Damage comparison on my 7 star r3s

For these champs, 550k hp should be a walk in the park considering their rank, but I must admit, there’s one in particular that seems a bit disappointing…

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SecondSkriller

Now I always liked this one. Yes.... Synergies in place and suicides, but, class disadvantage... And Rank 1, not rank 3....

39 seconds. Which is faster than most of my 36, R2/r3s/5/65 ascended.

Yeah but it’s 2 minutes without everything, I have her at r1 aswell. She should get a damage buff.

SecondSkriller

For a pure nuke with bad performance in longer fights, Prowler is scoring a disappointing number… how do Silk, Hulk and Titania outdamage him by so much WITH CLASS DISADVANTAGE? I was always a bit skeptical about his numbers, but it seems it’s true, he’s really not at the right level for a nuke and it’s not like he would perform better against a 350k healthpool except against Titania who goes for her sp3 and it’s over…
Prowler isn’t a straight nuke. He’s a utility powerhouse with a high skill ceiling to get the most out of him. The fact that he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as champs like Hulk, Titania, and Silk (all of whom get their big damage from furies or other effects which are not severely impacted by class disadvantage), is very impressive.
I disagree completely, his skill ceiling is not that high and he’s got utility that fails to address healing and prowess. Apart from his evade counter he’s really not special in the tech class unless he’s a nuke.
I agree his ceiling isn't that high.
But I'd say it's okay to be different/unique, and for that uniqueness to be your selling point without the damage being 'special'. His Falter mechanic is incredibly versatile, for avoiding attacks, or gaining openings.

His primary damage mechanism (Rupture passives, and Physical Burst damage) is unique for Techs; and if it relied on something other than Incinerate (which opponents can be immune to) then it would be more than enough to justify taking him up as a champion that can tick a lot of boxes, and hold a place in your roster.

His damage not actually being based on Incinerate, but relying on it is an annoying design. If it relied on a different effect (a Rupture debuff, Cowardice debuff, Physical Vulnerability debuff or something) then it would be far more widely applicable, and make him a much better option against opponents like Havoc, Bishop and Onslaught.

I believe he compensates with the class advantage against mutants, the incinerate counts for about 22% of his damage output, so the lack of it shouldn’t be felt against mutants. On the other hand, he relies on crits so his damage is not as reliable if you don’t have him awakened and can line up the falter with the sp2.
Even so, the damage is too low, I wish he would be able to put up atleast a 47 second score against WS considering how every single one of the other champs beats him in long form content.

BigPoppaCBONE

For a pure nuke with bad performance in longer fights, Prowler is scoring a disappointing number… how do Silk, Hulk and Titania outdamage him by so much WITH CLASS DISADVANTAGE? I was always a bit skeptical about his numbers, but it seems it’s true, he’s really not at the right level for a nuke and it’s not like he would perform better against a 350k healthpool except against Titania who goes for her sp3 and it’s over…
Prowler isn’t a straight nuke. He’s a utility powerhouse with a high skill ceiling to get the most out of him. The fact that he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as champs like Hulk, Titania, and Silk (all of whom get their big damage from furies or other effects which are not severely impacted by class disadvantage), is very impressive.
I disagree completely, his skill ceiling is not that high and he’s got utility that fails to address healing and prowess. Apart from his evade counter he’s really not special in the tech class unless he’s a nuke.
I agree his ceiling isn't that high.
But I'd say it's okay to be different/unique, and for that uniqueness to be your selling point without the damage being 'special'. His Falter mechanic is incredibly versatile, for avoiding attacks, or gaining openings.

His primary damage mechanism (Rupture passives, and Physical Burst damage) is unique for Techs; and if it relied on something other than Incinerate (which opponents can be immune to) then it would be more than enough to justify taking him up as a champion that can tick a lot of boxes, and hold a place in your roster.

His damage not actually being based on Incinerate, but relying on it is an annoying design. If it relied on a different effect (a Rupture debuff, Cowardice debuff, Physical Vulnerability debuff or something) then it would be far more widely applicable, and make him a much better option against opponents like Havoc, Bishop and Onslaught.
I believe he compensates with the class advantage against mutants, the incinerate counts for about 22% of his damage output, so the lack of it shouldn’t be felt against mutants. On the other hand, he relies on crits so his damage is not as reliable if you don’t have him awakened and can line up the falter with the sp2.
Even so, the damage is too low, I wish he would be able to put up atleast a 47 second score against WS considering how every single one of the other champs beats him in long form content.

Are you saying by itself, or are you including his ruptures exploding when incinerated in that 22%?

SecondSkriller

For a pure nuke with bad performance in longer fights, Prowler is scoring a disappointing number… how do Silk, Hulk and Titania outdamage him by so much WITH CLASS DISADVANTAGE? I was always a bit skeptical about his numbers, but it seems it’s true, he’s really not at the right level for a nuke and it’s not like he would perform better against a 350k healthpool except against Titania who goes for her sp3 and it’s over…
Prowler isn’t a straight nuke. He’s a utility powerhouse with a high skill ceiling to get the most out of him. The fact that he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as champs like Hulk, Titania, and Silk (all of whom get their big damage from furies or other effects which are not severely impacted by class disadvantage), is very impressive.
I disagree completely, his skill ceiling is not that high and he’s got utility that fails to address healing and prowess. Apart from his evade counter he’s really not special in the tech class unless he’s a nuke.
I agree his ceiling isn't that high.
But I'd say it's okay to be different/unique, and for that uniqueness to be your selling point without the damage being 'special'. His Falter mechanic is incredibly versatile, for avoiding attacks, or gaining openings.

His primary damage mechanism (Rupture passives, and Physical Burst damage) is unique for Techs; and if it relied on something other than Incinerate (which opponents can be immune to) then it would be more than enough to justify taking him up as a champion that can tick a lot of boxes, and hold a place in your roster.

His damage not actually being based on Incinerate, but relying on it is an annoying design. If it relied on a different effect (a Rupture debuff, Cowardice debuff, Physical Vulnerability debuff or something) then it would be far more widely applicable, and make him a much better option against opponents like Havoc, Bishop and Onslaught.
I believe he compensates with the class advantage against mutants, the incinerate counts for about 22% of his damage output, so the lack of it shouldn’t be felt against mutants. On the other hand, he relies on crits so his damage is not as reliable if you don’t have him awakened and can line up the falter with the sp2.
Even so, the damage is too low, I wish he would be able to put up atleast a 47 second score against WS considering how every single one of the other champs beats him in long form content.
Are you saying by itself, or are you including his ruptures exploding when incinerated in that 22%?

I’m only talking about the explosion, the incinerate itself barely does damage.

ThatGuyYouSaw235

For a pure nuke with bad performance in longer fights, Prowler is scoring a disappointing number… how do Silk, Hulk and Titania outdamage him by so much WITH CLASS DISADVANTAGE? I was always a bit skeptical about his numbers, but it seems it’s true, he’s really not at the right level for a nuke and it’s not like he would perform better against a 350k healthpool except against Titania who goes for her sp3 and it’s over…
Prowler isn’t a straight nuke. He’s a utility powerhouse with a high skill ceiling to get the most out of him. The fact that he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as champs like Hulk, Titania, and Silk (all of whom get their big damage from furies or other effects which are not severely impacted by class disadvantage), is very impressive.
I disagree completely, his skill ceiling is not that high and he’s got utility that fails to address healing and prowess. Apart from his evade counter he’s really not special in the tech class unless he’s a nuke.
I agree his ceiling isn't that high.
But I'd say it's okay to be different/unique, and for that uniqueness to be your selling point without the damage being 'special'. His Falter mechanic is incredibly versatile, for avoiding attacks, or gaining openings.

His primary damage mechanism (Rupture passives, and Physical Burst damage) is unique for Techs; and if it relied on something other than Incinerate (which opponents can be immune to) then it would be more than enough to justify taking him up as a champion that can tick a lot of boxes, and hold a place in your roster.

His damage not actually being based on Incinerate, but relying on it is an annoying design. If it relied on a different effect (a Rupture debuff, Cowardice debuff, Physical Vulnerability debuff or something) then it would be far more widely applicable, and make him a much better option against opponents like Havoc, Bishop and Onslaught.
I believe he compensates with the class advantage against mutants, the incinerate counts for about 22% of his damage output, so the lack of it shouldn’t be felt against mutants. On the other hand, he relies on crits so his damage is not as reliable if you don’t have him awakened and can line up the falter with the sp2.
Even so, the damage is too low, I wish he would be able to put up atleast a 47 second score against WS considering how every single one of the other champs beats him in long form content.
Are you saying by itself, or are you including his ruptures exploding when incinerated in that 22%?
I’m only talking about the explosion, the incinerate itself barely does damage.

it's like it's not his main source of damage and is instead a way to allow the ruptures to do more damage

Stone3x

My go with the ol cagey, could've done it like 2ish seconds faster but WS sat on 1% at the end off sp1 🥲
No synergies? If so that’s impressive, I’d love one from the titans.

I had a few synergies to increase damage and crit rate slighty but went In with no syns and did it in like 50 seconds so not much difference, can defs punch out big numbers by himself

NONYABIZZ

I don't really think the time matters much
Some champs take longer to reach their damage rotation. Prowler just took longer and I assume 2 damage rotations to finish the fight.
Some champs are straight nukes and would probably finish in just one damage rotation and some champs take longer but excel in longer matchups.
That’s straight up wrong, Prowler has immediate access to his damage, he doesn’t have a ramp.

He does not have immediate access to his damage because he needs to:
1.Bait specials
2. Time hits correctly so as not to give the opponent too much power than is needed for his power lock etc
3. GET TO AN SP2 (which by the way is his only source of damage)
That being said he "DOES NOT" have immediate access to damage because he only has one damage source and you need to get to it to do decent damage.

Champs who have immediate access to their damage would be champs who can do damage from the start like cheeilth(dot). Silk who has great base damage cos of her vulnerabilities.
Spider ham,Kate bishop, tigra etc

SecondSkriller

I don't really think the time matters much
Some champs take longer to reach their damage rotation. Prowler just took longer and I assume 2 damage rotations to finish the fight.
Some champs are straight nukes and would probably finish in just one damage rotation and some champs take longer but excel in longer matchups.
That’s straight up wrong, Prowler has immediate access to his damage, he doesn’t have a ramp.
He does not have immediate access to his damage because he needs to:
1.Bait specials
2. Time hits correctly so as not to give the opponent too much power than is needed for his power lock etc
3. GET TO AN SP2 (which by the way is his only source of damage)
That being said he "DOES NOT" have immediate access to damage because he only has one damage source and you need to get to it to do decent damage.

Champs who have immediate access to their damage would be champs who can do damage from the start like cheeilth(dot). Silk who has great base damage cos of her vulnerabilities.
Spider ham,Kate bishop, tigra etc

Straight up wrong, he deals a lot of damage with his basics when his fury is up. Also, it seems like you don’t know how to play him, since it’s extremely easy to get 25+ furies by going for MLLLM ML MLLLM block and then MLL. Then you bait a special parry heavy and then sp2.

NONYABIZZ

@SecondSkriller got prowler and a tech gem and RELUCTANTLY gemmed him to rank 3 unduped and yh, it's bad out here
For reference, that's a r4 ascended cheeilth
2024 champs now need r3 to be DECENT attackers
Ohh kabam

SecondSkriller

@SecondSkriller got prowler and a tech gem and RELUCTANTLY gemmed him to rank 3 unduped and yh, it's bad out here
For reference, that's a r4 ascended cheeilth
2024 champs now need r3 to be DECENT attackers
Ohh kabam

You can get that number much lower, mine’s also unduped, but yes his damage is nothing special.

NONYABIZZ

@SecondSkriller got prowler and a tech gem and RELUCTANTLY gemmed him to rank 3 unduped and yh, it's bad out here
For reference, that's a r4 ascended cheeilth
2024 champs now need r3 to be DECENT attackers
Ohh kabam
You can get that number much lower, mine’s also unduped, but yes his damage is nothing special.

How are you getting over 100k rupture damage. UNDUPED for that matter. I just had a fight with class advantage and final fights stats show 77k damage from rupture are you running any damage masteries or BOOSTS?

SecondSkriller

@SecondSkriller got prowler and a tech gem and RELUCTANTLY gemmed him to rank 3 unduped and yh, it's bad out here
For reference, that's a r4 ascended cheeilth
2024 champs now need r3 to be DECENT attackers
Ohh kabam
You can get that number much lower, mine’s also unduped, but yes his damage is nothing special.
How are you getting over 100k rupture damage. UNDUPED for that matter. I just had a fight with class advantage and final fights stats show 77k damage from rupture are you running any damage masteries or BOOSTS?

I run 1 point in glass cannon and that’s it. He gets mutants down in 49 seconds in RoL but with luck or high sig that can go down to 40. I think the most important part is being aggressive and not caring about lining stuff up. Pound the opponent and launch those sp2s quick