Blade is the worst 7* in the game

Sachhyam257Sachhyam257 Member Posts: 1,203 ★★★★
(We're ignoring thanos/deadpool/any 7* trophy champ here)

Let's talk about blade on his own. His synergy partners (ghost rider, dorm/mephi) are dead weight on offense, so you'd never bring them along in any realistic questing situation. Not to mention bgs or aw/gauntlet style content where you're limited to just 1 or 3 champs.

Blade's ideal matchups would be dimensional beings, which make up 14/270 champs. In these matchups, he's a good counter: his dmg is decent (at best) and he shuts down abilities pretty well. However, 5/14 of those champs are bleed immune, with fam being a partial bleed immune champ, making it 6/14. So, there are 8 champs blade counters on his own (chavez, galan, magik, mephi, purg, spot, cow, and hood) where he'll be at full potential dmg-wise. From that lot, you'd almost never see purg/magik on defense (changes if they release 6* magik though), and hood is a pretty easy fight with or without blade. That leaves spot, chavez, galan, cow, and mephisto (these are good defenders, I will admit). So, he has 5 effective matchups at full potential.

Aside from those 5 matchups, blade is on his own and will be without the danger sense bonus. He'll be a regular bleed reliant low-dmg champ with no utility. His regen from the sig is nice on paper; saves potions, but in practice it has lost its value. If you are using that regen in bgs, you've already lost the round. It works for questing, but I'd rather take other skill champs with better dmg and utility over the regen and abysmal dmg that blade offers (might be okay for AQ at best). His debuff duration reduction is a low-value ability with barely any practical use.

Reiterating for the nth time: his dmg is not up to par at all, it's legitimately a joke. In 256/270 matchups, his dmg is pathetic, I'd argue that it is among the lowest of any current 7* (even when he can bleed the opponent). <- Let's not even talk about how toothless he'll be in any bleed immune situation when it's already poor enough.

He obviously has no defensive use, and as established here, he barely offers any offensive value. The only situation I see where his value increases is when/if kabam release a 6* magik. Even then, he only gains 1 more viable matchup.

The fact that he doesn't trigger danger sense against the only vampire in the game, morbius, is crime alone tbh.

He was finally added as a 6* not too long ago, yet I've never seen anyone talk about him (aside from youtubers who ranked him up because of nostalgia/ exclusivity), so why was he added to the 7* pool? Even after excluding broken/top tier skill champs like kate, kingpin, valk, zemo, monke and fury (and exclusives 7*s like moleman and massacre); they could have still added stealthy/bwdo/misty in over him. I wouldn't mind seeing him get buffed soon, if that was the intention; like they did with ironman, luke, and red skull recently. He'd be a bad pull from a basic, much less a titan. The only other 7* that is comparably as bad on their own is red goblin, even then his synergy partner odin is actually worth bringing along.

What prompted me to make this post was another thread here talking about the worst titan crystal. I can't believe ppl were saying blade is a SOLID pull, like stop lying to yourselves lmao. Textbook nostalgia bait champ that you say is solid until you actually pull them. Would anyone rank up a champ that can only do like 5 matchups on their own?
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  • ForumerForumer Member Posts: 104 ★★
    edited May 6
    Agreed, OP. To add on, he isn’t even the best counter in his few match ups anymore.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,400 ★★★★★
    edited May 6

    EdisonLaw said:

    Blade may be the worst in the titan but the actual worst 7* in any crystal is Venom the Duck.

    But even then Blade isn’t bad, he can still counter those dimensional beings and has some ok damage outside. He still has that regen which is super useful in questing and is rare in the skill class. A minor tuneup however would make him top tier again

    1. Whenever the opponent is bleed immune, gain a Fury and/or cruelty passive to make up for the damage
    2. Signature ability increases the range of Danger sense to villains and mystics
    3. Regen in base kit (maybe too op)?
    4. Crits inflict Bleed
    5. On Sp3, gain a Vicious passive

    Vtd is better than blade in 90% of matchups, not saying vtd is a good champ (i'd hate to see him pop out of my 7* crystal), just that blade is worse.
    90% of matchups? Which matchups? He’s only good for long quests and occasionally against armor up characters. Even then I’d use someone like Serpent against those armor up champs and even other champs perform better in those areas. Excluding Thanos, VTD is the worst 7 star in mcoc, period
  • Sachhyam257Sachhyam257 Member Posts: 1,203 ★★★★
    (I have just lost a comment to the void of approval for changing "had" to "has" lmao. I'll try rewriting my original comment)
    EdisonLaw said:

    90% of matchups? Which matchups? He’s only good for long quests and occasionally against armor up characters. Even then I’d use someone like Serpent against those armor up champs and even other champs perform better in those areas. Excluding Thanos, VTD is the worst 7 star in mcoc, period

    As I said, outside of those 14 matchups where blade naturally triggers his danger sense, his dmg is awful and he has no utility at all. Vtd would do better in any of those other fights. Not saying vtd isn't down there among the worst 7*s, he definitely is. But, in a direct comparison with a non-danger sense blade, he has better base dmg, he has bleed, he has the ability to switch to passive degens against bleed immunes, he has buffs (regen, power gain, fury, etc), and he has clear advantage over armored opponents. Only thing blade has over vtd here is faster debuff shrugging, which is barely helpful at all.
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,114 ★★★★
    I will be happy to get blade from basic 7 star but I would not want him from titan. Only issue with Blade is compared to the likes of Archangel and Hyperion he hasn't aged well in the contest and the game has evolved past him.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Can anyone actually post a 7* Blade video in BGs for the love of God? I can't with all the slander and I'm starting to think he really is that bad which makes me sad cause the OG Trinity got me through so much content years ago, it's how I became Uncollected 🙃
  • BuggyDClownBuggyDClown Member Posts: 2,340 ★★★★★
    I would happily take 7 star blade and dupe him as well
  • Sachhyam257Sachhyam257 Member Posts: 1,203 ★★★★

    Can anyone actually post a 7* Blade video in BGs for the love of God? I can't with all the slander and I'm starting to think he really is that bad which makes me sad cause the OG Trinity got me through so much content years ago, it's how I became Uncollected 🙃

    That's how a lot of us got to UC tbh. Running the trinity was the norm so I think many ppl forget how much worse blade is when the danger sense bonuses aren't there.
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    This is so funny. I don't necessarily disagree because I haven't used Blade in ages, but there is no champ in the game that got more nerf posts in the Forum than Blade when he was released. How the mighty have fallen.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    Can anyone actually post a 7* Blade video in BGs for the love of God? I can't with all the slander and I'm starting to think he really is that bad which makes me sad cause the OG Trinity got me through so much content years ago, it's how I became Uncollected 🙃

    That's how a lot of us got to UC tbh. Running the trinity was the norm so I think many ppl forget how much worse blade is when the danger sense bonuses aren't there.
    It does, I think the Ghost Rider synergy should honestly just be base kit and then they should make it so Ghost Rider's synergy and Stark Spidey's are the same and stack. He doesn't really need that much and I doubt he'd be broken if they did this, hopefully one day.
  • AzdefAzdef Member Posts: 243
    We had a fun Blade post not so long back. Glad we are back at it....
  • Jack2634Jack2634 Member Posts: 920 ★★★
    with how recent champions starting to get part of their kit changed in BG (serpent for example), I think kabam should give him a counterpart ability. Like, make the ghost rider's synergy activated in BG so that he will be more viable. Without BOTH bleed and danger sense active, he felt extremely outdated
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,283 ★★★★★
    edited May 6

    Venom the duck is better than blade, trust me.

    - Blade can't do **** in bleed immune matchups, VTD still can apply degen.
    - You can equip Venom relic for VTD to increase his damage, no such option for blade.
    - VTD is a monster in incursions and AQ. Blade suck even there.
    - Blade is easily the worst champ excluding trophies.

    Both of them are useless for BGs for the most part, in a questing AW AQ or any other scenario you can use the trinity and with it bleed immunity doesn't matter. If the trinity wasn't a thing sure but that trinity makes Blade really strong, it's not even close.
    Yeah Trinity makes him strong but Ghost rider is useless for questing. So it's one waste spot. But with trinity blade is situationally useful to take down some villain champs in annoying nodes, in that case blade is way better than VTD, but VTD can work well without synergies so he gets a point there.

    But both are pretty much useless. Like 90% of time both are just resting on the roster at r1 lvl 1.
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