Is the Science class too powerful?

EdisonLaw · March 31

For me, I think Science is currently the best class, with very few exceptions (Hercules being one). You have Titania who can take no damage for a period of time and can end fights in 40 seconds or less, Silk, who is one of the best attackers and can end fights in around the same time, Hulk who can stun cheese most defenders, Torch, the best mystic and energy matchup slayer, and so many more.
Watch this video here and answer the question, is Science too unbalanced? If so, what's the solution? Ex: Nerfing these top tier science champs, or releasing new defenders that hard counter them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXnsJaHKi2A

Lmao · March 31

This happened in the past as well with the mutant class, I think it just comes and goes.

ItsClobberinTime · March 31

Yes

The solution is: Kabam just stop focusing on the science class lol. None of these champs are absolutely busted to the point they need a nerf tbh but I do agree that the science class is ridiculously strong right now and what he said about the buffs is very true as well.
The science class is so strong Red Guardian's buff has gone completely unnoticed by the majority of the playerbase even though he can pretty much nuke most mystic defenders with a single sp2 and is imo even a better buff immune champ than Titania once you get him to high enough sig, if he was a 7* he would be absolutely ridiculous.
Edit: don't even get me started on Luke Cage, a lot of people thought the buff was mid at best because of how strong the science class is atm but his buff was actually pretty decent.

I also believe Spider Punk will go completely unnoticed by the majority of the playerbase due to this (I hope I'm wrong) so yes they need to stop with the science class bangers and start giving the other classes more love cause they really need it.

DarknessFalls · March 31

No

Sort fights sure, but the the champs who are good in short fights at times struggle with high hp pool bosses.

ItsClobberinTime · March 31

Yes

DarknessFalls said:
Sort fights sure, but the the champs who are good in short fights at times struggle with high hp pool bosses.

All the science champs mentioned in the video can take 600k-700k health pools with zero issues except for Luke Cage and maybe Red Guardian.

gohard123 · March 31

Every class has their time in the sun. Ask people how good the science class was before Dec 2017/Jan 2018

EdisonLaw · March 31

Yes

DarknessFalls said:
Sort fights sure, but the the champs who are good in short fights at times struggle with high hp pool bosses.

Even Titania and Silk can take high health pools, when they are mostly designed for war and battlegrounds

Ercarret · March 31

It's not a huge problem. The only thing that makes the science class seem as good as it is right now, is that we've seen a lot of great science champs come out after the introduction of 7*s - meaning, all of these top-tier science champs are available as 7*s.

If all of the different classes' best champions were available as 7*s, we'd probably not have a discussion about the science class being lopsided. How much wouldn't an r3 Hit-Monkey tear through? How annoyingly beefy wouldn't an r3 Apocalypse be? Just imagine how annoying an r3 version of Future Ant-Man would be, or if we're talking about the mystic class, Man-Thing or Mephisto.

And I haven't even talked about the biggest, monumental elephant in the room: the cosmic class. We have almost none of the best cosmic champions available as 7*s. No Hulkling, no Galan, no CGR, and obviously no Hercules.

While no, there hasn't been an incredibly broken mystic defender in a while, all of these science champions came out as a response to a lot of broken mystic defenders already being in the game. We're basically seeing the science equivalent of how a lot of cosmic attackers came out in response to Peni a few years back. They're not just there to be over-the-top crazy good on attack - they're there to solve a problem the science class was having. The pendulum will swing back in time, I'm sure.

captain_rogers · March 31

Yes

Every class had it's sunshine once upon a time, except techs.

Tech class has always been the weakest class since the introduction of mcoc. For a long period, mutants used to dominate, upon release of herc, cosmic were based. In 2019, doom and claire were released and elevated the position for mystic for few months. Science used to dominate meta few times. And skill, always ruled the longform everest rewarding content with Aegon and now kate. But tech

There wasn't a single period of time where tech used to he best class in game. Not even when ghost was released. Tech is the most forgotten class by kabam easily.

captain_rogers · March 31

Yes

gohard123 said:
Every class has their time in the sun. Ask people how good the science class was before Dec 2017/Jan 2018

Except tech class

captain_rogers · March 31

Yes

Also let me say one thing, Ham is actually the most fastest science killer in bgs if equipped with a relic. I have r2 ham and r2 titania, and ham always ends the fight faster than titania.

Ham is fast attacker then any other character cuz he deals direct damage unlike other Science champ who rely on physical/energy damage which can be resisted. I once killed a r5 ascended doom in 23 sec with ham 7* r2

Priyabrata · March 31

Yes

captain_rogers said:

gohard123 said:
Every class has their time in the sun. Ask people how good the science class was before Dec 2017/Jan 2018
Except tech class

Tech had the Ghost era, back when ghost was considered the most broken champion in the game

PT_99 · March 31

No

EdisonLaw said:
If so, what's the solution? Ex: Nerfing these top tier science champs, or releasing new defenders that hard counter them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXnsJaHKi2A

What's up with new found kink of "nerf this nerf that" from community MEMEbers?
We get good OP attackers in 4 months or so but even then some gets tuned down, but that's not enough, MORE NERF.
Think before writing stuff.

captain_rogers · March 31

Yes

Priyabrata said:

captain_rogers said:

gohard123 said:
Every class has their time in the sun. Ask people how good the science class was before Dec 2017/Jan 2018
Except tech class
Tech had the Ghost era, back when ghost was considered the most broken champion in the game

Even in ghost era, tech wasn't considered the broken class cuz, it's only ghost, other champs are very mid, sparky was good, that's it.

Even in those times, mutants and cosmic ruled it with corvus glaive and domino/omega red and archangel

BigBlueOx · March 31

No

Except Skill is almost equally as strong or minimally for every OP science champ there is a skill counter available that shuts it down. This isn’t the same as when Mutant Class dominated and Tech really didn’t have abilities to counter them.

Darkraw346 · March 31

No

We still need the Science class to have their own Galan and Apoc to up their game

Still waiting for The High Evolutionary

captain_rogers · March 31

Yes

Darkraw346 said:
We still need the Science class to have their own Galan and Apoc to up their game

Still waiting for The High Evolutionary

Mr fantastic exists

BigBlueOx · March 31

No

The only reasonable take here is that’s 7star releases have greatly favored science and the fix is simple. Release better quality champs from the other classes as 7s.

13579rebel_ · March 31

No

First off cosmic is the best

Second off You didn't even mention the best science champ scorpion

Darkraw346 · March 31

No

captain_rogers said:

Darkraw346 said:
We still need the Science class to have their own Galan and Apoc to up their game

Still waiting for The High Evolutionary
Mr fantastic exists

He's more like the Odin of the science class tho, not Galan nor Apoc

Emilia90 · March 31

13579rebel_ said:
First off cosmic is the best

Second off You didn't even mention the best science champ scorpion

People still pushing the whole “cosmic is the best” when science is consistently better and cosmic drops off heavily after the first couple champs lol

Emilia90 · March 31

It’s not too powerful in the sense that they need to be nerfed, just less focused on. We’ve gotten to a point where science consistently has fantastic champs and there are very few that haven’t been buffed to be viable in some capacity

Within the last year, we’ve had Silk, Photon, Hulk buff, RG buff, Luke buff, and now Punk. I play battlegrounds in higher tiers and mystic defenders do absolutely nothing for me most of the time now. If I draft Rinrah or Mangog, they’ll have one of the champs I mentioned above, or Titania, Negative, Ham, Overseer, Scorp, or other science nukes that’ll just run them over in less than a minute. Not to mention champs like Titania also hard counter Korg and Attuma lol

captain_rogers · March 31

Yes

Emilia90 said:
It’s not too powerful in the sense that they need to be nerfed, just less focused on. We’ve gotten to a point where science consistently has fantastic champs and there are very few that haven’t been buffed to be viable in some capacity

Within the last year, we’ve had Silk, Photon, Hulk buff, RG buff, Luke buff, and now Punk. I play battlegrounds in higher tiers and mystic defenders do absolutely nothing for me most of the time now. If I draft Rinrah or Mangog, they’ll have one of the champs I mentioned above, or Titania, Negative, Ham, Overseer, Scorp, or other science nukes that’ll just run them over in less than a minute. Not to mention champs like Titania also hard counter Korg and Attuma lol

Overseer is a bg nuke? Nah I don't think so, he is too slow for me in bgs. He shines in questing specifically

Emilia90 · March 31

captain_rogers said:

Emilia90 said:
It’s not too powerful in the sense that they need to be nerfed, just less focused on. We’ve gotten to a point where science consistently has fantastic champs and there are very few that haven’t been buffed to be viable in some capacity

Within the last year, we’ve had Silk, Photon, Hulk buff, RG buff, Luke buff, and now Punk. I play battlegrounds in higher tiers and mystic defenders do absolutely nothing for me most of the time now. If I draft Rinrah or Mangog, they’ll have one of the champs I mentioned above, or Titania, Negative, Ham, Overseer, Scorp, or other science nukes that’ll just run them over in less than a minute. Not to mention champs like Titania also hard counter Korg and Attuma lol
Overseer is a bg nuke? Nah I don't think so, he is too slow for me in bgs. He shines in questing specifically

Yeah not nearly as good as the others I mentioned, but my r1 overseer still puts in a lot of work. He’s pretty sustainable and he puts up decent times tbh. When the meta benefits him (like power gain) he goes crazy though

BeastDad · March 31

No

This post could just as easily be for cosmic class.

Ultragamer · March 31

Yes

BigBlueOx said:
The only reasonable take here is that’s 7star releases have greatly favored science and the fix is simple. Release better quality champs from the other classes as 7s.

That’s definitely not the issue we got scorp who isn’t a 7*, Cassie, torch, and red guardian. There’s even more that are good that are 6* locked it’s the thing that science champs are just so good and some don’t get attention cause other science champs dominate the competition

Ultragamer · March 31

Yes

BeastDad said:
This post could just as easily be for cosmic class.

Not really cosmic isn’t that stacked without its top tier champs a lot of the rest are just ok

Northstarr · March 31

Dunno if Science Class is OP versus Cosmic and Tech
but the Skill Class is awfull IMO.

Kingpin, Nick Fury ... always the same and I really hate them.

No love for Moonknight, they killed Kraven...
I really hope for great new Skill Champ in the future, I think we gonna have 2 or 3 more this years...

EdisonLaw · March 31

Yes

BigBlueOx said:
The only reasonable take here is that’s 7star releases have greatly favored science and the fix is simple. Release better quality champs from the other classes as 7s.

Yes and remove Venom the Duck from the 7 star basic pool and add him back in once he’s buffed

EdisonLaw · March 31

Yes

Northstarr said:
Dunno if Science Class is OP versus Cosmic and Tech
but the Skill Class is awfull IMO.

Kingpin, Nick Fury ... always the same and I really hate them.

No love for Moonknight, they killed Kraven...
I really hope for great new Skill Champ in the future, I think we gonna have 2 or 3 more this years...

We had a great skill champ last year with Kate, and also Aegon’s popularity rose thanks to Necropolis

EdisonLaw · March 31

Yes

captain_rogers said:

Emilia90 said:
It’s not too powerful in the sense that they need to be nerfed, just less focused on. We’ve gotten to a point where science consistently has fantastic champs and there are very few that haven’t been buffed to be viable in some capacity

Within the last year, we’ve had Silk, Photon, Hulk buff, RG buff, Luke buff, and now Punk. I play battlegrounds in higher tiers and mystic defenders do absolutely nothing for me most of the time now. If I draft Rinrah or Mangog, they’ll have one of the champs I mentioned above, or Titania, Negative, Ham, Overseer, Scorp, or other science nukes that’ll just run them over in less than a minute. Not to mention champs like Titania also hard counter Korg and Attuma lol
Overseer is a bg nuke? Nah I don't think so, he is too slow for me in bgs. He shines in questing specifically

In matchups where he’s duped and can ramp fast like against poison or nullify champs, he does shine

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