America Chavez (sig 20) or Onslaught (unduped) as next R3 7*?

RKO_meRKO_me Member Posts: 175 ★
edited July 2024 in General Discussion
Here are my current R3 7*’s. For context, I do not do AQ or AW. I do enough battlegrounds to get into gladiator circuit. I’m basically looking for the best choice for battlegrounds, end game content and end game long form content I.e. necropolis. Thanks for the help!

America Chavez (sig 20) or Onslaught (unduped) as next R3 7*? 100 votes

America Chavez sig 20
56%
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Onslaught (unduped)
44%
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  • SammyDeSammyDe Member Posts: 1,112 ★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    I saw MSD used Onslaught and those neuroshocks stacks! Although I also saw one where he used a 2* Starlord in SoS, so user experience will vary.
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    America Chavez sig 20
    RKO_me said:

    Here are my current R3 7*’s. For context, I do not do AQ or AW. I do enough battlegrounds to get into gladiator circuit. I’m basically looking for the best choice for battlegrounds, end game content and end game long form content I.e. necropolis. Thanks for the help!

    Both are amazing - onslaught is a strong attacker in longer fights and a decent defender (he's less menacing on defense now). Chavez is a brilliant attacker overall and she too has fallen off on defense unless your opponent is a total noob. My vote goes to chavez simply because of how many fights she can take and end in seconds with a full yellow bar.
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    edited July 2024
    America Chavez sig 20
    smdam38 said:

    Easy with the noob talk. I still can’t fight her well.
    Never mind, you’re right. I’m just bad at the game in general.

    I mean I have taken her down with cosmics and other unideal attackers. Don't let her throw a heavy and she's no longer a special defender. Her AI also seems a lot more predictable than when she was first released which is what made her such an annoying POS defender. Now that she rarely ever throws random heavies, she gets shut down pretty easily
  • EddieVanWEddieVanW Member Posts: 39 ★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    This is like choosing between pizza and cheeseburgers, but I vote Onslaught. At one point, I had an awakened AC & unduped Onslaught at R3, and I got more value out of Onslaught. If he doesn’t get banned in BGs, he’s as close to a guaranteed W as it gets as both an attacker and defender. But, the same can also be said about AC, so you really can’t go wrong!
  • RKO_meRKO_me Member Posts: 175 ★
    EddieVanW said:

    This is like choosing between pizza and cheeseburgers, but I vote Onslaught. At one point, I had an awakened AC & unduped Onslaught at R3, and I got more value out of Onslaught. If he doesn’t get banned in BGs, he’s as close to a guaranteed W as it gets as both an attacker and defender. But, the same can also be said about AC, so you really can’t go wrong!

    Who’s the pizza in this equation? Because I choose pizza.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,593 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    America Chavez sig 20
    captain_rogers said:

    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret

    even venom takes him out with nearly a full yellow bar in like less than 50 seconds bro he's no defense monster and like dude doesn't even take damage from the bleeds
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,593 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret

    even venom takes him out with nearly a full yellow bar in like less than 50 seconds bro he's no defense monster and like dude doesn't even take damage from the bleeds
    Name top 5 bg defenders rn then we can decide.

    Agreed, His value fell down after that sos event, But He is a great staller. Dude got like really long sp1 that literally takes like 7-10 seconds to complete and launch a another combo he is back to another sp1.

    Can't go for sp2 cuz of reverse controls. Chip damage from neuroshocks, wierd AI can't parry turn off wp so we can't heal the chip damage from neuroshocks can't use one third of champs who are metal, who are skill, and who apply unavoidable energy dots. Crush is just the icing on the cake.
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    America Chavez sig 20
    captain_rogers said:

    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret

    even venom takes him out with nearly a full yellow bar in like less than 50 seconds bro he's no defense monster and like dude doesn't even take damage from the bleeds
    Name top 5 bg defenders rn then we can decide.

    Agreed, His value fell down after that sos event, But He is a great staller. Dude got like really long sp1 that literally takes like 7-10 seconds to complete and launch a another combo he is back to another sp1.

    Can't go for sp2 cuz of reverse controls. Chip damage from neuroshocks, wierd AI can't parry turn off wp so we can't heal the chip damage from neuroshocks can't use one third of champs who are metal, who are skill, and who apply unavoidable energy dots. Crush is just the icing on the cake.
    I acknowledged Onslaught being a better defender than Chavez. But thats not the point. You can do Onslaught with almost anyone that doesn't deal energy damage - even metal champs. Someone like gamora blows him out of the water in seconds. Mantis vs onslaught is an instant win for mantis. He's a staller only in lower BG levels. Cross GC and people stop banning him altogether. How do I know? I was one among those people and I have come across hundreds of such players last season. Most ppl stopped banning him once I hit GC and ppl stopped giving a sh1t about him altogether once I hit like arcane lol. He's really not a defensive threat anymore even with all the annoying abilities. On the other hand, the reason why Chavez is leading the poll is simply because she's a quick and effective attacker even in matchups she's not supposed to be good at. She has insane sustainability in almost every scenario, has freakishly crazy damage right off the bat, has utility thats super relevant in most metas and is simply an easy champ to play. Chavez definitely takes the cake as the better attacker in short and medium fights.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,593 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    You still haven't named 5 defenders who are better than Onslaught.

    I agree Onslaught is not Bullseye or Serpent level threat, But he is certainly a Photon level threat.

    If this was a poll between chavez and bullseye even I would've went with chavez. But this is between chavez and onslaught.

    One side we have a 9/10 defender and 9/10 attacker, on the other we have a 7/10 defender and 10/10 attacker.

    Also Op wants to do necro so Onslaught seems to be the better option.
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    edited July 2024
    America Chavez sig 20
    captain_rogers said:

    You still haven't named 5 defenders who are better than Onslaught.

    I agree Onslaught is not Bullseye or Serpent level threat, But he is certainly a Photon level threat.

    If this was a poll between chavez and bullseye even I would've went with chavez. But this is between chavez and onslaught.

    One side we have a 9/10 defender and 9/10 attacker, on the other we have a 7/10 defender and 10/10 attacker.

    Also Op wants to do necro so Onslaught seems to be the better option.

    Naming top 5 defenders is a moot point. I did acknowledge that onslaught is a better defender than chavez but that doesn't change the fact that he's largely ineffective once you hit a certain level and if you are going to invest in a champ for mainly their defensive prowess and they stop being a defensive threat after a certain point, then it's not a smart investment. Like I said, even metal champs blow him out of the water, bleeders like venom bully him, hulkling, mantis, hulk, titania, etc are just some of the few meta attackers that thrash him. As for necro, there are better champs that don't need as big of an investment as taking to r3. Sure, onslaught works wonderfully but OP isn't even gonna want to use him in Necro if he has better options like Kate and Wong. I'm just reiterating my point here again as to why Chavez is a better contender for rank 3 over onsalught. He's probably gonna get more use out of chavez - especially when she's an attacker thats capable of taking on most meta defenders (including serpent, even bullseye lol)
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,593 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    if chavez can take serpent then onslaught can cheese bullseye. Even tho he is a little slow on attack, onslaught can still take most skill defenders in bgs just with a one sp1, one sp2 combo.

    Every champ has counters who can do them in 30 secs (Except maybe serpent). Onslaught is a top 5 defender and is generally a better champ overall than chavez.

    You are just ignoring the two important needs of OP. He just reaches gc, and Onslaught is phenominal defender in VT. He also wanna do necropolis where onslaught shines really well. Onslaught is the best option for OP imho.
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    America Chavez sig 20
    captain_rogers said:

    if chavez can take serpent then onslaught can cheese bullseye. Even tho he is a little slow on attack, onslaught can still take most skill defenders in bgs just with a one sp1, one sp2 combo.

    Every champ has counters who can do them in 30 secs (Except maybe serpent). Onslaught is a top 5 defender and is generally a better champ overall than chavez.

    You are just ignoring the two important needs of OP. He just reaches gc, and Onslaught is phenominal defender in VT. He also wanna do necropolis where onslaught shines really well. Onslaught is the best option for OP imho.

    Agree to disagree. Have a good day.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,593 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    Yeah same. Let's agree to disagree. Thanks for having a respectful conversation lol.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 4,810 ★★★★★
    Since Negasonic takes light years to deliver her damage output and is too slow to be reliably used for BGs, Onslaught will always have value on attack just for those skill defenders
  • RKO_meRKO_me Member Posts: 175 ★
    captain_rogers said:

    You still haven't named 5 defenders who are better than Onslaught.

    I agree Onslaught is not Bullseye or Serpent level threat, But he is certainly a Photon level threat.

    If this was a poll between chavez and bullseye even I would've went with chavez. But this is between chavez and onslaught.

    One side we have a 9/10 defender and 9/10 attacker, on the other we have a 7/10 defender and 10/10 attacker.

    Also Op wants to do necro so Onslaught seems to be the better option.

    For the record, I’ve already 100% necropolis. I mentioned necro only because my rankup decision will be partly based on ability to be effective in long-form End game content such as necro.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,631 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret

    even venom takes him out with nearly a full yellow bar in like less than 50 seconds bro he's no defense monster and like dude doesn't even take damage from the bleeds
    Name top 5 bg defenders rn then we can decide.

    Agreed, His value fell down after that sos event, But He is a great staller. Dude got like really long sp1 that literally takes like 7-10 seconds to complete and launch a another combo he is back to another sp1.

    Can't go for sp2 cuz of reverse controls. Chip damage from neuroshocks, wierd AI can't parry turn off wp so we can't heal the chip damage from neuroshocks can't use one third of champs who are metal, who are skill, and who apply unavoidable energy dots. Crush is just the icing on the cake.
    I acknowledged Onslaught being a better defender than Chavez. But thats not the point. You can do Onslaught with almost anyone that doesn't deal energy damage - even metal champs. Someone like gamora blows him out of the water in seconds. Mantis vs onslaught is an instant win for mantis. He's a staller only in lower BG levels. Cross GC and people stop banning him altogether. How do I know? I was one among those people and I have come across hundreds of such players last season. Most ppl stopped banning him once I hit GC and ppl stopped giving a sh1t about him altogether once I hit like arcane lol. He's really not a defensive threat anymore even with all the annoying abilities. On the other hand, the reason why Chavez is leading the poll is simply because she's a quick and effective attacker even in matchups she's not supposed to be good at. She has insane sustainability in almost every scenario, has freakishly crazy damage right off the bat, has utility thats super relevant in most metas and is simply an easy champ to play. Chavez definitely takes the cake as the better attacker in short and medium fights.
    A ton of champs can take photon too and she’s still a top defender. I don’t understand your point here in the first place because every top bg player runs onslaught up there and he can easily screw your with his bad AI and neuroshock rng can be brutal even if you have a good counter. He’s not broken or anything and a lot of champs do take him, but he’s unpredictable and his value remains as a top defender

    I agree with Chavez over Onslaught though
  • RKO_meRKO_me Member Posts: 175 ★
    Comments section consensus is Chavez, but the poll is a lot more even. Still slight edge to her.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 934 ★★★★
    This is just a question of sequence. Both are amazing and top-tier r3 options. Do em both.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,191 ★★★★★
    I just r3 chavez yesterday and haven't bothered ranking 7* onslaught since 5/65 ascended already gets banned in bg's
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,715 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    Is there a both option?
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,715 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret

    even venom takes him out with nearly a full yellow bar in like less than 50 seconds bro he's no defense monster and like dude doesn't even take damage from the bleeds
    Name top 5 bg defenders rn then we can decide.

    Agreed, His value fell down after that sos event, But He is a great staller. Dude got like really long sp1 that literally takes like 7-10 seconds to complete and launch a another combo he is back to another sp1.

    Can't go for sp2 cuz of reverse controls. Chip damage from neuroshocks, wierd AI can't parry turn off wp so we can't heal the chip damage from neuroshocks can't use one third of champs who are metal, who are skill, and who apply unavoidable energy dots. Crush is just the icing on the cake.
    I acknowledged Onslaught being a better defender than Chavez. But thats not the point. You can do Onslaught with almost anyone that doesn't deal energy damage - even metal champs. Someone like gamora blows him out of the water in seconds. Mantis vs onslaught is an instant win for mantis. He's a staller only in lower BG levels. Cross GC and people stop banning him altogether. How do I know? I was one among those people and I have come across hundreds of such players last season. Most ppl stopped banning him once I hit GC and ppl stopped giving a sh1t about him altogether once I hit like arcane lol. He's really not a defensive threat anymore even with all the annoying abilities. On the other hand, the reason why Chavez is leading the poll is simply because she's a quick and effective attacker even in matchups she's not supposed to be good at. She has insane sustainability in almost every scenario, has freakishly crazy damage right off the bat, has utility thats super relevant in most metas and is simply an easy champ to play. Chavez definitely takes the cake as the better attacker in short and medium fights.
    Nah Onslaught is still a defensive goat. Maybe not so much after SoS but he is definitely annoying. No one is immune to neuroshock, few are resistant to degeneration, he has that crush debuff every 10 hits in opponent's combo, you can't reparry him, etc.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,715 ★★★★★
    Onslaught (unduped)
    phillgreen said:

    I just r3 chavez yesterday and haven't bothered ranking 7* onslaught since 5/65 ascended already gets banned in bg's

    A R3 7* surpasses a 5/65 because they can have stat focus
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 505 ★★★
    America Chavez sig 20
    EdisonLaw said:

    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret

    even venom takes him out with nearly a full yellow bar in like less than 50 seconds bro he's no defense monster and like dude doesn't even take damage from the bleeds
    Name top 5 bg defenders rn then we can decide.

    Agreed, His value fell down after that sos event, But He is a great staller. Dude got like really long sp1 that literally takes like 7-10 seconds to complete and launch a another combo he is back to another sp1.

    Can't go for sp2 cuz of reverse controls. Chip damage from neuroshocks, wierd AI can't parry turn off wp so we can't heal the chip damage from neuroshocks can't use one third of champs who are metal, who are skill, and who apply unavoidable energy dots. Crush is just the icing on the cake.
    I acknowledged Onslaught being a better defender than Chavez. But thats not the point. You can do Onslaught with almost anyone that doesn't deal energy damage - even metal champs. Someone like gamora blows him out of the water in seconds. Mantis vs onslaught is an instant win for mantis. He's a staller only in lower BG levels. Cross GC and people stop banning him altogether. How do I know? I was one among those people and I have come across hundreds of such players last season. Most ppl stopped banning him once I hit GC and ppl stopped giving a sh1t about him altogether once I hit like arcane lol. He's really not a defensive threat anymore even with all the annoying abilities. On the other hand, the reason why Chavez is leading the poll is simply because she's a quick and effective attacker even in matchups she's not supposed to be good at. She has insane sustainability in almost every scenario, has freakishly crazy damage right off the bat, has utility thats super relevant in most metas and is simply an easy champ to play. Chavez definitely takes the cake as the better attacker in short and medium fights.
    Nah Onslaught is still a defensive goat. Maybe not so much after SoS but he is definitely annoying. No one is immune to neuroshock, few are resistant to degeneration, he has that crush debuff every 10 hits in opponent's combo, you can't reparry him, etc.
    I genuinely don't get how people think he's a defensive goat. 9/10 times I fight a high rank onslaught, I end up taking the W, even with bad rng, all of his annoying abilities, etc. Sure, maybe its just exclusive to me but my onslaught hasn't seen much success in BGs either because everyone knows how to play around against him. And like I mentioned earlier, once you hit GC people stop caring about him altogether and he is no longer a "defensive goat" - not even close. But suit yourself
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,715 ★★★★★
    edited July 2024
    Onslaught (unduped)
    007Bishop said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    007Bishop said:

    captain_rogers said:

    No way chavez is leading this poll... Onslaught has extremely high defense value so he edge out chavez as a dual threat. Chavez has better attack but not better enough to overcome Onslaught's defense potential.

    Also you wanna do Necropolis where onslaught can handle more fights than chavez.

    This is coming from a guy who has r3 chavez.
    Go with onslaught, you will never regret

    even venom takes him out with nearly a full yellow bar in like less than 50 seconds bro he's no defense monster and like dude doesn't even take damage from the bleeds
    Name top 5 bg defenders rn then we can decide.

    Agreed, His value fell down after that sos event, But He is a great staller. Dude got like really long sp1 that literally takes like 7-10 seconds to complete and launch a another combo he is back to another sp1.

    Can't go for sp2 cuz of reverse controls. Chip damage from neuroshocks, wierd AI can't parry turn off wp so we can't heal the chip damage from neuroshocks can't use one third of champs who are metal, who are skill, and who apply unavoidable energy dots. Crush is just the icing on the cake.
    I acknowledged Onslaught being a better defender than Chavez. But thats not the point. You can do Onslaught with almost anyone that doesn't deal energy damage - even metal champs. Someone like gamora blows him out of the water in seconds. Mantis vs onslaught is an instant win for mantis. He's a staller only in lower BG levels. Cross GC and people stop banning him altogether. How do I know? I was one among those people and I have come across hundreds of such players last season. Most ppl stopped banning him once I hit GC and ppl stopped giving a sh1t about him altogether once I hit like arcane lol. He's really not a defensive threat anymore even with all the annoying abilities. On the other hand, the reason why Chavez is leading the poll is simply because she's a quick and effective attacker even in matchups she's not supposed to be good at. She has insane sustainability in almost every scenario, has freakishly crazy damage right off the bat, has utility thats super relevant in most metas and is simply an easy champ to play. Chavez definitely takes the cake as the better attacker in short and medium fights.
    Nah Onslaught is still a defensive goat. Maybe not so much after SoS but he is definitely annoying. No one is immune to neuroshock, few are resistant to degeneration, he has that crush debuff every 10 hits in opponent's combo, you can't reparry him, etc.
    I genuinely don't get how people think he's a defensive goat. 9/10 times I fight a high rank onslaught, I end up taking the W, even with bad rng, all of his annoying abilities, etc. Sure, maybe its just exclusive to me but my onslaught hasn't seen much success in BGs either because everyone knows how to play around against him. And like I mentioned earlier, once you hit GC people stop caring about him altogether and he is no longer a "defensive goat" - not even close. But suit yourself
    You might just be good at fighting him, or you have really good RNG. In GC Onslaught is used all the time as a defender
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