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Misleading daily magic heist timer

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    ThecurlerThecurler Posts: 864 ★★★★
    Given the ambiguity around the event, it would be a nice gesture if Kabam allowed a grace day or two for those who missed out.
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    ChiliDogChiliDog Posts: 886 ★★★

    Hey OP,

    This is just the start of Sagas, and while it may not be the best start for some, there's still so much more to come!

    I think you mean....
    The neverending saga continues...
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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 90
    Milan1405 said:

    arifin74 said:

    I think some players got confused because

    1. Just saw the 4-5 gem, but did not care to get clarified how to get them. Probably the gem is not that important
    2. Knew its daily objective, logged in daily, but have other important quest to do, so checked on timer, ignored it. Probably the gem is not that important.
    3. Compared with side quest/daily objective/ gold track where each task is different and stacking is somewhat possible. But did not compared with battleground objectives where each is task same and do not stack ( does not make sense to stack), exactly like this heist objectives.
    There can be logic and counter logic for 20days timer. But having a 4-5 gem for just to log in and doing 6 fights, and you still missed it, you did not care enough.
    What?? Your post makes no sense. There is no "logic and counter logic"; the timer simply displayed incorrect information and many summoners were, understandably, unaware of this.

    The OP and many other players clearly do care about this 4-5 gem; that's why this thread was made and has so many responses!
    Point 3 is more than enough
    As he said, it would make absolutely zero sense to stack these objectives
    It’s obvious that the point of adding daily objectives to the game is to keep players engaged in the content daily, if these objectives stacked you could just complete everything at the end in 3 fights, so it doesn’t make sense to be able to stack them

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    Graves_3Graves_3 Posts: 1,356 ★★★★★
    Folkvangr said:

    Milan1405 said:

    arifin74 said:

    I think some players got confused because

    1. Just saw the 4-5 gem, but did not care to get clarified how to get them. Probably the gem is not that important
    2. Knew its daily objective, logged in daily, but have other important quest to do, so checked on timer, ignored it. Probably the gem is not that important.
    3. Compared with side quest/daily objective/ gold track where each task is different and stacking is somewhat possible. But did not compared with battleground objectives where each is task same and do not stack ( does not make sense to stack), exactly like this heist objectives.
    There can be logic and counter logic for 20days timer. But having a 4-5 gem for just to log in and doing 6 fights, and you still missed it, you did not care enough.
    What?? Your post makes no sense. There is no "logic and counter logic"; the timer simply displayed incorrect information and many summoners were, understandably, unaware of this.

    The OP and many other players clearly do care about this 4-5 gem; that's why this thread was made and has so many responses!
    Point 3 is more than enough
    As he said, it would make absolutely zero sense to stack these objectives
    It’s obvious that the point of adding daily objectives to the game is to keep players engaged in the content daily, if these objectives stacked you could just complete everything at the end in 3 fights, so it doesn’t make sense to be able to stack them

    If we are trying to make sense, it also doesn’t make absolutely any sense as to why the daily objective timer was set at 21 days. It should have been 24hrs and you get a new objective the next day.
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    Milan1405Milan1405 Posts: 952 ★★★★
    Folkvangr said:

    Milan1405 said:

    arifin74 said:

    I think some players got confused because

    1. Just saw the 4-5 gem, but did not care to get clarified how to get them. Probably the gem is not that important
    2. Knew its daily objective, logged in daily, but have other important quest to do, so checked on timer, ignored it. Probably the gem is not that important.
    3. Compared with side quest/daily objective/ gold track where each task is different and stacking is somewhat possible. But did not compared with battleground objectives where each is task same and do not stack ( does not make sense to stack), exactly like this heist objectives.
    There can be logic and counter logic for 20days timer. But having a 4-5 gem for just to log in and doing 6 fights, and you still missed it, you did not care enough.
    What?? Your post makes no sense. There is no "logic and counter logic"; the timer simply displayed incorrect information and many summoners were, understandably, unaware of this.

    The OP and many other players clearly do care about this 4-5 gem; that's why this thread was made and has so many responses!
    Point 3 is more than enough
    As he said, it would make absolutely zero sense to stack these objectives
    It’s obvious that the point of adding daily objectives to the game is to keep players engaged in the content daily, if these objectives stacked you could just complete everything at the end in 3 fights, so it doesn’t make sense to be able to stack them

    It doesn't matter "if it made sense not to stack the objectives" or not. Point is, the timer indicated that the objective would remain for 20 days. From this information, many players made a wholly reasonable deduction that these objectives worked in the same way as other 'weekly' side event/special objectives that appear each week but often last for the whole month (until the side event is over) and therefore did stack. Why would they automatically assume the objectives worked in the same way that battlegrounds objectives did? That is a completely different gamemode, so I completely disagree with your point.
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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 90
    Graves_3 said:

    Folkvangr said:

    Milan1405 said:

    arifin74 said:

    I think some players got confused because

    1. Just saw the 4-5 gem, but did not care to get clarified how to get them. Probably the gem is not that important
    2. Knew its daily objective, logged in daily, but have other important quest to do, so checked on timer, ignored it. Probably the gem is not that important.
    3. Compared with side quest/daily objective/ gold track where each task is different and stacking is somewhat possible. But did not compared with battleground objectives where each is task same and do not stack ( does not make sense to stack), exactly like this heist objectives.
    There can be logic and counter logic for 20days timer. But having a 4-5 gem for just to log in and doing 6 fights, and you still missed it, you did not care enough.
    What?? Your post makes no sense. There is no "logic and counter logic"; the timer simply displayed incorrect information and many summoners were, understandably, unaware of this.

    The OP and many other players clearly do care about this 4-5 gem; that's why this thread was made and has so many responses!
    Point 3 is more than enough
    As he said, it would make absolutely zero sense to stack these objectives
    It’s obvious that the point of adding daily objectives to the game is to keep players engaged in the content daily, if these objectives stacked you could just complete everything at the end in 3 fights, so it doesn’t make sense to be able to stack them

    If we are trying to make sense, it also doesn’t make absolutely any sense as to why the daily objective timer was set at 21 days. It should have been 24hrs and you get a new objective the next day.
    It does make sense, that’s how time limited objectives work
    They stay until the time ends, or until you complete them

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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 90
    Milan1405 said:

    Folkvangr said:

    Milan1405 said:

    arifin74 said:

    I think some players got confused because

    1. Just saw the 4-5 gem, but did not care to get clarified how to get them. Probably the gem is not that important
    2. Knew its daily objective, logged in daily, but have other important quest to do, so checked on timer, ignored it. Probably the gem is not that important.
    3. Compared with side quest/daily objective/ gold track where each task is different and stacking is somewhat possible. But did not compared with battleground objectives where each is task same and do not stack ( does not make sense to stack), exactly like this heist objectives.
    There can be logic and counter logic for 20days timer. But having a 4-5 gem for just to log in and doing 6 fights, and you still missed it, you did not care enough.
    What?? Your post makes no sense. There is no "logic and counter logic"; the timer simply displayed incorrect information and many summoners were, understandably, unaware of this.

    The OP and many other players clearly do care about this 4-5 gem; that's why this thread was made and has so many responses!
    Point 3 is more than enough
    As he said, it would make absolutely zero sense to stack these objectives
    It’s obvious that the point of adding daily objectives to the game is to keep players engaged in the content daily, if these objectives stacked you could just complete everything at the end in 3 fights, so it doesn’t make sense to be able to stack them

    It doesn't matter "if it made sense not to stack the objectives" or not. Point is, the timer indicated that the objective would remain for 20 days. From this information, many players made a wholly reasonable deduction that these objectives worked in the same way as other 'weekly' side event/special objectives that appear each week but often last for the whole month (until the side event is over) and therefore did stack. Why would they automatically assume the objectives worked in the same way that battlegrounds objectives did? That is a completely different gamemode, so I completely disagree with your point.
    That’s why people shouldn’t assume or deduce things, if you don’t know how it works, just complete the objective, it doesn’t take you more than 5 min
    If you value the reward, don’t leave everything until the last moment, the event even has a grace day, so if people checked the objective the second day, they would have noticed that it doesn’t stack
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    Toproller89Toproller89 Posts: 620 ★★★
    Supersha7 said:

    Hi kabam,

    Just wanted to say that the timer on the daily (24hr) challenge is EXTREMELY misleading. When you look at the timer, and compare it to others similar, it looks like you have 21 days to complete ALL the challenges.

    I, as well as others in my alliance, assumed that a new challenge would appear daily, with a new timer. So (foolishly perhaps) we decided to let them build up and then do them all over the weekend. When we checked on the weekend, there was no additional challenges, so we completed the challenge, and only then did it reveal the 24hr countdown for the challenge refresh.

    Please can this be amended so it simply says 24hrs for the time, and then the challenge will auto reset , rather than have 21 days on it (now 16).

    Having seen it so late, some in the alliance, we can only get 32 pts and will miss out on on the rk 4-5 gem simply due to misunderstanding and assuming that the timer was accurate. When actually it wasn’t.

    A challenge that has the possibility to reset every 24 hours, should have a 24 hr timer to inform users that they need to complete every 24 hrs. If there’s any way to add any bonus challenge points to make up for this that would be amazing. But we understand that you may not feel it’s warranted or it may not be possible.

    Thanks

    Just do your 6 fights everyday and you won't miss anything
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    Nameless_monsterNameless_monster Posts: 25
    well i also thought they stacked but decided to not take the risk so did them daily and i am glad i did that
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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 90
    Josh2507 said:

    Argue and defend this all you want

    The very existence of this thread shows that there is a problem with the current structure of these objectives

    Argue and complain all you want
    A mod already said they have no plans to change the event or give points to whoever missed them

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    ahmynutsahmynuts Posts: 6,541 ★★★★★
    And thread closed in 3... 2...
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    Supersha7Supersha7 Posts: 193 ★★
    edited March 6
    if we could compare to the bg challenge timer, seeing as it’s back up now, it’s well worth a comparison, as that may help people understand why some were misled.

    when you look at the bg challenge timer to compare, there is no timer linked to the bg event. So why put one on the daily challenge?

    in addition, the bg challenge timer CLEARLY states, it refreshes every 48 hrs.

    These two factors make a big difference when one is clicking through the challenges to see what needs doing.

    So the bg challenge timer

    1) does NOT have an event timer on it (or indeed any timer) otherwise they’d be a 30 day timer on it. If it did, I’d hope they’d put a 2 day timer on it.
    2) states EXACTLY how long the refresh is of the challenge.
    3) when you complete, the remaining time on the refresh timer appears.




    compared to the daily timer

    1) does have an event timer on it (21 days).
    2) apart from the word daily, does NOT specifically let the summoner know exactly what the refresh is on the challenge, not any detail on stacking challenges as we’ve done in the past.
    3) when you complete, the remaining time on the refresh timer appears.




    Any of the following two options would have made it better:

    If they’d have removed the timer from it, it probably would have been better, as people wouldn’t have assumed they have 21 days to complete. They’d refer to the word “daily” and possibly look into it further, rather than assume timeframes based on the misleading timer.

    If they’d have kept the 21 day timer but also put “refreshes every 24 hrs” also, that would have helped summoners realise that it’s only this specific challenge that is available, and that it refreshes every 24 hrs, so get it done.

    And if they’d have done this, it would have been ideal:

    Put a live 24 hr countdown on the challenge
    Wrote in the description “this challenge resets and refreshes every 24hrs - it doesn’t not stack - do not miss it!”

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    Supersha7Supersha7 Posts: 193 ★★
    Here we go. Photoshopped :)


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    ArocPart2ArocPart2 Posts: 16

    Hey OP,

    The timer is for the event itself. I'm sorry that this may have confused you and some others. This is the same way timers are used in other areas and for other events. They are called Daily Objectives because they are meant to be completed Daily, much like our Dual Track events.

    I will be discussing clarifying this somehow, but we do not have any plans to make any changes to the event or give out any missed points. The objective of this event was to encourage players to log in every day and play, and to reward those that do just that. This is just the start of Sagas, and while it may not be the best start for some, there's still so much more to come!

    Rare Kabam Miike W
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    MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Posts: 4,444 ★★★★★
    edited March 7
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    Skydad23Skydad23 Posts: 549 ★★★
    Supersha7 said:

    Hi kabam,

    Just wanted to say that the timer on the daily (24hr) challenge is EXTREMELY misleading. When you look at the timer, and compare it to others similar, it looks like you have 21 days to complete ALL the challenges.

    I, as well as others in my alliance, assumed that a new challenge would appear daily, with a new timer. So (foolishly perhaps) we decided to let them build up and then do them all over the weekend. When we checked on the weekend, there was no additional challenges, so we completed the challenge, and only then did it reveal the 24hr countdown for the challenge refresh.

    Please can this be amended so it simply says 24hrs for the time, and then the challenge will auto reset , rather than have 21 days on it (now 16).

    Having seen it so late, some in the alliance, we can only get 32 pts and will miss out on on the rk 4-5 gem simply due to misunderstanding and assuming that the timer was accurate. When actually it wasn’t.

    A challenge that has the possibility to reset every 24 hours, should have a 24 hr timer to inform users that they need to complete every 24 hrs. If there’s any way to add any bonus challenge points to make up for this that would be amazing. But we understand that you may not feel it’s warranted or it may not be possible.

    Thanks


    I agree with you completely I thought the same same exact thing why would they choose to do it this way? Very very strange.
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    Skydad23Skydad23 Posts: 549 ★★★
    edited March 7
    Supersha7 said:

    The word daily isn’t a 24 timer.

    A 24hr timer is a 24 hr timer.

    That timer appears when you complete the challenge.

    It should be present and immediately visible.

    There is no need at all for a 21 day timer on the daily challenge page, as it’s present on the reward structure already.

    The word daily suggests that the challenge will be daily, but doesn’t suggest anything about recurrence or expiration without an accurate timer attached. So one could expect that a daily challenge with 21 day expiry, would be followed by another daily challenge with 20 day expiry and so on, until the event ends.

    A daily challenge with a 24 hr timer suggests that the daily challenge will expire in 24 hrs

    The word daily implies we will get one daily the amount of days timer above it implies you will have that many days to do it. Like dozens and dozens of other things challenges and objectives they’ve added that stack why would anyone not think this was going to stack? Like claiming daily tickets and different things. it’s obvious that it could be confused never have they displayed something like this.

    In the simple fact that something is valuable as a 4 to 5 rank up is attached to it should make it all that more imperative to make it clear on how to get it. To put something so valuable in a format that has not been done that is not very clearly stated strange

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