Carnage: 2018 Buff

NuHuman_2099

So as the title says, this is a quick thread on the Carnage buff we were told would be coming back in June/July.
Im really just enquiring about it.
Is it something we were just told? Or are we going to see a buff to Carnage through 2018?
Im really curious as he is one of my favourites and such a big and powerful character.

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Sirnoob

I could be wrong but from what I herd the devs never gave a defenitive date for it so consider it like bases "soon"

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Collector6789

You do realize that they could have just said they were going to buff him to get everyone to stop complaining about him.

LocoMotives

They never said it back in summer, it was at NYCC. No date was given either, so we have nothing to go off.

Greenstroke

Just rewert him back to the state he was before initially released in the game, 150 hits against RoL WS aint op...

Hammerbro_64

I think how he worked was he would stack all of his abilities instead of switching and mutating or something. That would make him legit

Edit: this is just speculation

Dexman1349

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/43023/beta-test-potential-improvements-to-luke-cage-and-red-hulk#latest

This leads me to believe there are a handful of champs that will be revised over the coming year. Hopefully Carnage is one of them...

Hammerbro_64

How do u delete a comment? I posted in the wrong discussion

Yogiethebear

#buffcarnage

Jac094

Naaah **** it, why buff such a popoular character like Carnage if you can buff Luke Cage and Red Hulk?

Bahamut

Jac094 wrote: »

Naaah **** it, why buff such a popoular character like Carnage if you can buff Luke Cage and Red Hulk?

You say that like buffing them was a bad choice

GroundedWisdom

The comment that was reiterated was that he was adjusted before release because he was too strong, and that they agreed he was adjusted too much, and they may be revisiting him this year. All of this is heresay, simply because we weren't there and there has been no official comment on it other than the fact that he has come up for them. Now, that's not to say it wasn't said, just that most of us weren't there when it was said. I suspect he may be revisited sometime, but there's also an order they seem to be following. The buffs for LC and Rulk were likely the result of data collected internally. I believe that how low they perform and how long they've been in the game may play a factor. All-in-all, he will probably be revisited IMO. When is a different question.

Blackluster_6

Carnage should be better, in fact he deserves it he overpowered both Venom & Spidey in the comics at some point. So while they made his base attack & health so low they should give him a decent regeneration like X-23 or even OML & make his fury, precision & cruelty buffs better, also a permanent physical resistance AND MORE BLEEDING

ZzyzxGuy

His buff limit from mutations needs to be removed and mutations need to be instant.

colbyscipio987

He needs a damage increase and critical damage increase.

Thatweirdguy

It isn’t hearsay. We got the statement right from a Dev’s mouth. Seatin or Dave has a video at NYCC where he is interviewing the Dev and he discusses the over correction in nerfing him at release. Also the team intends to fix him. Let’s hope he is one of the next to be fixed. He is so weak and garbage right now sadly.

Thatweirdguy

It was Dave’s video. Carnage discussions start at around 6:15.

https://youtu.be/83D55CvruXs

GroundedWisdom

Thatweirdguy wrote: »

It isn’t hearsay. We got the statement right from a Dev’s mouth. Seatin or Dave has a video at NYCC where he is interviewing the Dev and he discusses the over correction in nerfing him at release. Also the team intends to fix him. Let’s hope he is one of the next to be fixed. He is so weak and garbage right now sadly.

I haven't seen the video so I couldn't say it was for sure. I wasn't arguing it. It's been talked about enough. I just hadn't confirmed the actual comment. In any event, there may be other Champs they're working on first. Who knows when they will revise him.

SpiritOfVengeance

Venom and other older champs first. Carnage is already more likely to get buffed so you can rule him out.

Thatweirdguy

I don't know if it is being done by class or not. Science was the most garbage class with the fewest good champs until recently. So maybe that class was targeted. If they are going by class with the fewest decent champs I guess Cosmic would be next?

GroundedWisdom

Never thought of that. Could be by Class. I think it's more related to the internal data and who was performing on the lower end. I think there's a certain amount of time before they buff Champs. Hard to say. I would prioritize older Champs first if it was me. You never know. They could come out next month with a buff for him. I don't worry about it too much. It'll come when it comes.

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LocoMotives

NuHuman_2099 wrote: »

Grippies wrote: »

As others stated, he was made to be way too strong before the actual release, so they nerfed him before release rather than after. Unfortunately, they nerfed him too much...and released him anyways. I agree with the nerf before release, but they should have just delayed him rather than making him too weak, but there's probably financial consideration involved.

My question: if they were fine releasing Blade how he is, how incredible was the pre-release Carnage that they had to nerf him right away?

Nearly Unstoppable.
He had no limitation on his stackable buffs and it had more triggers than sp1 and sp2.
Other things ive seen suggest he even had the same ability as Agent Venom where he could get rid of stuns and status effects.
Another one was he had more buffs in his pool, Eg;
Regen, Poison, Evade, Cruelty, Precision, Fury, Armor Up, Armor Break, Physical Resist, Block Proficiency, Bleed, Stun, Power Steal, Enervate and Klyntar Rage all included.
These were all speculation and I among others have seen to real evidence to support this, but it makes alot of sense to me.

There’s no possible way that he had all those and could control which to activate. Not enough commands in a fight for that, it would’ve had to have been a random draw at that point. And if random, it wouldn’t have been overpowered.

DrOctavius2_2

Hoping they release a Carnage and Sentry beta test very soon

DrVD99

Buff all the worse champs. Kamala Khan and spider Gwen first.

LocoMotives

BitterSteel wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

NuHuman_2099 wrote: »

Grippies wrote: »

As others stated, he was made to be way too strong before the actual release, so they nerfed him before release rather than after. Unfortunately, they nerfed him too much...and released him anyways. I agree with the nerf before release, but they should have just delayed him rather than making him too weak, but there's probably financial consideration involved.

My question: if they were fine releasing Blade how he is, how incredible was the pre-release Carnage that they had to nerf him right away?

Nearly Unstoppable.
He had no limitation on his stackable buffs and it had more triggers than sp1 and sp2.
Other things ive seen suggest he even had the same ability as Agent Venom where he could get rid of stuns and status effects.
Another one was he had more buffs in his pool, Eg;
Regen, Poison, Evade, Cruelty, Precision, Fury, Armor Up, Armor Break, Physical Resist, Block Proficiency, Bleed, Stun, Power Steal, Enervate and Klyntar Rage all included.
These were all speculation and I among others have seen to real evidence to support this, but it makes alot of sense to me.

There’s no possible way that he had all those and could control which to activate. Not enough commands in a fight for that, it would’ve had to have been a random draw at that point. And if random, it wouldn’t have been overpowered.

Tell that to scarlet witch

Scarlet Witch can’t control which one procs, it’s random for her. Exactly how I described in my comment. And really doubt they would make a new scarlet witch only months after changing the original.

LocoMotives

BitterSteel wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

LocoMotives wrote: »

NuHuman_2099 wrote: »

Grippies wrote: »

As others stated, he was made to be way too strong before the actual release, so they nerfed him before release rather than after. Unfortunately, they nerfed him too much...and released him anyways. I agree with the nerf before release, but they should have just delayed him rather than making him too weak, but there's probably financial consideration involved.

My question: if they were fine releasing Blade how he is, how incredible was the pre-release Carnage that they had to nerf him right away?

Nearly Unstoppable.
He had no limitation on his stackable buffs and it had more triggers than sp1 and sp2.
Other things ive seen suggest he even had the same ability as Agent Venom where he could get rid of stuns and status effects.
Another one was he had more buffs in his pool, Eg;
Regen, Poison, Evade, Cruelty, Precision, Fury, Armor Up, Armor Break, Physical Resist, Block Proficiency, Bleed, Stun, Power Steal, Enervate and Klyntar Rage all included.
These were all speculation and I among others have seen to real evidence to support this, but it makes alot of sense to me.

There’s no possible way that he had all those and could control which to activate. Not enough commands in a fight for that, it would’ve had to have been a random draw at that point. And if random, it wouldn’t have been overpowered.

Tell that to scarlet witch

Scarlet Witch can’t control which one procs, it’s random for her. Exactly how I described in my comment. And really doubt they would make a new scarlet witch only months after changing the original.

I meant the “if random, it wouldn’t have been overpowered”

Scarlet witch was the most random champ and the most powerful champ in the hammer. So you were wrong.

You’re right, she definitely was. I didn’t want to write a wall or text to explain exactly what I was getting at.

Cosmos_2002

Carnage

Increase limit to 6 buffs (7 with venom)

Reduce mutation time to 7 seconds.

While mutating, passively generate power as long as the opponent bleeds.(10% of a bar of power per second ).
This is unaffected by the number of bleeds.

Remove the block proficiency buff and add a perfect block chance instead (~10%)
Get the corresponding passive while blocking.
Increase base block proficiency to ~55%.

On light attacks, Remove the critical rating buff and put the critcal damage buff instead (~25%).
Get the corresponding passive on light attacks.
To balance this , increase his critical rating to ~30%.

On the heavy attack gain a Power gain buff, increasing all power gained by 16%.(instead of the cruelty buff)
Heavy attacks generate 16% more power (instead of the passive cruelty effect).

Persistent Buffs (from fight to fight in a quest)
At the start of a fight, generate any 2 buffs activated in the previous fight.

Signature Ability

While the opponent bleeds, their evasion chance is reduced by (~20-90%)

Passively regenerate upto 18% missing health over the course of a mutation.