Might be controversial

This is about Titans , so if you're not interested this is your cue to leave.
7* Aquisition has been different, and might I add, better than 6* aquisition. Instead of going the usual route with basics and featured , we have different crystals that help us Target a specific pool of champs.
Each of these Crystals serves a purpose and the purpose of TITAN crystals was to help players get their hand on the newest bunch of 7* s.
Then explain to me WHY THE ACTUAL HECK DO WE HAVE OLDER CHAMPS IN THAT CRYSTAL??.
Yes I know, if it's all newer champs the pool would be smaller maybe rotate slower but damn no one wants the crystal they spent 3-6 months to acquire be an older champs that does NOTHING.
I would much rather have a smaller pool of only new champs than a bigger one with Arena fodder in them.
Now this poses another problem, "Where do we introduce older champs as 7*s then?"
Jeez I don't know man, but the 6 month aquisition period crystal is definitely NOT the place to do it.
Titans are different from Featured, so maybe try something different with them instead of making them glorified Featureds

Comments

Buttehrs

Then you misunderstood what the titan crystal was for

CyborgNinja135

Newest bunch of 7* are those that were not available in that rarity before

kingjphilip

Title is a bit of an understatement

Forumer

Nah, OP is lowkey right imo. These crystals are way too rare to have as much fluff in them as they do. Nobody wants to beat Necro or finish Winter of Woe just to pull a Jabari Panther or smthn.

Nightheart

Did you pull Jabari Panther from your titan crystal?

ItsClobberinTime

Not sure about old champs in general cause I do think we need old champs in the Titan just like any featured. I do however think these crystals shouldn't contain old garbage like Thing or Sorcerer Supreme since it takes months of hoarding to get just one.

Priyabrata

Did you pull Jabari Panther from your titan crystal?

Even worse

I'M KIDDING, I absolutely love her playstyle she has so much utility and damage
But the people that pulled jabari , put in the same effort for that crystal. And that just doesn't sit right with me. It's one thing if you pull a new dud but atleast it's still a new champ but an old champ that is severely outdated and barely does anything? Those champs shouldn't even be considered to be put in a titan

Priyabrata

Title is a bit of an understatement

Seems like it

Ansh_A

Agree with OP.

A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.

PT_99

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G-Hun-Gear

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And this guy:

Chuck_Finley

I have only ever opened one and that was Colossus. Jabari horror stories further my disinclination to chase Titan shards. Been playing long enough to know CEO luck doesn’t ever hit my account so who cares?

Wicket329

Agree with OP.

A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.

Nah, a huge point of the 7* release method has been to shine a light on champs who had been eclipsed by “top tier old champs.” If 7* Herc, Magneto, Doom, Kitty Pryde, Tigra, Kingpin, etc., were in there, they’d be the only things anybody pursued.

Instead, people are getting excited over champions like Angela, Sunspot, Chavez, Shuri, Hulkbuster, etc., and I think that shows how successful this method has been.

Ansh_A

Agree with OP.

A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.
Nah, a huge point of the 7* release method has been to shine a light on champs who had been eclipsed by “top tier old champs.” If 7* Herc, Magneto, Doom, Kitty Pryde, Tigra, Kingpin, etc., were in there, they’d be the only things anybody pursued.

Instead, people are getting excited over champions like Angela, Sunspot, Chavez, Shuri, Hulkbuster, etc., and I think that shows how successful this method has been.

The point is titan crystals are very hard to get. Most people are getting one in 3-6.months. Not asking for the champions you listed but if we look at already released champs then i would put Shuri, Warlock, Titania, Hulk, Shang Chi, Mantis, Adam Warlock, Knull, Hyperion in there. Basically, champs who have been top 5 in tier lists in the last 3 years.

That way Angela, Sunspot, Hulkbuster, Chavez, etc. would still get priority in basic.

A classic example is Shuri and Hulk. Shuri has been instrumental in finishing Necropolis and Hulk was crucial in the recent WoW Abs Man fight. If both had been hidden behind the titan crystal, it would even the odds of those people who are unlucky because only highly skilled or high paying or both players have opened multiple titans at this stage.

Priyabrata

Agree with OP.

A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.
Nah, a huge point of the 7* release method has been to shine a light on champs who had been eclipsed by “top tier old champs.” If 7* Herc, Magneto, Doom, Kitty Pryde, Tigra, Kingpin, etc., were in there, they’d be the only things anybody pursued.

Instead, people are getting excited over champions like Angela, Sunspot, Chavez, Shuri, Hulkbuster, etc., and I think that shows how successful this method has been.

I don't think we need to shine light on jabari and thing if I'm being completely honest, listen there's a difference between older champs and a bunch of useless trash, idc what anyone says thing and janari are doing absolutely NOTHING for anyone, the only thing jabari is relevant for is that challenge Fin put out
Her purify is NOT UNIQUE and Cheelith is better

Priyabrata

Also you people are acting like they can't do multiple small pool loyalty or Incursions crystals for these champs , listen older champs that are relevant are fine but Outdated trash in the most valuable crystal in the game is not

GMAX77

I appreciate the sincerity of the original post so please take this as a genuine question. While I acknowledge that in this game, there are some champs which are more effective than others which champs in the crystal are "trash"? Yes...I would far rather pull an Onslaught than say someone like Colossus, but Colossus still has his uses in the game.
(And for the reference, if you feel Thing is doing nothing for anyone, then you are missing out on a fun Science attacker who I've used as a 6 star, albeit max sig, for a very long time)

Priyabrata

I appreciate the sincerity of the original post so please take this as a genuine question. While I acknowledge that in this game, there are some champs which are more effective than others which champs in the crystal are "trash"? Yes...I would far rather pull an Onslaught than say someone like Colossus, but Colossus still has his uses in the game.
(And for the reference, if you feel Thing is doing nothing for anyone, then you are missing out on a fun Science attacker who I've used as a 6 star, albeit max sig, for a very long time)

I might have gone a little overboard with the trash comment but I have a 6* thing too, pretty high sig I even had him 5* ascended before I pulled the 6* and took him up. The problem is he's in the same position like SPOT HE NEEDS VERY HIGH SIG but Spot is arguably better even unawakened.
I'm getting sidetracked, but what I wanted to say is a low sig or unawakened thing is doing absolutely nothing for anyone's account everyone will be using the 6* one. These champs that have their uses but their main attraction is locked behind their sigs and putting those champs in the titan is not the right move, thing would fit right into the incursions crystals with namor and Angela

Wicket329

Agree with OP.

A better option would have been releasing 7* versions of old champs in basic and releasing 7* versions of top tier old champs in titan along with the newest one. That way the best 7*s are still locked behind a difficult to get crystal and the middle to lower tier older champs benefit from being constantly pulled in the 7* basic and see more gameplay.
Nah, a huge point of the 7* release method has been to shine a light on champs who had been eclipsed by “top tier old champs.” If 7* Herc, Magneto, Doom, Kitty Pryde, Tigra, Kingpin, etc., were in there, they’d be the only things anybody pursued.

Instead, people are getting excited over champions like Angela, Sunspot, Chavez, Shuri, Hulkbuster, etc., and I think that shows how successful this method has been.
I don't think we need to shine light on jabari and thing if I'm being completely honest, listen there's a difference between older champs and a bunch of useless trash, idc what anyone says thing and janari are doing absolutely NOTHING for anyone, the only thing jabari is relevant for is that challenge Fin put out
Her purify is NOT UNIQUE and Cheelith is better

Fundamentally untrue, my R2 Jabari was a mainstay of my T1 war attack team throughout the last tactic, she does great work for me in BGs on both sides of the line (people constantly lose track of her cleanse and eat a combo, thinking they parried), and she’s a great questing champ. The problem is that people take their opinions from YouTube and the forums rather than testing these champions out and finding where they fit in your roster.

Your argument about champs like Thing who want to be high sig for their best use is better taken, but still lacks nuance. Consider Thing’s scaling:

He actually gets a *lot* of his potency early on in his sig climb. At sig 40 (which is one dupe and some sig stones, which you’ll have from both Saga content and Winter of Woe payouts), he can get ~72% damage reduction from his sig. That’s still *very* potent, and with the increased stats you may find it actually outperforming the 6* sig 200 counterpart sooner than expected.

I totally get not being excited to pull Thing from a Titan crystal. I wouldn’t be thrilled, compared to what I could have pulled. But I mean, can’t dupe a champ without pulling them first. And Thing is a great champ to invest sig stones into (especially the Saga ones), so I’d argue he’s not as bad as he’s being made out to be on first impression.

Forumer

Nah, OP is lowkey right imo. These crystals are way too rare to have as much fluff in them as they do. Nobody wants to beat Necro or finish Winter of Woe just to pull a Jabari Panther or smthn.

See like why the hell is she in here

Wicket329

Nah, OP is lowkey right imo. These crystals are way too rare to have as much fluff in them as they do. Nobody wants to beat Necro or finish Winter of Woe just to pull a Jabari Panther or smthn.

See like why the hell is she in here

Sersi is a great champ what are you even talking about. @Pikolu this guy’s playing your song

Forumer

Sersi is a great champ what are you even talking about. @Pikolu this guy’s playing your song

She’s good for a basic not titan. The titan generally has very high end old champs (warlock, Shang chi etc.) and then the new champs. Sersi is okay and a good defender, but she’s not a high end cosmic or anything.

Forumer

My point is, these crystals are super rare: you get one and a half from fully exploring Necro, the hardest content in the game. You get an eighth of one for exploring 8.3. A fourth for completing the entire 7 for 7 Carina’s. A fourth of one per Odin on cyber Monday. One for completing the entire Winter of Woe.

The power of the titan crystal doesn’t match its rarity IMO; rn it has new champs with some weird mix of mid and high end champs. Why not just make it new and high end champs only? With the small amount of titan shards we get, why shouldn’t each pull feel somewhat rewarding? For example, how can I hate on pulling a Warlock or Shang Chi from a Titan? Even if they’re not new, they’re powerful champs that would be 9-10/10 in the basic pool. Champs like that should be in the titan imo.

Pikolu

Nah, OP is lowkey right imo. These crystals are way too rare to have as much fluff in them as they do. Nobody wants to beat Necro or finish Winter of Woe just to pull a Jabari Panther or smthn.

See like why the hell is she in here

Why do the noobs get all the good luck?

DNA3000

My point is, these crystals are super rare: you get one and a half from fully exploring Necro, the hardest content in the game. You get an eighth of one for exploring 8.3. A fourth for completing the entire 7 for 7 Carina’s. A fourth of one per Odin on cyber Monday. One for completing the entire Winter of Woe.

The power of the titan crystal doesn’t match its rarity IMO; rn it has new champs with some weird mix of mid and high end champs. Why not just make it new and high end champs only? With the small amount of titan shards we get, why shouldn’t each pull feel somewhat rewarding? For example, how can I hate on pulling a Warlock or Shang Chi from a Titan? Even if they’re not new, they’re powerful champs that would be 9-10/10 in the basic pool. Champs like that should be in the titan imo.

As Buttehrs said right from the start of the thread, you don't understand why the crystal exists.

People keep saying that the Titan is a "valuable" crystal and so its contents should reflect that, but that's completely backwards. The Titan is a less available crystal, deliberately so. But it isn't "more valuable" in the sense of being more expensive than basic crystals. In fact, Titan crystals cannot be bought with 7* shards at all so there is no exchange rate between Titans and 7* Basics per se.

The whole idea behind Titan crystals was to correct a problem with all previous rarities and how their "featured" crystals worked. The original idea behind featured crystals was to offer a chance at getting new champs early. Just a chance. But the original 5* Featured crystal was very quickly exploited to change it from being a chance at the new champ to practically a guarantee at the new champs, by simply saving 5* shards. Players could trade many basic drops for somewhat less shots at the featured, and the ~20% chance to drop the featured champ could easily be converted into a better than 90% chance to get that champ right off the bat. That was not intended. Kabam specifically did away with that crystal and replaced it with the 24 champ featured specifically to address that problem.

But even the 24 champ featured crystal could be similarly exploited, because Kabam also wanted to increase the availability of shards to parallel the increase in the number of champs in the basic pool. But because both crystals are acquired with the same shard currency, any attempt to allow players to open more basics also allows them to open more featureds, once again turning a crystal whose intent is to offer a chance at new champs early into an almost guarantee of getting most or all of them practically the day the crystal updates.

The Titan crystal is an attempt to attack the problem at its source. Kabam can now make 7* shards as plentiful as they want to, because players cannot use them to directly buy Titan crystals. Titan crystal availability is now far more constrained, and as a result it can do what it was meant to do: offer a chance at newer champs earlier, but just a chance. It is intentional that players cannot open enough of them to specifically target the champs they want, or even just all the newer release champs as a group.

The Titan is not meant to be a crystal that only contains the most sought after champs in the game. That would mean that every single pull was a jackpot for the player, and that is not the intent. The intent is for that crystal to offer a chance a newer champs, but just a chance. And no matter how hard you try to chase Titans, you will never be able to open so many of them that you can basically guarantee always getting what you want. And the pool is never going to be curated to be only a wish-list of champs that everyone has at the top of their chase list.

The Titan is not some guaranteed winning lottery ticket. The Titan is an opportunity to pull a champ from a smaller pool of champs than the basic pool. It is what the previous featured crystal was supposed to be, and even what the original featured crystal was supposed to be. The point to the crystal is to make it a crystal that doesn't share a currency with the basic crystal, so that the number of opportunities you have to open it is strictly limited compared to basic crystals. That limitation is there not to say "this is the most valuable crystal in the game, so you only get a few of them." It is to say "this crystal has a better chance to control outcomes because it has a smaller pool, so you will only be allowed to throw a limited number of darts at it."

FrostGiantLord

OP, the Titan crystal isn't meant to give out good champs 100% of the time, the chance of getting new or meta champs is just increased. The bad champs in the crystal is just the trade-off for all the good ones

Usagicassidy

OP, the Titan crystal isn't meant to give out good champs 100% of the time, the chance of getting new or meta champs is just increased. The bad champs in the crystal is just the trade-off for all the good ones

And also, their purpose of the Titan Crystal is for a "first chance at new 7 star champions". The Titan Crystal is, for the most part, how 7*s are being introduced into the roster. And then over time they rotate into the basic pool and more 7*s get added to the Titan.

Forumer

@DNA3000

Well then I’d argue that the goal of the titan crystal should be changed. As of now, the Titan crystal is clearly relatively more expensive and valuable than the 7* basic (just like 6* shards are relatively more expensive and valuable than 5* shards). Given that the crystal is so rare and expensive, I don’t see the harm in making the crystal have 0/20 mid champs rather than the current ~4/20 mid champs.

And as stated above, most of the champions in the crystal ARE elite. There are just a few that aren’t, and it would really suck to get one of those few. So why have them? Just send them to the base pool!

EDIT: oh, and Kabam themselves have given the impression that this crystal is way better than a basic.

1. They let players vote for champs they wanted to be in the OG Titan pool (and they were powerful champs too).

2. On CM, the Paragon Odin had 5k titan and a full 7*. This clearly implies that the titan is way more valuable AND expensive than the basic. If it was just about limiting the amount of draws, they could’ve made an Odin with a titan instead of a 7* with a purchase limit of 1 (maybe just in the Webstore).

DNA3000

EDIT: oh, and Kabam themselves have given the impression that this crystal is way better than a basic.

It is better, for targeting. But that's why I said "backwards." The crystal is better for targeting, so if you want to target a champion in the crystal it is more valuable. But the reverse argument is faulty, that the crystal is valuable, so if it doesn't contain the champs I think are valuable it is defective. The intent of the crystal is to provide opportunity, not to satisfy your own personal wish list.

Well then I’d argue that the goal of the titan crystal should be changed.

Have fun. Who do you intend to make that argument to?

DNA3000

Well then I’d argue that the goal of the titan crystal should be changed.

Although, as completely fruitless as I think that would be, I should state that objectively that's the proper line of thought. A lot of people simply refuse to accept that the developers have reasons for doing the things they do. They dismiss them, or simply straight up ignore them and argue for what they want, even if it contradicts the developer intent. The thing is, the developers are never going to act against their intentions. They can be convinced that someone else's ideas better implement those intentions, they can be convinced their own implementation choices fails to implement their intentions, but they are never going to just say well, we intend this, but this guy really really really wants something totally different, so let's do that instead. No one does that.

If you want the Titan crystal to be something totally different, you will have to find a line of argument that proposes a completely new purpose to the existence of that crystal, and a reason why the developers should abandon their own intentions for it and adopt yours instead. Because until they change their minds about what the Titan should be, they aren't going to change it to completely contradict what they think it should be.

Again, I don't think there's a high chance of succeeding there. It is just higher than the zero percent change most people have simply demanding the crystal get cheaper or have the pools curated into a wish list because "its stupid" if it isn't. No one responds to such arguments, ever.