I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
lol yeah like Negasonic hard counters Bullseye 🤣
She counters him but isn’t super fast
Kitty is more of a hard counter to bullseye than negasonic ever will be lmao NTW has to be played a certain way and can still mess up and die whereas all you have to do with kitty is survive till your sp3
Looks like MCOC is having its balancing team is out of touch with community moment
If we put MCOC into terms like an online competitive game: The current state of serpent is balanced around 'professional/esport players' or the top 5% of players competing in competitive modes (battlegrounds), however the 'low rank' casual audience is running into issues against Serpent, feeling he is way overtuned on defense and unfair to play against.
So whats the solution? There may not be one, some designs are not possible to be balanced between the massive sway in player skill difference, the ending result solution is releasing a champion down the line that hard counters Serpent but is that really healthy for the game?
Wow. I can’t believe Kabam has decided Serpent isn’t overturned and ridiculous. No changes to how he interacts with nodes and no changes to be able to take him down with more competitive scores. The rebalance program is a farce and a joke.
The rebalance program was never indicated to be a nerf machine. It's entirely dependent on what their goals for specific Champs are, and they've never severely altered any Champs since the current program has begun. Some Champs are just stronger than others at some aspects, and that's always been the case. I've seen a number of Champs that have been called too powerful over the years, and within 6 months time, people were so used to fighting them that they were scarcely challenging anymore.
GW back to harvesting disagrees I see.
Anyways, let me point out the obvious (for most people who actually play the game at least). No defender who has ever been called too powerful since the game's inception was objectively as powerful as Serpent is, you're out of your mind.
That's dramatic.
There are players that are better at the game than you'll ever be and they're saying the exact same things, nothing about this is dramatic, this is the most overpowered defender we have ever had in the game hands down and anyone who thinks otherwise is either just sucking off the devs or plays the game once a week.
Okay, that's inappropriate. They said they're happy with the way he's performing. I'm sure they're aware of their game and their future objectives more than we are. I didn't say he wasn't strong. I said we've overcome every Champ that people had histrionics over. So feel free to flail your arms in the air. I'm sure the game will survive. If it was game-breaking, he wouldn't be left in the game in his current state.
I highly disagree with this. I don’t know if you’ve ever tuned into a livestream but devs have openly admitted they don’t have the skill or play in high tier stakes or end game. A lot of the content creators that do play higher tier and hit celestial have made comments about how disgusting and busted of a defender Serpent is. I would trust the word of celestial tier, tier 1 war content creators more than I ever would the devs. If the devs want to call me out and say I’m wrong that’s fine but they never come out and talk about their viewpoint on the game. I see the content creators daily doing the BG grinds, the war grinds, and creating tier lists for everyone so I 100% take their word that Serpent is busted over thinking the devs know 100% what’s healthy for the game.
You're mistaken. There are Devs that play at high levels. To say they don't know their own game is just plain ignorant.
Ok so I guess the content creators that play daily at a high level are just wrong?
Just because they play daily doesnt mean theyre always right. Some of them even went as far as spreading misinformation in regards to Negasonic
the ending result solution is releasing a champion down the line that hard counters Serpent but is that really healthy for the game?
Even with that, they said they never wanted another situation like how Hulkling and Galan trivialized Peni when she was a big problem for people. The biggest thing I could think of for a hard counter would be be a 125%+ Neutralize, or something of that ilk which a new Mystic would use against him to negate his entire cheat death phase.
Wow. I can’t believe Kabam has decided Serpent isn’t overturned and ridiculous. No changes to how he interacts with nodes and no changes to be able to take him down with more competitive scores. The rebalance program is a farce and a joke.
The rebalance program was never indicated to be a nerf machine. It's entirely dependent on what their goals for specific Champs are, and they've never severely altered any Champs since the current program has begun. Some Champs are just stronger than others at some aspects, and that's always been the case. I've seen a number of Champs that have been called too powerful over the years, and within 6 months time, people were so used to fighting them that they were scarcely challenging anymore.
GW back to harvesting disagrees I see.
Anyways, let me point out the obvious (for most people who actually play the game at least). No defender who has ever been called too powerful since the game's inception was objectively as powerful as Serpent is, you're out of your mind.
That's dramatic.
There are players that are better at the game than you'll ever be and they're saying the exact same things, nothing about this is dramatic, this is the most overpowered defender we have ever had in the game hands down and anyone who thinks otherwise is either just sucking off the devs or plays the game once a week.
I think the most frustrating part is I expect them to not listen to the community. There was a little backlash over bullseye and photon not being changed, but serpent is on a whole other level. The posts made within the last few weeks already prove that. But I guess their DaTa is fully accurate and shows that serpent is super balanced and fair 🤓
Lmao I'm willing to bet their data shows he wasn't getting many kills in BGs, not because he sucks but because he's banned 9 times out of 10. I truly don't expect anything from Kabam anymore this year, this has to be possibly one of the worst years for mcoc, not the worst but one of. Some might disagree, some might agree, but personally it has been nothing but disappointment for me since February.
The year when 12.0 released was worse, but this is close.
However we can only hope for the best, and hope that the next mystics released can counter him
12.0 was a necessary change for the games longevity
Sure it may have, but were you not around for when it was released and the outrage of the community?
You 're comparing 12.0 to The Serpent not getting changed and saying their the same?
Wow. I can’t believe Kabam has decided Serpent isn’t overturned and ridiculous. No changes to how he interacts with nodes and no changes to be able to take him down with more competitive scores. The rebalance program is a farce and a joke.
The rebalance program was never indicated to be a nerf machine. It's entirely dependent on what their goals for specific Champs are, and they've never severely altered any Champs since the current program has begun. Some Champs are just stronger than others at some aspects, and that's always been the case. I've seen a number of Champs that have been called too powerful over the years, and within 6 months time, people were so used to fighting them that they were scarcely challenging anymore.
GW back to harvesting disagrees I see.
Anyways, let me point out the obvious (for most people who actually play the game at least). No defender who has ever been called too powerful since the game's inception was objectively as powerful as Serpent is, you're out of your mind.
That's dramatic.
There are players that are better at the game than you'll ever be and they're saying the exact same things, nothing about this is dramatic, this is the most overpowered defender we have ever had in the game hands down and anyone who thinks otherwise is either just sucking off the devs or plays the game once a week.
I think the most frustrating part is I expect them to not listen to the community. There was a little backlash over bullseye and photon not being changed, but serpent is on a whole other level. The posts made within the last few weeks already prove that. But I guess their DaTa is fully accurate and shows that serpent is super balanced and fair 🤓
Lmao I'm willing to bet their data shows he wasn't getting many kills in BGs, not because he sucks but because he's banned 9 times out of 10. I truly don't expect anything from Kabam anymore this year, this has to be possibly one of the worst years for mcoc, not the worst but one of. Some might disagree, some might agree, but personally it has been nothing but disappointment for me since February.
The year when 12.0 released was worse, but this is close.
However we can only hope for the best, and hope that the next mystics released can counter him
12.0 was a necessary change for the games longevity
Sure it may have, but were you not around for when it was released and the outrage of the community?
You 're comparing 12.0 to The Serpent not getting changed and saying their the same?
Obviously they aren’t but both have or are receiving wide backlash from the community. I’m just saying that Kabam and the balancing team should reconsider their decisions
12.0 affected everyone. The Serpent not getting changed only affects a fraction and by next month, those people will move on to something else.
Wow. I can’t believe Kabam has decided Serpent isn’t overturned and ridiculous. No changes to how he interacts with nodes and no changes to be able to take him down with more competitive scores. The rebalance program is a farce and a joke.
The rebalance program was never indicated to be a nerf machine. It's entirely dependent on what their goals for specific Champs are, and they've never severely altered any Champs since the current program has begun. Some Champs are just stronger than others at some aspects, and that's always been the case. I've seen a number of Champs that have been called too powerful over the years, and within 6 months time, people were so used to fighting them that they were scarcely challenging anymore.
GW back to harvesting disagrees I see.
Anyways, let me point out the obvious (for most people who actually play the game at least). No defender who has ever been called too powerful since the game's inception was objectively as powerful as Serpent is, you're out of your mind.
That's dramatic.
There are players that are better at the game than you'll ever be and they're saying the exact same things, nothing about this is dramatic, this is the most overpowered defender we have ever had in the game hands down and anyone who thinks otherwise is either just sucking off the devs or plays the game once a week.
I think the most frustrating part is I expect them to not listen to the community. There was a little backlash over bullseye and photon not being changed, but serpent is on a whole other level. The posts made within the last few weeks already prove that. But I guess their DaTa is fully accurate and shows that serpent is super balanced and fair 🤓
Lmao I'm willing to bet their data shows he wasn't getting many kills in BGs, not because he sucks but because he's banned 9 times out of 10. I truly don't expect anything from Kabam anymore this year, this has to be possibly one of the worst years for mcoc, not the worst but one of. Some might disagree, some might agree, but personally it has been nothing but disappointment for me since February.
The year when 12.0 released was worse, but this is close.
However we can only hope for the best, and hope that the next mystics released can counter him
12.0 was a necessary change for the games longevity
Sure it may have, but were you not around for when it was released and the outrage of the community?
You 're comparing 12.0 to The Serpent not getting changed and saying their the same?
Obviously they aren’t but both have or are receiving wide backlash from the community. I’m just saying that Kabam and the balancing team should reconsider their decisions
12.0 affected everyone. The Serpent not getting changed only affects a fraction and by next month, those people will move on to something else.
The serpent affects everyone.... he's a character that the whole community can own, or face against. An example would be a sorrow fight against him, or him as a boss down the road in story content. This decision ultimately affects everyone, I don't know why you only regulated its effect to those who own him
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
Well Serpent seems designed to counter any mystic mechanics, so who knows. Maybe reworked Cyclops’ concussion beams will trigger a 125% concussion on him and he becomes the counter.
This is disappointing on so many levels. They just said they agreed that they went overboard with 5/5 defenders this year. Then they release enchantress that has so many defenders specific abilities, that you can’t take advantage of as an attacker. So they acknowledge they messed up, release another 5/5 defender and don’t try to use the rebalance program to tune down serpent. I don’t understand the logic here
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
Well Serpent seems designed to counter any mystic mechanics, so who knows. Maybe reworked Cyclops’ concussion beams will trigger a 125% concussion on him and he becomes the counter.
Then players will get to use him VERY effectively!
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
Praying that it is. Mephisto or Loki buff to counter him would go hard
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
Praying that it is. Mephisto or Loki buff to counter him would go hard
Who better to counter death immunity than the lord of the underworld aye? Mephisto could do with a buff on the attacking side.
I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him
I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0. The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
Praying that it is. Mephisto or Loki buff to counter him would go hard
Who better to counter death immunity than the lord of the underworld aye? Mephisto could do with a buff on the attacking side.
Plus Mephisto doesn’t even need a full rework, just a damage bunp and remove the persistent charge cost on the sp1. A Mr Sinister type of buff
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NTW has to be played a certain way and can still mess up and die whereas all you have to do with kitty is survive till your sp3
If we put MCOC into terms like an online competitive game:
The current state of serpent is balanced around 'professional/esport players' or the top 5% of players competing in competitive modes (battlegrounds), however the 'low rank' casual audience is running into issues against Serpent, feeling he is way overtuned on defense and unfair to play against.
So whats the solution? There may not be one, some designs are not possible to be balanced between the massive sway in player skill difference, the ending result solution is releasing a champion down the line that hard counters Serpent but is that really healthy for the game?
The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
Screw serpent