**WE ARE NO LONGER Temporarily Reverting Tier 1 War Ban System**

After further discussion, the game team has made the decision not make adjustements to the ban system.
The previously proposed fix would have resolved the issue for Summoners who are on the cusp of T1/T2 play, and negatively impacted Alliances more securely in T1. Instead, we recommend that cusp Alliances switch to Manual Placement to your members to place the allotted 5 Ban Champions limit there.

Apologies for the back and forth, and for any confusion.
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PriyabrataPriyabrata Posts: 1,061 ★★★★
This is about Titans , so if you're not interested this is your cue to leave.
7* Aquisition has been different, and might I add, better than 6* aquisition. Instead of going the usual route with basics and featured , we have different crystals that help us Target a specific pool of champs.
Each of these Crystals serves a purpose and the purpose of TITAN crystals was to help players get their hand on the newest bunch of 7* s.
Then explain to me WHY THE ACTUAL HECK DO WE HAVE OLDER CHAMPS IN THAT CRYSTAL??.
Yes I know, if it's all newer champs the pool would be smaller maybe rotate slower but damn no one wants the crystal they spent 3-6 months to acquire be an older champs that does NOTHING.
I would much rather have a smaller pool of only new champs than a bigger one with Arena fodder in them.
Now this poses another problem, "Where do we introduce older champs as 7*s then?"
Jeez I don't know man, but the 6 month aquisition period crystal is definitely NOT the place to do it.
Titans are different from Featured, so maybe try something different with them instead of making them glorified Featureds
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    kingjphilipkingjphilip Posts: 46
    Title is a bit of an understatement
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    ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Posts: 3,785 ★★★★★
    Not sure about old champs in general cause I do think we need old champs in the Titan just like any featured. I do however think these crystals shouldn't contain old garbage like Thing or Sorcerer Supreme since it takes months of hoarding to get just one.
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    PriyabrataPriyabrata Posts: 1,061 ★★★★
    edited March 15

    Title is a bit of an understatement

    Seems like it
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    Ansh_AAnsh_A Posts: 535 ★★★
    Agree with OP.

    A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.
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    G-Hun-GearG-Hun-Gear Posts: 1,447 ★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    This post is brought to you by Jabari pullers 💀

    And this guy:

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    Chuck_FinleyChuck_Finley Posts: 901 ★★★★★
    I have only ever opened one and that was Colossus. Jabari horror stories further my disinclination to chase Titan shards. Been playing long enough to know CEO luck doesn’t ever hit my account so who cares?
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    Ansh_AAnsh_A Posts: 535 ★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Ansh_A said:

    Agree with OP.

    A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.

    Nah, a huge point of the 7* release method has been to shine a light on champs who had been eclipsed by “top tier old champs.” If 7* Herc, Magneto, Doom, Kitty Pryde, Tigra, Kingpin, etc., were in there, they’d be the only things anybody pursued.

    Instead, people are getting excited over champions like Angela, Sunspot, Chavez, Shuri, Hulkbuster, etc., and I think that shows how successful this method has been.
    The point is titan crystals are very hard to get. Most people are getting one in 3-6.months. Not asking for the champions you listed but if we look at already released champs then i would put Shuri, Warlock, Titania, Hulk, Shang Chi, Mantis, Adam Warlock, Knull, Hyperion in there. Basically, champs who have been top 5 in tier lists in the last 3 years.

    That way Angela, Sunspot, Hulkbuster, Chavez, etc. would still get priority in basic.

    A classic example is Shuri and Hulk. Shuri has been instrumental in finishing Necropolis and Hulk was crucial in the recent WoW Abs Man fight. If both had been hidden behind the titan crystal, it would even the odds of those people who are unlucky because only highly skilled or high paying or both players have opened multiple titans at this stage.
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    PriyabrataPriyabrata Posts: 1,061 ★★★★
    edited March 15
    Wicket329 said:

    Ansh_A said:

    Agree with OP.

    A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.

    Nah, a huge point of the 7* release method has been to shine a light on champs who had been eclipsed by “top tier old champs.” If 7* Herc, Magneto, Doom, Kitty Pryde, Tigra, Kingpin, etc., were in there, they’d be the only things anybody pursued.

    Instead, people are getting excited over champions like Angela, Sunspot, Chavez, Shuri, Hulkbuster, etc., and I think that shows how successful this method has been.
    I don't think we need to shine light on jabari and thing if I'm being completely honest, listen there's a difference between older champs and a bunch of useless trash, idc what anyone says thing and janari are doing absolutely NOTHING for anyone, the only thing jabari is relevant for is that challenge Fin put out
    Her purify is NOT UNIQUE and Cheelith is better
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    PriyabrataPriyabrata Posts: 1,061 ★★★★
    edited March 15
    Also you people are acting like they can't do multiple small pool loyalty or Incursions crystals for these champs , listen older champs that are relevant are fine but Outdated trash in the most valuable crystal in the game is not
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    GMAX77GMAX77 Posts: 512 ★★★
    I appreciate the sincerity of the original post so please take this as a genuine question. While I acknowledge that in this game, there are some champs which are more effective than others which champs in the crystal are "trash"? Yes...I would far rather pull an Onslaught than say someone like Colossus, but Colossus still has his uses in the game.
    (And for the reference, if you feel Thing is doing nothing for anyone, then you are missing out on a fun Science attacker who I've used as a 6 star, albeit max sig, for a very long time)
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    PriyabrataPriyabrata Posts: 1,061 ★★★★
    edited March 15
    GMAX77 said:

    I appreciate the sincerity of the original post so please take this as a genuine question. While I acknowledge that in this game, there are some champs which are more effective than others which champs in the crystal are "trash"? Yes...I would far rather pull an Onslaught than say someone like Colossus, but Colossus still has his uses in the game.
    (And for the reference, if you feel Thing is doing nothing for anyone, then you are missing out on a fun Science attacker who I've used as a 6 star, albeit max sig, for a very long time)

    I might have gone a little overboard with the trash comment but I have a 6* thing too, pretty high sig I even had him 5* ascended before I pulled the 6* and took him up. The problem is he's in the same position like SPOT HE NEEDS VERY HIGH SIG but Spot is arguably better even unawakened.
    I'm getting sidetracked, but what I wanted to say is a low sig or unawakened thing is doing absolutely nothing for anyone's account everyone will be using the 6* one. These champs that have their uses but their main attraction is locked behind their sigs and putting those champs in the titan is not the right move, thing would fit right into the incursions crystals with namor and Angela
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    Wicket329Wicket329 Posts: 3,166 ★★★★★

    Wicket329 said:

    Ansh_A said:

    Agree with OP.

    A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.

    Nah, a huge point of the 7* release method has been to shine a light on champs who had been eclipsed by “top tier old champs.” If 7* Herc, Magneto, Doom, Kitty Pryde, Tigra, Kingpin, etc., were in there, they’d be the only things anybody pursued.

    Instead, people are getting excited over champions like Angela, Sunspot, Chavez, Shuri, Hulkbuster, etc., and I think that shows how successful this method has been.
    I don't think we need to shine light on jabari and thing if I'm being completely honest, listen there's a difference between older champs and a bunch of useless trash, idc what anyone says thing and janari are doing absolutely NOTHING for anyone, the only thing jabari is relevant for is that challenge Fin put out
    Her purify is NOT UNIQUE and Cheelith is better
    Fundamentally untrue, my R2 Jabari was a mainstay of my T1 war attack team throughout the last tactic, she does great work for me in BGs on both sides of the line (people constantly lose track of her cleanse and eat a combo, thinking they parried), and she’s a great questing champ. The problem is that people take their opinions from YouTube and the forums rather than testing these champions out and finding where they fit in your roster.

    Your argument about champs like Thing who want to be high sig for their best use is better taken, but still lacks nuance. Consider Thing’s scaling:



    He actually gets a *lot* of his potency early on in his sig climb. At sig 40 (which is one dupe and some sig stones, which you’ll have from both Saga content and Winter of Woe payouts), he can get ~72% damage reduction from his sig. That’s still *very* potent, and with the increased stats you may find it actually outperforming the 6* sig 200 counterpart sooner than expected.

    I totally get not being excited to pull Thing from a Titan crystal. I wouldn’t be thrilled, compared to what I could have pulled. But I mean, can’t dupe a champ without pulling them first. And Thing is a great champ to invest sig stones into (especially the Saga ones), so I’d argue he’s not as bad as he’s being made out to be on first impression.
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    ForumerForumer Posts: 100 ★★
    Forumer said:

    Nah, OP is lowkey right imo. These crystals are way too rare to have as much fluff in them as they do. Nobody wants to beat Necro or finish Winter of Woe just to pull a Jabari Panther or smthn.



    See like why the hell is she in here :(
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    Wicket329Wicket329 Posts: 3,166 ★★★★★
    Forumer said:

    Forumer said:

    Nah, OP is lowkey right imo. These crystals are way too rare to have as much fluff in them as they do. Nobody wants to beat Necro or finish Winter of Woe just to pull a Jabari Panther or smthn.



    See like why the hell is she in here :(
    Sersi is a great champ what are you even talking about. @Pikolu this guy’s playing your song
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    ForumerForumer Posts: 100 ★★
    Sersi is a great champ what are you even talking about. @Pikolu this guy’s playing your song

    She’s good for a basic not titan. The titan generally has very high end old champs (warlock, Shang chi etc.) and then the new champs. Sersi is okay and a good defender, but she’s not a high end cosmic or anything.
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    ForumerForumer Posts: 100 ★★
    My point is, these crystals are super rare: you get one and a half from fully exploring Necro, the hardest content in the game. You get an eighth of one for exploring 8.3. A fourth for completing the entire 7 for 7 Carina’s. A fourth of one per Odin on cyber Monday. One for completing the entire Winter of Woe.

    The power of the titan crystal doesn’t match its rarity IMO; rn it has new champs with some weird mix of mid and high end champs. Why not just make it new and high end champs only? With the small amount of titan shards we get, why shouldn’t each pull feel somewhat rewarding? For example, how can I hate on pulling a Warlock or Shang Chi from a Titan? Even if they’re not new, they’re powerful champs that would be 9-10/10 in the basic pool. Champs like that should be in the titan imo.
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    PikoluPikolu Posts: 6,936 Guardian
    Forumer said:

    Forumer said:

    Nah, OP is lowkey right imo. These crystals are way too rare to have as much fluff in them as they do. Nobody wants to beat Necro or finish Winter of Woe just to pull a Jabari Panther or smthn.



    See like why the hell is she in here :(
    Why do the noobs get all the good luck?
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    FrostGiantLordFrostGiantLord Posts: 1,793 ★★★★
    OP, the Titan crystal isn't meant to give out good champs 100% of the time, the chance of getting new or meta champs is just increased. The bad champs in the crystal is just the trade-off for all the good ones
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    UsagicassidyUsagicassidy Posts: 1,106 ★★★★

    OP, the Titan crystal isn't meant to give out good champs 100% of the time, the chance of getting new or meta champs is just increased. The bad champs in the crystal is just the trade-off for all the good ones

    And also, their purpose of the Titan Crystal is for a "first chance at new 7 star champions". The Titan Crystal is, for the most part, how 7*s are being introduced into the roster. And then over time they rotate into the basic pool and more 7*s get added to the Titan.
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    ForumerForumer Posts: 100 ★★
    edited March 21
    @DNA3000

    Well then I’d argue that the goal of the titan crystal should be changed. As of now, the Titan crystal is clearly relatively more expensive and valuable than the 7* basic (just like 6* shards are relatively more expensive and valuable than 5* shards). Given that the crystal is so rare and expensive, I don’t see the harm in making the crystal have 0/20 mid champs rather than the current ~4/20 mid champs.

    And as stated above, most of the champions in the crystal ARE elite. There are just a few that aren’t, and it would really suck to get one of those few. So why have them? Just send them to the base pool!

    EDIT: oh, and Kabam themselves have given the impression that this crystal is way better than a basic.

    1. They let players vote for champs they wanted to be in the OG Titan pool (and they were powerful champs too).

    2. On CM, the Paragon Odin had 5k titan and a full 7*. This clearly implies that the titan is way more valuable AND expensive than the basic. If it was just about limiting the amount of draws, they could’ve made an Odin with a titan instead of a 7* with a purchase limit of 1 (maybe just in the Webstore).
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    DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,958 Guardian
    Forumer said:

    EDIT: oh, and Kabam themselves have given the impression that this crystal is way better than a basic.

    It is better, for targeting. But that's why I said "backwards." The crystal is better for targeting, so if you want to target a champion in the crystal it is more valuable. But the reverse argument is faulty, that the crystal is valuable, so if it doesn't contain the champs I think are valuable it is defective. The intent of the crystal is to provide opportunity, not to satisfy your own personal wish list.
    Forumer said:

    Well then I’d argue that the goal of the titan crystal should be changed.

    Have fun. Who do you intend to make that argument to?
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    DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,958 Guardian
    Forumer said:

    Well then I’d argue that the goal of the titan crystal should be changed.

    Although, as completely fruitless as I think that would be, I should state that objectively that's the proper line of thought. A lot of people simply refuse to accept that the developers have reasons for doing the things they do. They dismiss them, or simply straight up ignore them and argue for what they want, even if it contradicts the developer intent. The thing is, the developers are never going to act against their intentions. They can be convinced that someone else's ideas better implement those intentions, they can be convinced their own implementation choices fails to implement their intentions, but they are never going to just say well, we intend this, but this guy really really really wants something totally different, so let's do that instead. No one does that.

    If you want the Titan crystal to be something totally different, you will have to find a line of argument that proposes a completely new purpose to the existence of that crystal, and a reason why the developers should abandon their own intentions for it and adopt yours instead. Because until they change their minds about what the Titan should be, they aren't going to change it to completely contradict what they think it should be.

    Again, I don't think there's a high chance of succeeding there. It is just higher than the zero percent change most people have simply demanding the crystal get cheaper or have the pools curated into a wish list because "its stupid" if it isn't. No one responds to such arguments, ever.
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