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Enough, enough with these immunity penalty nodes

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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,536 ★★★★★

    I do agree reverse controls shouldn't be forced upon players. But this content is meant to be tough, hair pulling, irritating and even makes you think about quitting the game. That's the point of SOS. So I don't mind these nodes being unfair, cuz that's the intention.

    Onslaugth was "hair pulling", they have over 200 champs to pick from for a boss and countless nodes to make them difficult. Laziness or lack of creativity, you pick.

    Your argument is lazy and lacks creativity. You don't like reverse controls so you call it lazy. I'm sick of seeing these posts when hard content comes out. They warn you way ahead time that it won't be a cake walk but we get dozens of posts complaining about node combinations as if they weren't aware this is difficult content.

    Go replay act 1. Seems more your skill level.
    No don't like it, never will and that's why we have reverse control immune champs. But with Necro and this week SOS, Kabam decided to penalize their use, and it's even worse this week. Not just removing their immunities.
    Git gud.
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    Buzerk1969Buzerk1969 Posts: 48
    DNA3000 said:

    DNA3000 said:



    If reverse controls is not a skill, then neither is forward controls.

    Cute...almost funny
    You say that like I was trying to be funny. This is my serious face.
    Ok, now you are really being funny, Kabam? looking for some help in the community mgmt? We got a candidate here.

    If so, then it should be everywhere in the game, but Kabam knows better, they would rapidly loose the player base, no player base, no revenue, no game. We can coun't on 1 hand where that node is, why do you think that is? And except for the 2 example I gave, you can use your reverse control immune champs, Kabam even encourage you to do exactly that.
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    ButtehrsButtehrs Posts: 5,139 ★★★★★
    You say it's lazy to use reverse control and then basically ban reverse control.immune champs. But out of 9 separate SoS fights this year it's the first one with reverse controls. So, how exactly is that lazy node design?
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    Buzerk1969Buzerk1969 Posts: 48

    I do agree reverse controls shouldn't be forced upon players. But this content is meant to be tough, hair pulling, irritating and even makes you think about quitting the game. That's the point of SOS. So I don't mind these nodes being unfair, cuz that's the intention.

    Onslaugth was "hair pulling", they have over 200 champs to pick from for a boss and countless nodes to make them difficult. Laziness or lack of creativity, you pick.

    Your argument is lazy and lacks creativity. You don't like reverse controls so you call it lazy. I'm sick of seeing these posts when hard content comes out. They warn you way ahead time that it won't be a cake walk but we get dozens of posts complaining about node combinations as if they weren't aware this is difficult content.

    Go replay act 1. Seems more your skill level.
    No don't like it, never will and that's why we have reverse control immune champs. But with Necro and this week SOS, Kabam decided to penalize their use, and it's even worse this week. Not just removing their immunities.
    You can do the phase 3 reverse controls phase with Juggs, becasue the degen only takes 2% per second of your current health. This is similiar to Bane, which gates weaker the lower your or the defender HP Bar is

    Another fact is that Necro GM Phase 4 can be done with Reverse Control imunne champ, but i am sure you already know that
    And I'm sure you know it's phase 3 that penalized the use of reverse control champs in Necro
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    DarkGuardianDarkGuardian Posts: 195 ★★

    I do agree reverse controls shouldn't be forced upon players. But this content is meant to be tough, hair pulling, irritating and even makes you think about quitting the game. That's the point of SOS. So I don't mind these nodes being unfair, cuz that's the intention.

    Onslaugth was "hair pulling", they have over 200 champs to pick from for a boss and countless nodes to make them difficult. Laziness or lack of creativity, you pick.

    Your argument is lazy and lacks creativity. You don't like reverse controls so you call it lazy. I'm sick of seeing these posts when hard content comes out. They warn you way ahead time that it won't be a cake walk but we get dozens of posts complaining about node combinations as if they weren't aware this is difficult content.

    Go replay act 1. Seems more your skill level.
    No don't like it, never will and that's why we have reverse control immune champs. But with Necro and this week SOS, Kabam decided to penalize their use, and it's even worse this week. Not just removing their immunities.
    You can do the phase 3 reverse controls phase with awakened Juggs, becasue the degen only takes 2% per second of your current health and his sig ability reduces incoming damage by x% depending on the sig level. Granted, it is horrible, but awakened Juggs makes it much easier.
    This is similiar to Bane, which gates weaker the lower your or the defender HP Bar is

    Another fact is that Necro GM Phase 4 can be done with Reverse Control imunne champ, but i am sure you already know that
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    BendyBendy Posts: 4,572 ★★★★★

    Well why don't you give 2 weeks of your time and see whether your opinions change or not? Until now we had 9 fights (6 wow and 3 sos) and I'll confidently say gwenpool isn't even the top 3 toughest boss on them.

    Id say to me shes probs third best fight first being dani as was actually a cool design learned something second best its out of hulkling and aegon both are tied then proper third is gwenpool as shes challenging but skill needed as invert controls back and fourth that u gotta get brain power but in terms of difficult onslaught and abs are just top then id say that iron fist but might change if anniluhs in 2 weeks time
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    GladsGlads Posts: 411 ★★★
    Bendy said:

    They made nodes to penalty as other wise it be too easy like if u used jugs it would take 2 sp2s most likely to almost kill her

    Not everyone has juggs and that's only 1 quest
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    GladsGlads Posts: 411 ★★★

    I do agree reverse controls shouldn't be forced upon players. But this content is meant to be tough, hair pulling, irritating and even makes you think about quitting the game. That's the point of SOS. So I don't mind these nodes being unfair, cuz that's the intention.

    Onslaugth was "hair pulling", they have over 200 champs to pick from for a boss and countless nodes to make them difficult. Laziness or lack of creativity, you pick.

    Onslaught wasn't nerfed before SOS as the announced. Yet in teir 3 wars our Onslaught gets between 3 to 5 kills every war work that out
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    Greed_ExodusGreed_Exodus Posts: 289 ★★★
    I did the fight with a r3 6* blade and got both paragon objectives, it’s honestly the easiest one of these fights so far imo, yeah some people struggle with reverse controls I get that, but it’s gwenpool, be glad it wasn’t a character with a more difficult sp1 to dex, this was easily played around by skill, unlike some of the other fights have had unavoidable damage or crazy regen that negates 90% of the damage you just dealt in the last attempt.
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    the_eradicatorthe_eradicator Posts: 363 ★★★
    I somewhat get the point.
    Reverse controls are a sort of thing that your brain will not comprehend straightaway if you are not used to it.

    I used to hate this stuff but somehow I decided to practise this against a reversed controls Kindred in one of the previous event quests.
    Cos it was like 2 energy or something and free practise.
    You have to let your brain naturally adapt and develop an automatic reflex for revere controls.
    But in this particular fight, there is a trick, keep pushing her to her special 1 while the controls change, pick a champion with fast specials, you have a sp1 power gain...put in just for that reason. This actually made it doable. Cos you just have to handle the RC on sp1 evades.
    Rest of the time just parry and heavy and wait out the timer if its in between the switch..you basically screwed if the controls change in between the special evade.
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    NüΚΞNüΚΞ Posts: 169 ★★
    I suck at reverse controls, and undulating between normal and reverse gave my brain a headache. I will say stick with it. I failed like 20-30 times then it started to make sense I ended up using about 4 revives total. If I can do this fight you can.

    I found that once you can get into a rhythm you can use your specials and striker to help transition from reverse to normal. It helped my smooth brain, it might help you too 😂😂.

    AI can be tricky, plenty of my attempts the ai waited to throw specials the second it transitioned from normal to reverse or the opposite. All of the fights you can get into the flow and I especially found the striker clutch during transitions between control switches.

    Finish every combo with a light attack and you’ll get it. All these WOW AND SOS fights are highlighting some specific muscle memory. I tell myself that when I get especially pissed off.

    You can parry to slow the fight down and transition that way as well. GL
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    NüΚΞNüΚΞ Posts: 169 ★★
    I’ll take this fight over that absman. Even watching the videos of people doing the she hulk thing annoyed me 😂🤣
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    OldManHopOldManHop Posts: 288 ★★★
    edited June 12
    Buttehrs said:

    Odd. Plenty of normal people have already finished the fight with lots of champs. It honestly is a skill issue.

    Bold of you to assume that anyone who plays this game could be considered "normal."

    (I'm just playing, don't yell at me.)
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    GercasGercas Posts: 101 ★★
    They put one of the easiest defenders they could choose and your complaining they try to made it “hard”
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    Wozzle007Wozzle007 Posts: 973 ★★★★★
    I hate reverse controls, but this fight was honestly quite fun. Not the first 15 or so attempts where if took off 10k of damage I was lucky. Or the next 15 where 150k was a good effort. But then after that it all clicked and I was able to get into a rhythm and then old Gwenpool was getting shredded. It was really fun. All Valiant objectives now cleared and even did cleared an objective on my Alt Account.

    If this fight allowed champions immune to reverse control it would be about as hard as a Winter Soldier fight in ROL.

    Honestly the fights are supposed to be taxing and they are aimed at end game players or those willing to revive through the sorrow.
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    Dirty_DozzDirty_Dozz Posts: 387 ★★★
    edited June 12
    Reverse control immunity is already a niche one. There's maybe what, a dozen or so Champs that are immune to it? So it's not like they started making it super popular just to screw people.

    The point of "punishing" immunities is so you don't just take the easy way out. Necro GM punishes you for reverse control immunity because otherwise, it's just a generic GM fight, which most people doing Necro should be familiar with, and it wouldn't be any harder. This fight punishes it because the reversed controls are the only thing making this fight even slightly challenging.

    Further, aside from Necro and this fight, where do you get punished for bringing an immunity?

    This fight isn't even that bad. I'm nowhere near the most skilled at this game, and I was able to get a solo with Vox on my second try (then I realized using Vox was pointless), then I got a solo with Angela after a handful of tries.
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    peixemacacopeixemacaco Posts: 1,804 ★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Miike did say Spring of Sorrow would live up to its name. Isn't called spring of pleasant strolls for a reason.

    You also have to realize this is endgame content for endgame players


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    PriyabrataPriyabrata Posts: 1,158 ★★★★
    It's Gwen pool man, you can literally keep watching the timer the whole fight and play out of your peripheral vision , SHE'S THAT EASY TO FIGHT, I don't think you have a problem with dexing her specials or baiting them out, so why not just look at the counter throughout the fight?
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    Crimson8399Crimson8399 Posts: 762 ★★★
    My only issue I had with this fight was sometimes the timing on the reverse controls was so close that I couldn’t get the evade right and would dash into the special at the last second lol. This one was annoying but way easier than last fight IMO.
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    OldManHopOldManHop Posts: 288 ★★★

    It's Gwen pool man, you can literally keep watching the timer the whole fight and play out of your peripheral vision , SHE'S THAT EASY TO FIGHT, I don't think you have a problem with dexing her specials or baiting them out, so why not just look at the counter throughout the fight?

    This is honestly the message I needed... I might actually have to attempt this one. I let the last two pass me by (I only recently got Paragon and I'm still kinda intimidated by the true endgame content... also, I'm tapped out on revives/potions/units at this point, so it's gonna be a minute before I go attempting anything too novel.)

    I've essentially given up on getting any of the Deathless champs within the foreseeable future and, frankly, I'm enjoying the game a heck of a lot more without all the FOMO.
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    PantherusNZPantherusNZ Posts: 1,883 ★★★★
    I haven't managed a single solo in these fights to date, but I just now managed the solo with Black Cat 7R1 - you just gotta play around that controls timer and it's a piece of cake.
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    RustyoneilRustyoneil Posts: 192 ★★
    While I do agree that this was one of the easier bosses once you get into a rhythm. It does get super irritating when you place an objective like “Brotherhood of Mutants” which only has 10 options, then take away 2 of those options because of this node.
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    VenoweenVenoween Posts: 129
    Pikolu said:

    Miike did say Spring of Sorrow would live up to its name. Isn't called spring of pleasant strolls for a reason.

    You also have to realize this is endgame content for endgame players

    For those of us that, like pulling our own teeth, this mode is for you..
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    OldManHopOldManHop Posts: 288 ★★★
    Venoween said:

    Pikolu said:

    Miike did say Spring of Sorrow would live up to its name. Isn't called spring of pleasant strolls for a reason.

    You also have to realize this is endgame content for endgame players

    For those of us that, like pulling our own teeth, this mode is for you..
    It's up to every player to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze... either it is or it isn't.
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    J0eySn0wJ0eySn0w Posts: 909 ★★★★
    Bendy said:

    They made nodes to penalty as other wise it be too easy like if u used jugs it would take 2 sp2s most likely to almost kill her

    People complaining about the reverse controls are not necessarily saying take that node off and keep the rest. Maybe it sounds that way but that’s not what they’re saying. They’re basically saying, I hate reverse controls, give me something else other than that. And I completely understand. This game has taking a turn for some months now, I don’t know if people have realized. If they keep going at this pace, it will become more obvious. The hiring and consulting from these top tier players and YTers has raised the difficulty level, and it’s causing frustration to many players. They might want to bring people from mid level to balance things out. Look back to recent champs, you have disabling dex, willpower, guaranteed damage, etc. What next?
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