Viv Vision… latest victim of AI “fixes”

BigBlueOx · July 11

Loving this new AI interaction where I “phase” a basic hit and the AI immediately dexs away at speeds faster than light from my counter attack. Completely neuters her kit. We need an update on what is going on with AI… you guys are killing peoples favorite champs with these updates to the AI

Bugmat78 · July 11

I feel this had been happening to me for months with Mr. Negative. I can never hit the defender after his evade, unlike Elsa etc. always an enforced delay where i can't dash forward and when i eventually can they've dexed and parry me.

A problem with Viv is worrying as that's the foundation of her kit

Lokx · July 11

This has happened to me when i have been facing kindred in bg. He does his sp1, i dash in before final hit, block the last projectile and go in for the hit, he dexed away.

It’s bad because his kit is about punishing his specials but if i can’t do that then his DOT is inevitable.

EdisonLaw · July 11

I'm hoping Deathless Vision isn't like this

Eb0ny-O-M4w · July 11

Kingpin has had this AI bug as well. Opponent attacks him mid heavy and immediately dex back

Vanitelia · July 11

They are also dexing out of Chavez's heavy after being struck on the first hit. Happened a couple of time in BG's. Not the best place to experience it.

SirGamesBond · July 11

BigBlueOx said:
Loving this new AI interaction where I “phase” a basic hit and the AI immediately dexs away at speeds faster than light from my counter attack. Completely neuters her kit. We need an update on what is going on with AI… you guys are killing peoples favorite champs with these updates to the AI

Same thing for titty gurl. Start with heavy they Dex away.
Same for people using their aegons in necro.

Buttehrs · July 11

SirGamesBond said:

BigBlueOx said:
Loving this new AI interaction where I “phase” a basic hit and the AI immediately dexs away at speeds faster than light from my counter attack. Completely neuters her kit. We need an update on what is going on with AI… you guys are killing peoples favorite champs with these updates to the AI
Same thing for titty gurl. Start with heavy they Dex away.
Same for people using their aegons in necro.

.....who?

BigBlueOx · July 11

SirGamesBond said:

BigBlueOx said:
Loving this new AI interaction where I “phase” a basic hit and the AI immediately dexs away at speeds faster than light from my counter attack. Completely neuters her kit. We need an update on what is going on with AI… you guys are killing peoples favorite champs with these updates to the AI
Same thing for titty gurl. Start with heavy they Dex away.
Same for people using their aegons in necro.

Good addition her first hit of her heavy whiffs now when it used to connect into dashes, and as a result it’s completely nerfed her ability to start fights with a heavy.

BigBlueOx · July 11

EdisonLaw said:
I'm hoping Deathless Vision isn't like this

I’m not holding my breath now. Viv is boarder line unusable like this

ahmynuts · July 11

Okay, I was curious, so I tested this. Wtf is happening? She's actually almost unplayable 💀💀

Colinwhitworth69 · July 11

Report the issue in game.

Average_Desi · July 11

Happened with aegon in incursions

BigBlueOx · July 11

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Report the issue in game.

Honest question, how and where? I just looked at support and there is nothing for AI interactions like this? And is it a bug? It’s a change in AI behavior that spoils Viv’s kit. Another in a list of mechanics that have become unpredictable or even downright unreliable.

-Spots’s portal block incites heavy attack spam now (ironically block baiting with other champs you might get to count to 10 before they throw the heavy)

-Zemo’s Root almost results in the AI holding block routinely, good luck following up the sp2 with a sp1 (tons of video evidence of this one)

-infuriate and intimidate reliability is far far less

-Reparrying AI can happen not only to double medium champs but all champs now

-try charging a heavy with Mr. Negative lately?

-champs that need to hit block no longer can manipulate AI as easily, hell I’ve seen the AI intentionally faceblock hits they would gladly parry other champs for, oh and there’s that new reparry risk. (Hulkling, Masacre and Valkyrie just got nerfed in competitive content, use at your own risk)

-specials can be dex’d

-AI rarely plays into Ghost now

At this point we could probably make AI Bingo cards…

Bugmat78 · July 11

SirGamesBond said:

BigBlueOx said:
Loving this new AI interaction where I “phase” a basic hit and the AI immediately dexs away at speeds faster than light from my counter attack. Completely neuters her kit. We need an update on what is going on with AI… you guys are killing peoples favorite champs with these updates to the AI
Same thing for titty gurl. Start with heavy they Dex away.
Same for people using their aegons in necro.

Yes i forgot that. Happens all the time with her now.

And yes during my zone 15 run it happened 2 or 3 times with aegon so i just stopped trying

Bugmat78 · July 11

BigBlueOx said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Report the issue in game.
Honest question, how and where? I just looked at support and there is nothing for AI interactions like this? And is it a bug? It’s a change in AI behavior that spoils Viv’s kit. Another in a list of mechanics that have become unpredictable or even downright unreliable.

-Spots’s portal block incites heavy attack spam now (ironically block baiting with other champs you might get to count to 10 before they throw the heavy)

-Zemo’s Root almost results in the AI holding block routinely, good luck following up the sp2 with a sp1 (tons of video evidence of this one)

-infuriate and intimidate reliability is far far less

-Reparrying AI can happen not only to double medium champs but all champs now

-try charging a heavy with Mr. Negative lately?

-champs that need to hit block no longer can manipulate AI as easily, hell I’ve seen the AI intentionally faceblock hits they would gladly parry other champs for, oh and there’s that new reparry risk. (Hulkling, Masacre and Valkyrie just got nerfed in competitive content, use at your own risk)

-specials can be dex’d

-AI rarely plays into Ghost now

At this point we could probably make AI Bingo cards…

These are quite annoying. I like spot but he's so much work now that they only try to heavy 2/3 of the time.

Zemo I'm tried of talking about.

ahmynuts · July 11

BigBlueOx said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Report the issue in game.
Honest question, how and where? I just looked at support and there is nothing for AI interactions like this? And is it a bug? It’s a change in AI behavior that spoils Viv’s kit. Another in a list of mechanics that have become unpredictable or even downright unreliable.

-Spots’s portal block incites heavy attack spam now (ironically block baiting with other champs you might get to count to 10 before they throw the heavy)

-Zemo’s Root almost results in the AI holding block routinely, good luck following up the sp2 with a sp1 (tons of video evidence of this one)

-infuriate and intimidate reliability is far far less

-Reparrying AI can happen not only to double medium champs but all champs now

-try charging a heavy with Mr. Negative lately?

-champs that need to hit block no longer can manipulate AI as easily, hell I’ve seen the AI intentionally faceblock hits they would gladly parry other champs for, oh and there’s that new reparry risk. (Hulkling, Masacre and Valkyrie just got nerfed in competitive content, use at your own risk)

-specials can be dex’d

-AI rarely plays into Ghost now

At this point we could probably make AI Bingo cards…

DLL mentioned a temporary reliable workaround to that mister negative one in his Patriot video

WhiteKnight · July 11

ahmynuts said:

BigBlueOx said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Report the issue in game.
Honest question, how and where? I just looked at support and there is nothing for AI interactions like this? And is it a bug? It’s a change in AI behavior that spoils Viv’s kit. Another in a list of mechanics that have become unpredictable or even downright unreliable.

-Spots’s portal block incites heavy attack spam now (ironically block baiting with other champs you might get to count to 10 before they throw the heavy)

-Zemo’s Root almost results in the AI holding block routinely, good luck following up the sp2 with a sp1 (tons of video evidence of this one)

-infuriate and intimidate reliability is far far less

-Reparrying AI can happen not only to double medium champs but all champs now

-try charging a heavy with Mr. Negative lately?

-champs that need to hit block no longer can manipulate AI as easily, hell I’ve seen the AI intentionally faceblock hits they would gladly parry other champs for, oh and there’s that new reparry risk. (Hulkling, Masacre and Valkyrie just got nerfed in competitive content, use at your own risk)

-specials can be dex’d

-AI rarely plays into Ghost now

At this point we could probably make AI Bingo cards…
DLL mentioned a temporary reliable workaround to that mister negative one in his Patriot video

Can add scorp to this, hold heavy waiting for dash in and the ai is more likely to walk upto me and light than actually dash and the heavy special intercept is huge for him

BigBlueOx · July 12

ahmynuts said:

BigBlueOx said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Report the issue in game.
Honest question, how and where? I just looked at support and there is nothing for AI interactions like this? And is it a bug? It’s a change in AI behavior that spoils Viv’s kit. Another in a list of mechanics that have become unpredictable or even downright unreliable.

-Spots’s portal block incites heavy attack spam now (ironically block baiting with other champs you might get to count to 10 before they throw the heavy)

-Zemo’s Root almost results in the AI holding block routinely, good luck following up the sp2 with a sp1 (tons of video evidence of this one)

-infuriate and intimidate reliability is far far less

-Reparrying AI can happen not only to double medium champs but all champs now

-try charging a heavy with Mr. Negative lately?

-champs that need to hit block no longer can manipulate AI as easily, hell I’ve seen the AI intentionally faceblock hits they would gladly parry other champs for, oh and there’s that new reparry risk. (Hulkling, Masacre and Valkyrie just got nerfed in competitive content, use at your own risk)

-specials can be dex’d

-AI rarely plays into Ghost now

At this point we could probably make AI Bingo cards…
DLL mentioned a temporary reliable workaround to that mister negative one in his Patriot video

Yeah you can hold block to bait the dash then charge the heavy after the first hit… but how long will that be reliable? Get ready for an AI that dashes in hits your block once and dashes away and waits you out to safely punish.

Viv Vision… latest victim of AI “fixes”

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