I was annoyed that knocking him down with a special doesn’t count for knockdown when not stunned. One thing I did find is if you parry and throw a heavy as the parry stun expires, that does work. I was able to get him down 25% in 7 revives. But agreed that this fight could use some tweaks for next raid.
The fight's definitely trickier than anything in the last Raid but it's still doable. We will see what the data says but I suspect by the 2nd or 3rd cycle players will have sorted out the best champions, gotten some more practice on the fight, and most Alliances will be back to clearing the map before the mid-week revive reset. Again we will see what the data shows, but on the surface it doesn't seem outside the acceptable tuning window.
2nd or 3rd Cycle!!! So basically… Let’s all throw units at Revives for a Mistake of a boss that Kabam created. MODOK mixed with BAD NODES combined with awful AI, RNG etc. Our Alliance has emptied revive stash and MODOK is still at 75%. Side note… 200 units for 1 revive and barely scratching 1% damage off of MODOK. It’s an expense no one in our Alliance wants to feel.
We hope this can be investigated further and some sort of amendment before this Raid ends.
Wish I had whiff 4 times in a row,least I could get a roleforce then and do some actual damage. can't even get the roleforce because "hit into block" followed by "hit into block" followed by whiff, followed by"hit into block"
100%.. my first couple fights with him I was getting Whiff spam and it was super frustrating, but after playing him more, block hits (especially because it's 5) is way more infuriating.. the Whiffs (3) are 100% annoying and dangerous if you attempt more than 2 at most at a time, but the block hits take the longest to complete with his AI and when he starts spamming block hits again and again, you know the run is dead before it started
Seems Kabam at the moment are really good at killing the fun of the game - this new Raids Boss and SoS opponents are current examples. I play less and less these days
New SoS opponents are fine. Just say that you refuse to try and leave
Yes, actually enjoying 🆘.. difficult ✅ fun ✅ - it's actually making me learn skills that I was too lazy to bother learning otherwise.. I have an Ascended Havok, for example lol and I often choose to bypass reverse controls.. so really enjoying these last 2 🆘 Bosses cause they made me better (I'm now good at Onslaught and Reverse Controls as a result) Reminds me of the original Act 6 when No Retreat first came out.. I was one of the weirdos who loved it, because it forced me to learn the timing to interrupt a lot of champs multi part heavies, etc.. it made me better
Difficult isn't the word I'd use for this Modok fight (I posted footage of not being hit on my second attempt with him, that wasn't the problem.. it's that I didn't really hit him either in 3 minutes 😂) it's just simply frustrating design imo
When completing prompts with titania im not getting any raid fervor. Am i missing something? Is anyone else experiencing this?
I am using her and she doesnt seem the best for this fight (in addition to the difficult prompts that dont cause damage). It's especially difficult when her prompt is hit into block and she has haymaker ready and he's turtling so you cant stay back with the timer running down.
5 Whiff prompts in a row is terrific game design. Genius.
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Really frustrated two prompt are very frequently popping up whiff attack and hit on block....are we supposed to deal damge...my bg managed this fight somehow...my 4-5 revive got wasted by doing this bs whiff and hit on block prompt...
I used ig Ironman... against iron man he is getting way too much power while hitting on block... becuase of modok ability...
In my alliance other 2 bgs still suffering. I don't think they will be able to complete it.. and they will miss the reward after putting so much effort...
And the fact is kabam is just silent on this great kabam . You guys are doing great job. This was my last raid. I would rather save my glory to purchase rankup material not for this kind of bs fight.
@Kabam Jax@Kabam Crashed guys do something. If you can't do atleast say something as community maneger...
People who think that aegon and titania are the worst champs for MODOK haven't tried domino. Her AAR reduction can still fail the fervor so even if you complete a challenge it doesnt mean that you actually get the damage boost or the undermine. The worst thing I've seen so far (even worse than the permanent shock on you during the guardian fight) is that MODOK autoblocks her first medium attack and immediately counterattacks because the medium attack has 2 hits. I cant even build up my prowess while he's not stunned, and when he goes unblockable I cant stun him at all.
This is another example of kabam completely underestimating the terrible interactions that happen in this fight, and we have to pay for it. They probably didnt even test this at all, they just used someone like hulkling and figured that everyone else works as well.
Lot of problems with this fight. Many are already laid out in the thread but I'll go ahead and repeat the worst ones for my BG and add a thing or two I didn't see in here yet.
2/3 prompts that require doing no damage in a 3 min fight is pretty dumb. Especially when they seem to repeat themselves back to back.
The number of times we need to whiff and hit into block should be reduced. Or just change the missions to something different.
This undermine we get for playing how we're asked to is working against us on this fight. How are we supposed to complete hit into block with undermine on?
The champ selection and/or buff selection has a lot of useless stuff in it. DoT champs are still horribly undsrpowered.
The penance thing for the raid in general seems like a cool idea but needs to be drastically reworked on some of these fights. MODOK's in particular.
Someone said earlier that your data won't show you how much fun people are having playing the game. Please keep this in mind. You'll see many people push through and complete it this time. Doesn't mean we'll be willing to do it again without some changes to how this is balanced. Thanks for your efforts.
I convinced our 3rd BG to try raids this go around. Feel like I just convinced them to 100% waste their resources because of this stupid modok fight. Great I spend 3 minutes hitting block and whiffing! Woo hoo.
The fight's definitely trickier than anything in the last Raid but it's still doable. We will see what the data says but I suspect by the 2nd or 3rd cycle players will have sorted out the best champions, gotten some more practice on the fight, and most Alliances will be back to clearing the map before the mid-week revive reset. Again we will see what the data shows, but on the surface it doesn't seem outside the acceptable tuning window.
Who are you using Kabam Crashed? Just curious. r3 HB here.
R2 Ironman. I struggled with my first few MODOK fights as my role boosts needs armor ups to trigger Undermine with boss missions, and generating armor ups was a challenge through his auto block, but I eventually got the hang of it and got a solid run in before others in my Alliance finished him off. Like I said, definitely tricky, but I'm pretty confident with a little more practice it won't be too bad.
Hi crashed, I had an easy time with all 3 fights but for some reason with modok i have done all the prompts with cgr but cant get any role charges on cgr any reason why? also I have more the 8 charges as well set up for me but no matter how many prompts i do i cant get my charges to do any damage is this a bug? thanks in advance
Same here actually. With Unparalelled Buffs Adam I should, after a short ramp up, be getting a charge for 4-5 missions. That's just not happening and no matter how long the fight lasted, how many tasks I did and how many buffs I had on at the time, I seem to get no increase in damage and generate no crossfight charges.
Did we even get any response from higher ups except that one post that boils down to "git gud"?
People who think that aegon and titania are the worst champs for MODOK haven't tried domino. Her AAR reduction can still fail the fervor so even if you complete a challenge it doesnt mean that you actually get the damage boost or the undermine. The worst thing I've seen so far (even worse than the permanent shock on you during the guardian fight) is that MODOK autoblocks her first medium attack and immediately counterattacks because the medium attack has 2 hits. I cant even build up my prowess while he's not stunned, and when he goes unblockable I cant stun him at all.
This is another example of kabam completely underestimating the terrible interactions that happen in this fight, and we have to pay for it. They probably didnt even test this at all, they just used someone like hulkling and figured that everyone else works as well.
Great job.
literally what has been happening to me with domino, glad im not the only one. Kabam really can't design the assault pool to do anything useful in raids
Yea this is absolute garbage. I enjoyed raids and I felt like it brought some life back to AQ, because at least I get tickets during the normal boring AQ, so that gave a reason for that, then the raids were so fun, plus if you finished fast, you got a break from them. This new raid is not fun at all. Literally didn’t like any of the new defenders/nodes, while the other bosses weren’t that tricky to actually beat, it still wasn’t fun at all. And the modok fight seems like it wasn’t tested properly. I got back to back hit his block prompts over and over, so I literally never got a chance to deal any good real damage. If this isn’t changed or adjusted me and my alliance will just stop AQ/raids all together. Not worth it any more.
Look, I know it's the weekend and I know Kabam is always slow to respond, but a simple "we will analyze the data" would have been nice. Radio silence on something that is clearly an issue is NOT okay. The fight is bugged, overly challenging, and clearly a step in the wrong direction.
Look, I know it's the weekend and I know Kabam is always slow to respond, but a simple "we will analyze the data" would have been nice. Radio silence on something that is clearly an issue is NOT okay. The fight is bugged, overly challenging, and clearly a step in the wrong direction.
They laid off a significant portion of the community team. I don't think Netmarble even cares if you get a response from the poor community guys that are picking up the slack.
Modok is also not giving fervor upon completion of prompts. I got several block hits and whiff attack missions but none gave any fervor. Only got fervor for knock down. Here is a video. I started recording after nearly 1.5mins and you can see how much fervor I gained. Must have completed 8-10prompts prior to the recording. https://youtu.be/gbrFkeZmKJg?feature=shared
It seems they've cranked up the Modok AI even further. Hyper aggressive, so rarely holds block; and on top of that each of the prompts keep repeating multiple times at the most inopportune times. This fight design is just exploitative and total BS. And on top of that, one input lag/miss will end the fight.
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So basically… Let’s all throw units at Revives for a Mistake of a boss that Kabam created.
MODOK mixed with BAD NODES combined with awful AI, RNG etc.
Our Alliance has emptied revive stash and MODOK is still at 75%.
Side note… 200 units for 1 revive and barely scratching 1% damage off of MODOK. It’s an expense no one in our Alliance wants to feel.
We hope this can be investigated further and some sort of amendment before this Raid ends.
Difficult isn't the word I'd use for this Modok fight (I posted footage of not being hit on my second attempt with him, that wasn't the problem.. it's that I didn't really hit him either in 3 minutes 😂) it's just simply frustrating design imo
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I used ig Ironman... against iron man he is getting way too much power while hitting on block... becuase of modok ability...
In my alliance other 2 bgs still suffering. I don't think they will be able to complete it.. and they will miss the reward after putting so much effort...
And the fact is kabam is just silent on this great kabam . You guys are doing great job. This was my last raid. I would rather save my glory to purchase rankup material not for this kind of bs fight.
@Kabam Jax @Kabam Crashed guys do something. If you can't do atleast say something as community maneger...
Her AAR reduction can still fail the fervor so even if you complete a challenge it doesnt mean that you actually get the damage boost or the undermine.
The worst thing I've seen so far (even worse than the permanent shock on you during the guardian fight) is that MODOK autoblocks her first medium attack and immediately counterattacks because the medium attack has 2 hits. I cant even build up my prowess while he's not stunned, and when he goes unblockable I cant stun him at all.
This is another example of kabam completely underestimating the terrible interactions that happen in this fight, and we have to pay for it. They probably didnt even test this at all, they just used someone like hulkling and figured that everyone else works as well.
Great job.
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2/3 prompts that require doing no damage in a 3 min fight is pretty dumb. Especially when they seem to repeat themselves back to back.
The number of times we need to whiff and hit into block should be reduced. Or just change the missions to something different.
This undermine we get for playing how we're asked to is working against us on this fight. How are we supposed to complete hit into block with undermine on?
The champ selection and/or buff selection has a lot of useless stuff in it. DoT champs are still horribly undsrpowered.
The penance thing for the raid in general seems like a cool idea but needs to be drastically reworked on some of these fights. MODOK's in particular.
Someone said earlier that your data won't show you how much fun people are having playing the game. Please keep this in mind. You'll see many people push through and complete it this time. Doesn't mean we'll be willing to do it again without some changes to how this is balanced.
Thanks for your efforts.
Did we even get any response from higher ups except that one post that boils down to "git gud"?