll take a lot of damage. Also void you can take a lot of damage for example so it's advisable to have higher ranked hawkeye if you intend to use him. I'm personally going to take all to R4 or higher and then I should be able to have a decent run with minimal item cost.

Crcrcrc · February 23

smdam38 said:
If you have a high ranked Zemo?
So it’s still character specific?

un excuse me sir thronebreakers don’t get to weigh in on paragon challenges

Wicket329 · February 23

Milan1405 said:

SirGamesBond said:
Done with tigra R5a, jabari 6r3 Fun
Next is mojo 7r1, 6r4 200, then

Going to finish this week
6r3 200 widow
6r3 200 thor
6r3 60 Hawkeye
6r3 60 antman
6r3 100 IM

6r3 140(atm) Zemo
5r5a 200 Zemo
Willing to dump items if I don't have to upgrade Zemo. Have saved 30% boosts.
I think doing the challenge with a team of R3 is very brave. I would highly suggest you R4+ some of them for the more tricky fights like vision (stupid rng fiesta on how much damage you do before getting SP3ed) or sassy where you'll take a lot of damage. Also void you can take a lot of damage for example so it's advisable to have higher ranked hawkeye if you intend to use him. I'm personally going to take all to R4 or higher and then I should be able to have a decent run with minimal item cost.

Yeah, the 30% boosts will make up a lot of ground between the r3 and r4, but the main concern I’d have is combat power rate, especially with that Vision. I saw Karatemike manage to get the solo with a very lucky stun lock play which the extra power that the r4 gets helped to make possible. But if you’re not too worried about solos and would rather spend revives and boosts than rank up materials, then I think r3 is a very reasonable approach.

Milan1405 · February 23

Wicket329 said:

Milan1405 said:

SirGamesBond said:
Done with tigra R5a, jabari 6r3 Fun
Next is mojo 7r1, 6r4 200, then

Going to finish this week
6r3 200 widow
6r3 200 thor
6r3 60 Hawkeye
6r3 60 antman
6r3 100 IM

6r3 140(atm) Zemo
5r5a 200 Zemo
Willing to dump items if I don't have to upgrade Zemo. Have saved 30% boosts.
I think doing the challenge with a team of R3 is very brave. I would highly suggest you R4+ some of them for the more tricky fights like vision (stupid rng fiesta on how much damage you do before getting SP3ed) or sassy where you'll take a lot of damage. Also void you can take a lot of damage for example so it's advisable to have higher ranked hawkeye if you intend to use him. I'm personally going to take all to R4 or higher and then I should be able to have a decent run with minimal item cost.
Yeah, the 30% boosts will make up a lot of ground between the r3 and r4, but the main concern I’d have is combat power rate, especially with that Vision. I saw Karatemike manage to get the solo with a very lucky stun lock play which the extra power that the r4 gets helped to make possible. But if you’re not too worried about solos and would rather spend revives and boosts than rank up materials, then I think r3 is a very reasonable approach.

At the end of the day, these challenges are designed for endgame players, and R4 materials drop like candy for us so it's no big deal. But yeah sig200 is more important that high rank for thor and bw

Pikolu · February 23

Wicket329 said:

Milan1405 said:

SirGamesBond said:
Done with tigra R5a, jabari 6r3 Fun
Next is mojo 7r1, 6r4 200, then

Going to finish this week
6r3 200 widow
6r3 200 thor
6r3 60 Hawkeye
6r3 60 antman
6r3 100 IM

6r3 140(atm) Zemo
5r5a 200 Zemo
Willing to dump items if I don't have to upgrade Zemo. Have saved 30% boosts.
I think doing the challenge with a team of R3 is very brave. I would highly suggest you R4+ some of them for the more tricky fights like vision (stupid rng fiesta on how much damage you do before getting SP3ed) or sassy where you'll take a lot of damage. Also void you can take a lot of damage for example so it's advisable to have higher ranked hawkeye if you intend to use him. I'm personally going to take all to R4 or higher and then I should be able to have a decent run with minimal item cost.
Yeah, the 30% boosts will make up a lot of ground between the r3 and r4, but the main concern I’d have is combat power rate, especially with that Vision. I saw Karatemike manage to get the solo with a very lucky stun lock play which the extra power that the r4 gets helped to make possible. But if you’re not too worried about solos and would rather spend revives and boosts than rank up materials, then I think r3 is a very reasonable approach.

That's where the cosmic power back boost comes into play.

Bugmat78 · February 23

SirGamesBond said:
Done with tigra R5a, jabari 6r3 Fun
Next is mojo 7r1, 6r4 200, then

Going to finish this week
6r3 200 widow
6r3 200 thor
6r3 60 Hawkeye
6r3 60 antman
6r3 100 IM

6r3 140(atm) Zemo
5r5a 200 Zemo
Willing to dump items if I don't have to upgrade Zemo. Have saved 30% boosts.

Cost of items revives/units for that tigra/jabari run?

ChriissR · February 23

His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂

Milan1405 · February 23

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂

Carina's volume 2 wasn't terrible, it was actually fairly doable overall and we also had massive revive farming, instead of the apothecary. Carina's volume 1, however, is simply awful in every way, and shouldn't be used as a comparison to make any other content seem good.

I do agree that Mike's challenges are not as bad as Fintechs (which are too difficult and specific) but I think Mike's avengers challenge is actually a decent idea in theory, but I am speaking as an endgame player with all those champs at sig 200 and I can rank 4 them quite easily, as well as 7 star Iron man and hawkeye, both duped, so I completely understand if most players feel the rewards do not justify doing them. However, that isn't Mike's fault - if we got 15k 7 star shards, 5k titan shards and a R1-2 gem I think it would be seen as a fair challenge.

However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

For example, I don't really like playing antman or black widow, so I'll just use them where absolutely necessary and then use iron man, thor and hawkeye for all other possible fights, and I really enjoy playing all of them. That seems fair enough to me. But I don't get KarateMike's reasoning that: "allowing players to bring a team of this champion of x other champion(s) wouldn't fit the theme of carina challenges". Yes, they have always been specific, but I do think there is such a thing as 'too specific'. I really don't see anything wrong with a challenge saying use either a team containing only baron zemo or a team containing some other specific champion.

However, I am much more looking forwards to having a crack at Mike's challenges (I believe the avenegers one should be possible in theory to even do with zero revives if you have the champions at the correct rank and some luck) than Fintech's ones. The Mojo one in particular seems miserable and the tigra one that requires a decently high ranked Jabari panther if I'm not lucky enough to get her as a 7 star and then will not only R5 and ascend my tigra, but also have to learn how to play her well which takes a lot of time and effort, in order to even be able to consider doing said challenge in under 20 revives.

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.

CyborgNinja135 · February 23

Milan1405 said:

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.

Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.

Karatemike415 · February 23

Karatemike415 · February 23

Jack2634 said:
Well, i might get hated a lot for saying this, but i have just finished both in under 50 rev combined (31 and 18 respectively). And that number is because i am terrible and fked up a lot. Zemo literally have a way to deal with every single bosses. Literally no boss should take you 3 or more revive if played perfectly .

Btw, thank you a lot @Karatemike415 , i got this beautiful dude from completing your challenges. I hope you will buy me a drink if we somehow meet each other irl lol

Come to Brawl next time it happens - not only will I buy you a drink, but two whole slices of pizza as well 🍻

Awesome work, my man!! Absolutely love to see it.

captain_rogers · February 23

CyborgNinja135 said:

Milan1405 said:

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.
Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.

Ranking up a 5* vs Rankin up a 6* has it's differences bud.

CyborgNinja135 · February 23

captain_rogers said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

Milan1405 said:

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.
Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.
Ranking up a 5* vs Rankin up a 6* has it's differences bud.

A 6* R4 Zemo can handle the challenge with no issues, bud. R4 mats can be obtained easily nowadays

Milan1405 · February 23

CyborgNinja135 said:

Milan1405 said:

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.
Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.

R5/ascending a 6 star is very different from maxing out a 5 star mate. Also the revive counter is much less rng reliant. The defender you face with stark spidey are all 'fair' but dragonman with zemo require you to be insanely lucky just to get it done in 3 revives. MSD played very well, but the AI wasn't cooperating so it took him 6 revives which I have an issue with. Equally I don't really like the vision fight as you just have to pray he doesn't use an SP3.

Finally as I said, what makes Mike's challenges bad, mainly is the rewards to effort ratio. As I've said numerous times, this is NOT his fault. If it offered a 7 star plus some titan shards, 7star 1-2 gem etc that would feel fair and more people would think ranking these champs is reasonable and probably have a decent time.

Milan1405 · February 23

CyborgNinja135 said:

captain_rogers said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

Milan1405 said:

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.
Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.
Ranking up a 5* vs Rankin up a 6* has it's differences bud.
A 6* R4 Zemo can handle the challenge with no issues, bud. R4 mats can be obtained easily nowadays

Really? How many revives did a R4 zemo run cost?

CyborgNinja135 · February 23

Milan1405 said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

captain_rogers said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

Milan1405 said:

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.
Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.
Ranking up a 5* vs Rankin up a 6* has it's differences bud.
A 6* R4 Zemo can handle the challenge with no issues, bud. R4 mats can be obtained easily nowadays
Really? How many revives did a R4 zemo run cost?

Couldn't tell ya cause I haven't attempted it yet myself. That said, Zemo can solo many of the fights in Gauntlet if you focus. We're talking about a quest that came out when 6* R3's were the strongest champs available to players.

I did an initial pass last week to familiarize myself. Out of the 9 fights I took with Zemo he soloed 8 of them. Only had to revive him on Dragon Man because that is one he cannot solo. Took me 4 revives because his combat power rate go too high. I must admit the AI was very cooperative with me. However, 4 revives for a fight that is BS whether you use Zemo or not is completely fine. There will be fights where you need to revive and that's not a bad thing, but the majority of the fights in Gauntlet can be soloed by Zemo. If you're afraid the R4 might be too squishy, you can use boosts.

Milan1405 · February 23

CyborgNinja135 said:

Milan1405 said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

captain_rogers said:

CyborgNinja135 said:

Milan1405 said:

ChriissR said:
His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.
Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.
Ranking up a 5* vs Rankin up a 6* has it's differences bud.
A 6* R4 Zemo can handle the challenge with no issues, bud. R4 mats can be obtained easily nowadays
Really? How many revives did a R4 zemo run cost?
Couldn't tell ya cause I haven't attempted it yet myself. That said, Zemo can solo many of the fights in Gauntlet if you focus. We're talking about a quest that came out when 6* R3's were the strongest champs available to players.

I did an initial pass last week to familiarize myself. Out of the 9 fights I took with Zemo he soloed 8 of them. Only had to revive him on Dragon Man because that is one he cannot solo. Took me 4 revives because his combat power rate go too high. I must admit the AI was very cooperative with me. However, 4 revives for a fight that is BS whether you use Zemo or not is completely fine. There will be fights where you need to revive and that's not a bad thing, but the majority of the fights in Gauntlet can be soloed by Zemo. If you're afraid the R4 might be too squishy, you can use boosts.

Mine's R5 and ascended so I'll be fine. But I was talking about for the rest of the community, as most people can't just R5 and ascend willy-nilly. The dragonman fight is a big part of why I don't like the challenge with zemo as there's no skill involved, just blind luck. Using a R4 on that bugger could be very painful.

Karatemike415 · February 23

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His challenges were never even that bad. People really just needed someone to complain about. Fintech definitely has the hardest challenges. People really forget how awful Carinas Vol 1 & 2 were 😂
However, I disagree with design philosophy of his other challenge which requires a highly ranked Zemo. I R5ed and ascended my zemo so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad for me if I skill up with him. But I really don't like challenges that force you to use 1 singular champion, because if you don't like playing them (which is completely understandable in a game with 200+ champions) is it really fair to ask someone to rank them up highly and possibly ascend them to do a challenge that they will do worse at anyway because they don't even like playing them?

Lagacy, you smashed it out the park though mate.
Lagacy's challenge also forces you to use only one champion. You praise one challenge and then bash the other one, yet the design philosophy is the same. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

I don't really enjoy using Stark Spidey. Does that mean the challenge is poorly designed? Not at all. Zemo can handle every single fight in gauntlet with careful play so I don't think it is fair to say that the challenge is bad. Completing LOL with a team of 4* or beating the Collector with only a 3* Cyclops... now that is a badly designed challenge.
Ranking up a 5* vs Rankin up a 6* has it's differences bud.
A 6* R4 Zemo can handle the challenge with no issues, bud. R4 mats can be obtained easily nowadays
Really? How many revives did a R4 zemo run cost?
Couldn't tell ya cause I haven't attempted it yet myself. That said, Zemo can solo many of the fights in Gauntlet if you focus. We're talking about a quest that came out when 6* R3's were the strongest champs available to players.

I did an initial pass last week to familiarize myself. Out of the 9 fights I took with Zemo he soloed 8 of them. Only had to revive him on Dragon Man because that is one he cannot solo. Took me 4 revives because his combat power rate go too high. I must admit the AI was very cooperative with me. However, 4 revives for a fight that is BS whether you use Zemo or not is completely fine. There will be fights where you need to revive and that's not a bad thing, but the majority of the fights in Gauntlet can be soloed by Zemo. If you're afraid the R4 might be too squishy, you can use boosts.
The dragonman fight is a big part of why I don't like the challenge with zemo as there's no skill involved, just blind luck.

I disagree here - he could decide to hold his specials for sure like he could against anyone, but AI manipulation & playing in the corner are both pretty important skills to develop, imo.

Plus, him being Stun Immune opens the door to parry & stack Furies for a mega Special 3.

karatemike's challenges recap , i find it actually the most well designed

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