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(in a Scarlett Johansson voice ..)
“Welcome to Infinity Chat v1.0, how may I consume your day today ?”

roastedbagel

I'm about to break the 4th wall because this type of toxicity from this ultra-super-Karen of an OP, sometimes just needs to face reality and not be coddled any longer, otherwise they'll never be humbled and will continue these misguided entitlement-seeking, gross display of validation deprivation everywhere they go.

If it happened once, I would ignore and be on my way and would not have made this a post here.

Ha! Bull

Would you also not have sent us 63 messages in succession? Be honest now...

Because It did happen once. Well, by "once" I mean, you were asked politely 6 times to drop a conversation and you proceeded to send 6 more messages when asked not to.

For some reason you simply CAN'T get that through your thick skull. How many times does it need to be told to you for it to sink in dude? How many times??

You 👏 were 👏 told 👏 to 👏 drop 👏 the 👏 conversation

You 👏 REFUSED 👏 to 👏 drop 👏 the 👏 conversation

Here, because apparently you're gonna continue kicking the can down the road as long as you can and not own up to your own wrongdoing (defying a mods polite request to drop a conversation).

Therefore. You. We're. Timed. Out.

There's nothing "threatening" about that. It's called "enforcement" of the rules. It's even funnier that you threatened to sue kabam a few times after being told to drop the convo. So are you going to seek council or not? If you are, it's probably best we remove you from the discord server (my country's laws suggest that). That's not a threat by the way, but an observation. Don't go crying wolf on me now.

Dragonfei

@BeeOfAutobots have you ever upload a video on YT placing a remote control in somewhere unusual? (Only old gamers will get the reference)
Sorry, Bub. I am not in the mood for jokes. I am quite feeling sad with the situation. I did nothing wrong but gave feedback and criticism and the mods in discord are threatening me for that
Oh ok I am sorry.
Just so you know, you can't sue them for banning you from their discord. It has nothing to do with the spending on their game. Its their equivalent of blocking your twitter account.
The discussion was about banning players from game accidentally. That's something can be reported as fraud in my country if there is no claim/ proof. I was stating that in a post created by someone who got banned.
What country are you in?
Can't say that's personal but kabam will know that basd on my game play and payment. In most countries if you don't get services for what you paid for you can sue the corporate and if there is any fraudulent behaviour you suspect the app itself may be black listed until proved otherwise. Fraudulent behaviour can just be a feeling of yours to do the reporting and police will verify the claim how far it is true.
There’s only one country that has ever ruled in favor of a player claiming to have been defrauded by an online game company for failing to provide services in the context of being banned that very heard of, and that’s China, and there were very particular circumstances there.

There is no charge for accessing the game, so you can’t claim damages if you’re banned. Nor can you claim Kabam is depriving you of access to your account, because the game’s TOS requires you to agree the materials in your game account have no value. If you claim you didn’t agree to the ToS or claim it is invalid, then you have no right to play the game and the company can claim you defrauded it, when you illegally accessed the game without permission.

On the other hand, most countries do have laws against the kind of fraud where you claim you’re entitled to a refund for services when you’re just a disgruntled customer. Credit card companies rarely prosecute that kind of fraud, but it does happen.
I don't belong to china. But why are you interested in this if it does not concern you. Who said I illegally accessed the game. I am talking about accidental bans. What will you do if you get banned. In my country laws are different
If I get banned it will be because I deserve it, or Crashed finally decides those free revives cost him his new Ferrari.

I’ve probably helped more players get errant bans reversed than any other single player. You are not talking about bans, accidental or otherwise. You are conducting a training class on how to spot a gaming Karen on amphetamines by example.

And no matter how much you keep saying “in my country laws are different” no one cares. That’s about as interesting as me saying in my backyard, trees are taller. But you did mention the GDPR, which is a European Union regulation. And nowhere in the European Union do I believe you have a leg to stand on. Unless the EU annexed Shadowloo recently and M. Bison has it out for Canadian game companies.
You dont have to care. This post is not about that either. This is about mods behaviour in discord and I have a reported a support ticket as well.
1. I am a Discord moderator.

2,. As such, I have access to all the active threads on Discord, and in particular I can read the thread where you went off the rails.

3. You keep saying things like "do you know the laws in my country" while refusing to actually specify what your country is, specifically to be argumentative.

4. I also have access to moderator discussions, activity, and modmail tickets. So yes, I read your modmail ticket from beginning to end.

5. You were asked to drop your flooding a bug report thread with your armchair pseudo-legal nonsense four times in a row before being timed out.

6. You also made a specific allegation, which I will quote here: "You said because I was discussing even after the mod told me to stop. That's not true." However, after a mod said "But I think we’ve talked this to death. So it’s time to end the convo." you continued to press your issues. As that might not have been direct enough they followed up with "Which is why we’re at an impasse and there’s no point in discussing further." After several more of your posts the moderator stated directly "But drop it now, please." And then "Enough, Bee. We’re talking in circles and that’s enough."

Your response to that warning was "If kabam bans me, I will sue them for sure. I have sued banks and won the case." Which I guess is the 2024 version of "I know Kung Fu." So there was one final warning: "Drop it and go elsewhere." and when you defied that warning, you were timed out. I think it is fair to mention all of this, as it occurred on the public Discord.

7. You also asked a question in your modmail ticket, which I think is reasonable to address here. You asked why if account ban discussions are not allowed, a moderator engaged the original Discord message? That happens. Moderators are not infallible or robots, and sometimes one moderator will make a judgment call in the interests of helping the player community, while another moderator will decide that the subject violates the Discord rules and put an end to it. And most likely the reason why the thread was closed was because of you. Account bans are not allowed to be discussed for all sorts of reasons, but one of them is that they attract lunatics who insist on jumping into them with no actual situational awareness and an abundance of ignorance. Your tirade was almost certainly a contributor to reminding the moderators why, even if they want to be helpful, there are some topics that attract too much nonsense to be allowed to happen.

Given all the available evidence, good luck with your support ticket.
I cannot provide my personal or country information ina forum. Why are you asking for that here?

I never told about suing for discord timeout and this post is about how mods have shown abusive behaviour.

The mod was showing aggressive and abusive behaviour with their threats and bullying.

There was timeout after 1 warning and I did not even have time to read the messages. Mods are timing out without reason and at their amusement . the first time I was timed out it was for reporting a player selling their account. Why would the mod change my name of this post. Is this not abusive behaviour. I have added that to the ticket as well. Abusing your credibility as mod and doing what you like. I wanted to share how I felt and I did int his post. This is not place to discuss other things and a mod should know that? I repetitively said there is a ticket I have created. I am not gonna waste my time on some guy who feels right for doing something wrong.

You said mods are actual people. Thanks for sharing that.

If the mod believes that there is a place to those feedback or questions asked. He should have directed me there. Timing out people at their own amusement after 1 warning without even waiting for the other person to read the messages.

Again Same with this post. I don't think this is the place to talk about gdpr and international laws. Mod should have asked me to contact kabam elsewhere. But instead engaging on things that's unnecessary?

I myself told there is a ticket I have created to address those concerns. I am not gonna respond here anymore. I have attached screenshots of those conversations from discord to the ticket.

You know, as the discord moderator in question that you’re providing “feedback” about, I do wonder why you’re insisting I timed you out for my “own amusement” after only one warning when DNA posted the receipts for the FOUR times I warned you to move on from the conversation.

You repeatedly responded to those messages I was sending - so you had read them. You were not bullied, you were not threatened, you were told to respect the rules of the server, and if you did not, action would be taken against you on the server in terms of a mute or a ban.

Which is how any moderated discord works.

There is no injustice to champion over. Just a person who didn’t understand that moderators would enforce the rules.

Luke9523

@BeeOfAutobots have you ever upload a video on YT placing a remote control in somewhere unusual? (Only old gamers will get the reference)
Sorry, Bub. I am not in the mood for jokes. I am quite feeling sad with the situation. I did nothing wrong but gave feedback and criticism and the mods in discord are threatening me for that
Oh ok I am sorry.
Just so you know, you can't sue them for banning you from their discord. It has nothing to do with the spending on their game. Its their equivalent of blocking your twitter account.
The discussion was about banning players from game accidentally. That's something can be reported as fraud in my country if there is no claim/ proof. I was stating that in a post created by someone who got banned.
What country are you in?
Can't say that's personal but kabam will know that basd on my game play and payment. In most countries if you don't get services for what you paid for you can sue the corporate and if there is any fraudulent behaviour you suspect the app itself may be black listed until proved otherwise. Fraudulent behaviour can just be a feeling of yours to do the reporting and police will verify the claim how far it is true.
There’s only one country that has ever ruled in favor of a player claiming to have been defrauded by an online game company for failing to provide services in the context of being banned that very heard of, and that’s China, and there were very particular circumstances there.

There is no charge for accessing the game, so you can’t claim damages if you’re banned. Nor can you claim Kabam is depriving you of access to your account, because the game’s TOS requires you to agree the materials in your game account have no value. If you claim you didn’t agree to the ToS or claim it is invalid, then you have no right to play the game and the company can claim you defrauded it, when you illegally accessed the game without permission.

On the other hand, most countries do have laws against the kind of fraud where you claim you’re entitled to a refund for services when you’re just a disgruntled customer. Credit card companies rarely prosecute that kind of fraud, but it does happen.
I don't belong to china. But why are you interested in this if it does not concern you. Who said I illegally accessed the game. I am talking about accidental bans. What will you do if you get banned. In my country laws are different
If I get banned it will be because I deserve it, or Crashed finally decides those free revives cost him his new Ferrari.

I’ve probably helped more players get errant bans reversed than any other single player. You are not talking about bans, accidental or otherwise. You are conducting a training class on how to spot a gaming Karen on amphetamines by example.

And no matter how much you keep saying “in my country laws are different” no one cares. That’s about as interesting as me saying in my backyard, trees are taller. But you did mention the GDPR, which is a European Union regulation. And nowhere in the European Union do I believe you have a leg to stand on. Unless the EU annexed Shadowloo recently and M. Bison has it out for Canadian game companies.
You dont have to care. This post is not about that either. This is about mods behaviour in discord and I have a reported a support ticket as well.
1. I am a Discord moderator.

2,. As such, I have access to all the active threads on Discord, and in particular I can read the thread where you went off the rails.

3. You keep saying things like "do you know the laws in my country" while refusing to actually specify what your country is, specifically to be argumentative.

4. I also have access to moderator discussions, activity, and modmail tickets. So yes, I read your modmail ticket from beginning to end.

5. You were asked to drop your flooding a bug report thread with your armchair pseudo-legal nonsense four times in a row before being timed out.

6. You also made a specific allegation, which I will quote here: "You said because I was discussing even after the mod told me to stop. That's not true." However, after a mod said "But I think we’ve talked this to death. So it’s time to end the convo." you continued to press your issues. As that might not have been direct enough they followed up with "Which is why we’re at an impasse and there’s no point in discussing further." After several more of your posts the moderator stated directly "But drop it now, please." And then "Enough, Bee. We’re talking in circles and that’s enough."

Your response to that warning was "If kabam bans me, I will sue them for sure. I have sued banks and won the case." Which I guess is the 2024 version of "I know Kung Fu." So there was one final warning: "Drop it and go elsewhere." and when you defied that warning, you were timed out. I think it is fair to mention all of this, as it occurred on the public Discord.

7. You also asked a question in your modmail ticket, which I think is reasonable to address here. You asked why if account ban discussions are not allowed, a moderator engaged the original Discord message? That happens. Moderators are not infallible or robots, and sometimes one moderator will make a judgment call in the interests of helping the player community, while another moderator will decide that the subject violates the Discord rules and put an end to it. And most likely the reason why the thread was closed was because of you. Account bans are not allowed to be discussed for all sorts of reasons, but one of them is that they attract lunatics who insist on jumping into them with no actual situational awareness and an abundance of ignorance. Your tirade was almost certainly a contributor to reminding the moderators why, even if they want to be helpful, there are some topics that attract too much nonsense to be allowed to happen.

Given all the available evidence, good luck with your support ticket.
I cannot provide my personal or country information ina forum. Why are you asking for that here?

I never told about suing for discord timeout and this post is about how mods have shown abusive behaviour.

The mod was showing aggressive and abusive behaviour with their threats and bullying.

There was timeout after 1 warning and I did not even have time to read the messages. Mods are timing out without reason and at their amusement . the first time I was timed out it was for reporting a player selling their account. Why would the mod change my name of this post. Is this not abusive behaviour. I have added that to the ticket as well. Abusing your credibility as mod and doing what you like. I wanted to share how I felt and I did int his post. This is not place to discuss other things and a mod should know that? I repetitively said there is a ticket I have created. I am not gonna waste my time on some guy who feels right for doing something wrong.

You said mods are actual people. Thanks for sharing that.

If the mod believes that there is a place to those feedback or questions asked. He should have directed me there. Timing out people at their own amusement after 1 warning without even waiting for the other person to read the messages.

Again Same with this post. I don't think this is the place to talk about gdpr and international laws. Mod should have asked me to contact kabam elsewhere. But instead engaging on things that's unnecessary?

I myself told there is a ticket I have created to address those concerns. I am not gonna respond here anymore. I have attached screenshots of those conversations from discord to the ticket.
You know, as the discord moderator in question that you’re providing “feedback” about, I do wonder why you’re insisting I timed you out for my “own amusement” after only one warning when DNA posted the receipts for the FOUR times I warned you to move on from the conversation.

You repeatedly responded to those messages I was sending - so you had read them. You were not bullied, you were not threatened, you were told to respect the rules of the server, and if you did not, action would be taken against you on the server in terms of a mute or a ban.

Which is how any moderated discord works.

There is no injustice to champion over. Just a person who didn’t understand that moderators would enforce the rules.

Say it louder!!! 👏🏻

DNA3000

@BeeOfAutobots have you ever upload a video on YT placing a remote control in somewhere unusual? (Only old gamers will get the reference)
Sorry, Bub. I am not in the mood for jokes. I am quite feeling sad with the situation. I did nothing wrong but gave feedback and criticism and the mods in discord are threatening me for that
Oh ok I am sorry.
Just so you know, you can't sue them for banning you from their discord. It has nothing to do with the spending on their game. Its their equivalent of blocking your twitter account.
The discussion was about banning players from game accidentally. That's something can be reported as fraud in my country if there is no claim/ proof. I was stating that in a post created by someone who got banned.
What country are you in?
Can't say that's personal but kabam will know that basd on my game play and payment. In most countries if you don't get services for what you paid for you can sue the corporate and if there is any fraudulent behaviour you suspect the app itself may be black listed until proved otherwise. Fraudulent behaviour can just be a feeling of yours to do the reporting and police will verify the claim how far it is true.
There’s only one country that has ever ruled in favor of a player claiming to have been defrauded by an online game company for failing to provide services in the context of being banned that very heard of, and that’s China, and there were very particular circumstances there.

There is no charge for accessing the game, so you can’t claim damages if you’re banned. Nor can you claim Kabam is depriving you of access to your account, because the game’s TOS requires you to agree the materials in your game account have no value. If you claim you didn’t agree to the ToS or claim it is invalid, then you have no right to play the game and the company can claim you defrauded it, when you illegally accessed the game without permission.

On the other hand, most countries do have laws against the kind of fraud where you claim you’re entitled to a refund for services when you’re just a disgruntled customer. Credit card companies rarely prosecute that kind of fraud, but it does happen.
I don't belong to china. But why are you interested in this if it does not concern you. Who said I illegally accessed the game. I am talking about accidental bans. What will you do if you get banned. In my country laws are different
If I get banned it will be because I deserve it, or Crashed finally decides those free revives cost him his new Ferrari.

I’ve probably helped more players get errant bans reversed than any other single player. You are not talking about bans, accidental or otherwise. You are conducting a training class on how to spot a gaming Karen on amphetamines by example.

And no matter how much you keep saying “in my country laws are different” no one cares. That’s about as interesting as me saying in my backyard, trees are taller. But you did mention the GDPR, which is a European Union regulation. And nowhere in the European Union do I believe you have a leg to stand on. Unless the EU annexed Shadowloo recently and M. Bison has it out for Canadian game companies.
You dont have to care. This post is not about that either. This is about mods behaviour in discord and I have a reported a support ticket as well.
1. I am a Discord moderator.

2,. As such, I have access to all the active threads on Discord, and in particular I can read the thread where you went off the rails.

3. You keep saying things like "do you know the laws in my country" while refusing to actually specify what your country is, specifically to be argumentative.

4. I also have access to moderator discussions, activity, and modmail tickets. So yes, I read your modmail ticket from beginning to end.

5. You were asked to drop your flooding a bug report thread with your armchair pseudo-legal nonsense four times in a row before being timed out.

6. You also made a specific allegation, which I will quote here: "You said because I was discussing even after the mod told me to stop. That's not true." However, after a mod said "But I think we’ve talked this to death. So it’s time to end the convo." you continued to press your issues. As that might not have been direct enough they followed up with "Which is why we’re at an impasse and there’s no point in discussing further." After several more of your posts the moderator stated directly "But drop it now, please." And then "Enough, Bee. We’re talking in circles and that’s enough."

Your response to that warning was "If kabam bans me, I will sue them for sure. I have sued banks and won the case." Which I guess is the 2024 version of "I know Kung Fu." So there was one final warning: "Drop it and go elsewhere." and when you defied that warning, you were timed out. I think it is fair to mention all of this, as it occurred on the public Discord.

7. You also asked a question in your modmail ticket, which I think is reasonable to address here. You asked why if account ban discussions are not allowed, a moderator engaged the original Discord message? That happens. Moderators are not infallible or robots, and sometimes one moderator will make a judgment call in the interests of helping the player community, while another moderator will decide that the subject violates the Discord rules and put an end to it. And most likely the reason why the thread was closed was because of you. Account bans are not allowed to be discussed for all sorts of reasons, but one of them is that they attract lunatics who insist on jumping into them with no actual situational awareness and an abundance of ignorance. Your tirade was almost certainly a contributor to reminding the moderators why, even if they want to be helpful, there are some topics that attract too much nonsense to be allowed to happen.

Given all the available evidence, good luck with your support ticket.
I cannot provide my personal or country information ina forum. Why are you asking for that here?

I never told about suing for discord timeout and this post is about how mods have shown abusive behaviour.

The mod was showing aggressive and abusive behaviour with their threats and bullying.

There was timeout after 1 warning and I did not even have time to read the messages. Mods are timing out without reason and at their amusement . the first time I was timed out it was for reporting a player selling their account. Why would the mod change my name of this post. Is this not abusive behaviour. I have added that to the ticket as well. Abusing your credibility as mod and doing what you like. I wanted to share how I felt and I did int his post. This is not place to discuss other things and a mod should know that? I repetitively said there is a ticket I have created. I am not gonna waste my time on some guy who feels right for doing something wrong.

You said mods are actual people. Thanks for sharing that.

If the mod believes that there is a place to those feedback or questions asked. He should have directed me there. Timing out people at their own amusement after 1 warning without even waiting for the other person to read the messages.

Again Same with this post. I don't think this is the place to talk about gdpr and international laws. Mod should have asked me to contact kabam elsewhere. But instead engaging on things that's unnecessary?

I myself told there is a ticket I have created to address those concerns. I am not gonna respond here anymore. I have attached screenshots of those conversations from discord to the ticket.

Of all the factually erroneous statements in this post the one I find most disappointing, and I'm sure everyone else finds equally disheartening, is the last one.

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ShuGokis

The first time the mod decided to time out was here. Why?

None of these screenshots show you’re timed out.

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ShuGokis

Let me checkif I have a screenshot that shows. The first time I contacted support was asking this. And then support said also to get in touch with modmail. The modmail responded with threats

Please do. Right now you have proven you’re making things up by claiming you were timed out but then go and contradict that with screenshots that show otherwise.

ShuGokis

The mod deleted those messages. I don't know why. But I took a screenshot of timeout. Here

So what did you say to deserve the timeout?

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Magicsol

Atlast,the global addict goblin comes to have his mental breakdown in the forums.
Who would've thought right?🤣

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ShuGokis

I asked them why I got timed out for reporting this. And then created a ticket. And then they continued to give me timeout without valid reason. You understand why I would feel targeted and threated by the mods

Stop claiming it was without valid reason, there is a reason you have already been shown the warnings you received for continuing talking about a topic that is against the discord rules.

You’re not being targeted by the mods.

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ShuGokis

Atlast,the global addict goblin comes to have his mental breakdown in the forums.
Who would've thought right?🤣
I don't encourage cheaters. I report them but the mod targeting me for that is Okay?

As shown here any talk about cheaters or accusing people is against their rules so here you broke their rule.

You also report cheaters through in game or tickets NOT their discord.

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Magicsol

Atlast,the global addict goblin comes to have his mental breakdown in the forums.
Who would've thought right?🤣
I don't encourage cheaters. I report them but the mod targeting me for that is Okay?

Are you refusing to use your brain to understand you what the othe members have told you above or are you here to just create fuss?
Eitherway nobody is gonna listen to you and you are just bluffing with your so-called refunds and "prosecutions"
You are ignorant,arrogant, a spammer and disrespectful and this post will most likely be closed soon,you are free to leave the game whenever you want.

Goodluck.

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DNA3000

I asked them why I got timed out for reporting this. And then created a ticket. And then they continued to give me timeout without valid reason. You understand why I would feel targeted and threated by the mods

You were timed out for an hour on 7/28/24 at 11:41am Pacific time. Probably for flooding the summoner seeking alliance channel with discussions about cheating. As far as I can tell, your next time out was yesterday, 8/3/24 at 1:53pm Pacific time after getting into repeated arguments with moderators asking you to cease your tirade in the "Game Crashed and I Got Ban" bug report thread. The first one seems obvious, and the second one has been discussed in detail here where you were given multiple warnings to cease your behavior.

If the moderators tell you to cease, they are not targeting you, they are targeting your behavior. If the moderators demand you stop or else, they are not threatening you, they are stating a fact that continued such behavior will result in disciplinary action. If you wish to interpret either of these as "targeting" or "threatening" no one can stop you, but those are the rules for this, and to be honest most Discord servers, and for that matter most community spaces.

Meanwhile, attempting to characterize any of this as anything other than completely routine normal moderation practices will compel me to continue to counter those with the facts of the situation.

Just so there's no confusion, the moderators have no obligation to hold your hand like a child and say explicitly "if you continue to state this specific list of things then you will be given a timeout of one hour, which will escalate to one day unless you also do this, in which case the time out will escalate in direct proportion to the number of additional instances of repeated occurrence." All the moderators have to say is: stop. Failure to stop can and generally will result in a penalty of anything from a timeout to a complete ban from the server based on the severity of the violation at the sole discretion of the moderators.

You were asked to stop repeatedly. You ignored those requests. The moderators are empowered to time you out under those circumstances. They have no other obligation to you.

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SummonerNR

(Side note behind the whole issue apparently)

“I’ll join your Ally for 100. per month”

(Q) is this, all by itself, actually against Kabam TOS ??

Person was not saying (at least in pics shown here) that they would play anybody else's account once they joined.
That they would play their own account but use Mods, Hacks, etc. which would thus benefit themselves and the Ally.
Would join the Ally but then get someone else to play that account.
Was looking to sell that account to the alliance for other alliance members to play.
Or lastly, that the account itself was not actually theirs (ie, they “acquired” it by Merc'ing for someone else and then “stole” the account from that prior person, and is looking to profit further from it before Kabam bans it or original owner takes it back).

**All of those would definitely be against TOS, but pics did not describe any of that.

Was there more to the original Discord convo, in which that other person actually DID offer something which was against TOS.

Or is asking for (or offering someone) a salary or bonus just to be part of an alliance, while otherwise playing within the game rules itself, actually against TOS as well ??

willrun4adonut

Atlast,the global addict goblin comes to have his mental breakdown in the forums.
Who would've thought right?🤣
I don't encourage cheaters. I report them but the mod targeting me for that is Okay?
Are you refusing to use your brain to understand you what the othe members have told you above or are you here to just create fuss?
Eitherway nobody is gonna listen to you and you are just bluffing with your so-called refunds and "prosecutions"
You are ignorant,arrogant, a spammer and disrespectful and this post will most likely be closed soon,you are free to leave the game whenever you want.

Goodluck.
I am not spamming either.

Says the 9 pages of comments.

DNA3000

(Side note behind the whole issue apparently)

“I’ll join your Ally for 100. per month”

(Q) is this, all by itself, actually against Kabam TOS ??

I don't know if Kabam has an official position on this, but my read of the Terms and Conditions of the game is that this is not prohibited, nor am I sure if Kabam even can prohibit it. Kabam doesn't really have the ability to enforce rules outside the scope of the game and game materials. This is just my opinion, though, not the official position of Kabam.

This is probably something Kabam does not want to encourage to be sure. But it would be difficult to know where the line was drawn. If I were to buy a bunch of iTunes gift cards and give them away to all my alliance mates for Christmas, is that a problem? I can't see how.

This would be a dangerous thing to attempt, though. All it would take would be for one disgruntled alliance mate to catch you saying and doing the wrong thing and reporting you. Being paid to join an alliance might be inside the letter of the law. But being paid to join an alliance so you can score a ton of points in an alliance event to allow them to get higher ranked rewards is mercing. That's actionable.

Was there more to the original Discord convo, in which that other person actually DID offer something which was against TOS.

All I will say is that there was more to the sequence of messages that was deleted. Nothing of a technical nature that would benefit from discussion.