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Serpent Really Isn’t Getting Rebalanced?

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  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,125 ★★★★
    Well folks I found another champ that can counter Serpent here she is
    https://youtu.be/ZtfKKJrytKQ?feature=shared
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  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,619 ★★★★★
    Viper198787 said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Viper198787 said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Viper198787 said:

    Wow. I can’t believe Kabam has decided Serpent isn’t overturned and ridiculous. No changes to how he interacts with nodes and no changes to be able to take him down with more competitive scores. The rebalance program is a farce and a joke.

    The rebalance program was never indicated to be a nerf machine. It's entirely dependent on what their goals for specific Champs are, and they've never severely altered any Champs since the current program has begun.
    Some Champs are just stronger than others at some aspects, and that's always been the case. I've seen a number of Champs that have been called too powerful over the years, and within 6 months time, people were so used to fighting them that they were scarcely challenging anymore.
    GW back to harvesting disagrees I see.

    Anyways, let me point out the obvious (for most people who actually play the game at least). No defender who has ever been called too powerful since the game's inception was objectively as powerful as Serpent is, you're out of your mind.
    That's dramatic.
    There are players that are better at the game than you'll ever be and they're saying the exact same things, nothing about this is dramatic, this is the most overpowered defender we have ever had in the game hands down and anyone who thinks otherwise is either just sucking off the devs or plays the game once a week.
    Okay, that's inappropriate.
    They said they're happy with the way he's performing. I'm sure they're aware of their game and their future objectives more than we are.
    I didn't say he wasn't strong. I said we've overcome every Champ that people had histrionics over.
    So feel free to flail your arms in the air. I'm sure the game will survive. If it was game-breaking, he wouldn't be left in the game in his current state.
    I highly disagree with this. I don’t know if you’ve ever tuned into a livestream but devs have openly admitted they don’t have the skill or play in high tier stakes or end game. A lot of the content creators that do play higher tier and hit celestial have made comments about how disgusting and busted of a defender Serpent is. I would trust the word of celestial tier, tier 1 war content creators more than I ever would the devs. If the devs want to call me out and say I’m wrong that’s fine but they never come out and talk about their viewpoint on the game. I see the content creators daily doing the BG grinds, the war grinds, and creating tier lists for everyone so I 100% take their word that Serpent is busted over thinking the devs know 100% what’s healthy for the game.
    You're mistaken. There are Devs that play at high levels. To say they don't know their own game is just plain ignorant.
    Ok so I guess the content creators that play daily at a high level are just wrong?
    Just because they play daily doesnt mean theyre always right. Some of them even went as far as spreading misinformation in regards to Negasonic
  • jcphillips7jcphillips7 Member Posts: 1,516 ★★★★
    Kappa2g said:

    the ending result solution is releasing a champion down the line that hard counters Serpent but is that really healthy for the game?

    Even with that, they said they never wanted another situation like how Hulkling and Galan trivialized Peni when she was a big problem for people. The biggest thing I could think of for a hard counter would be be a 125%+ Neutralize, or something of that ilk which a new Mystic would use against him to negate his entire cheat death phase.

  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,375 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Viper198787 said:

    Wow. I can’t believe Kabam has decided Serpent isn’t overturned and ridiculous. No changes to how he interacts with nodes and no changes to be able to take him down with more competitive scores. The rebalance program is a farce and a joke.

    The rebalance program was never indicated to be a nerf machine. It's entirely dependent on what their goals for specific Champs are, and they've never severely altered any Champs since the current program has begun.
    Some Champs are just stronger than others at some aspects, and that's always been the case. I've seen a number of Champs that have been called too powerful over the years, and within 6 months time, people were so used to fighting them that they were scarcely challenging anymore.
    GW back to harvesting disagrees I see.

    Anyways, let me point out the obvious (for most people who actually play the game at least). No defender who has ever been called too powerful since the game's inception was objectively as powerful as Serpent is, you're out of your mind.
    That's dramatic.
    There are players that are better at the game than you'll ever be and they're saying the exact same things, nothing about this is dramatic, this is the most overpowered defender we have ever had in the game hands down and anyone who thinks otherwise is either just sucking off the devs or plays the game once a week.
    I think the most frustrating part is I expect them to not listen to the community. There was a little backlash over bullseye and photon not being changed, but serpent is on a whole other level. The posts made within the last few weeks already prove that. But I guess their DaTa is fully accurate and shows that serpent is super balanced and fair 🤓
    Lmao I'm willing to bet their data shows he wasn't getting many kills in BGs, not because he sucks but because he's banned 9 times out of 10.
    I truly don't expect anything from Kabam anymore this year, this has to be possibly one of the worst years for mcoc, not the worst but one of. Some might disagree, some might agree, but personally it has been nothing but disappointment for me since February.
    The year when 12.0 released was worse, but this is close.

    However we can only hope for the best, and hope that the next mystics released can counter him
    12.0 was a necessary change for the games longevity
    Sure it may have, but were you not around for when it was released and the outrage of the community?
    You 're comparing 12.0 to The Serpent not getting changed and saying their the same?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,375 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    WednesdayLength said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Viper198787 said:

    Wow. I can’t believe Kabam has decided Serpent isn’t overturned and ridiculous. No changes to how he interacts with nodes and no changes to be able to take him down with more competitive scores. The rebalance program is a farce and a joke.

    The rebalance program was never indicated to be a nerf machine. It's entirely dependent on what their goals for specific Champs are, and they've never severely altered any Champs since the current program has begun.
    Some Champs are just stronger than others at some aspects, and that's always been the case. I've seen a number of Champs that have been called too powerful over the years, and within 6 months time, people were so used to fighting them that they were scarcely challenging anymore.
    GW back to harvesting disagrees I see.

    Anyways, let me point out the obvious (for most people who actually play the game at least). No defender who has ever been called too powerful since the game's inception was objectively as powerful as Serpent is, you're out of your mind.
    That's dramatic.
    There are players that are better at the game than you'll ever be and they're saying the exact same things, nothing about this is dramatic, this is the most overpowered defender we have ever had in the game hands down and anyone who thinks otherwise is either just sucking off the devs or plays the game once a week.
    I think the most frustrating part is I expect them to not listen to the community. There was a little backlash over bullseye and photon not being changed, but serpent is on a whole other level. The posts made within the last few weeks already prove that. But I guess their DaTa is fully accurate and shows that serpent is super balanced and fair 🤓
    Lmao I'm willing to bet their data shows he wasn't getting many kills in BGs, not because he sucks but because he's banned 9 times out of 10.
    I truly don't expect anything from Kabam anymore this year, this has to be possibly one of the worst years for mcoc, not the worst but one of. Some might disagree, some might agree, but personally it has been nothing but disappointment for me since February.
    The year when 12.0 released was worse, but this is close.

    However we can only hope for the best, and hope that the next mystics released can counter him
    12.0 was a necessary change for the games longevity
    Sure it may have, but were you not around for when it was released and the outrage of the community?
    You 're comparing 12.0 to The Serpent not getting changed and saying their the same?
    Obviously they aren’t but both have or are receiving wide backlash from the community. I’m just saying that Kabam and the balancing team should reconsider their decisions
    12.0 affected everyone. The Serpent not getting changed only affects a fraction and by next month, those people will move on to something else.
  • xLunatiXxxLunatiXx Member Posts: 1,501 ★★★★★
    Nightheart said:

    Well folks I found another champ that can counter Serpent here she is
    https://youtu.be/ZtfKKJrytKQ?feature=shared

    The problem has never been killing him, but with enough HP and in a timely manner
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,689 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
  • Viper198787Viper198787 Member Posts: 613 ★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    Well Serpent seems designed to counter any mystic mechanics, so who knows. Maybe reworked Cyclops’ concussion beams will trigger a 125% concussion on him and he becomes the counter.
  • MavRCK_MavRCK_ Member Posts: 521 ★★★
    Massive power gain when dead - what’s wrong?! /s sheesh
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,274 ★★★★★
    Viper198787 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    Well Serpent seems designed to counter any mystic mechanics, so who knows. Maybe reworked Cyclops’ concussion beams will trigger a 125% concussion on him and he becomes the counter.
    Then players will get to use him VERY effectively!
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0.
    The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
    I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,274 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0.
    The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
    I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
    She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0.
    The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
    I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
    She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
    I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,274 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0.
    The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
    I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
    She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
    I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
    Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0.
    The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
    I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
    She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
    I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
    Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
    Praying that it is. Mephisto or Loki buff to counter him would go hard
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,617 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0.
    The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
    I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
    She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
    I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
    Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
    Praying that it is. Mephisto or Loki buff to counter him would go hard
    Who better to counter death immunity than the lord of the underworld aye? Mephisto could do with a buff on the attacking side.
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    PP96 said:

    This company is the definition of Canadian...

    Cooler, better looking, and smarter than Americans, you mean?
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,274 ★★★★★
    Bugmat78 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Emilia90 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Tedders said:

    I bet some of the upcoming champs are going to be hard serpent counters, that the only reason they didn't rebalance him

    I’m guessing Shathra will be one of those
    DLL said no hard counters like Galan Peni, don't expect anything like that.
    But she’ll probably end up being the best option for him. Definitely not a hard counter but probably the best we’ll get. One of the unannounced reworks could also be a mystic that does something similar
    The issue is I don't see how you could make a hard counter without it turning into Galan Peni 2.0.
    The #1 thing a hard counter would need is shutting down that death immunity buff, but if you do just that and he doesn't shut down anything else then that's not a hard counter that's just a counter, and if you do add power or buff control they do turn into a hard counter and you have another Galan Peni situation unless their damage is mid as hell like Negasonic and Patriot but if they do this route then we're back to step one. You will lose because of time.
    I think my hopes for a counter (assuming it’s Shathtra) is that she has a block regen mechanic, a way to turn off the death immunity, and good damage. That way she isn’t designed to counter all of his abilities (and like you said she’d just be a counter, not a hard one) but maybe she just switches that off and bursts him down quick enough. Maybe a new form of dot or something, but she can’t control his power gain
    She’s a mystic so she will be able to reduce or reverse his power gain, assuming she has that ability
    I guess we’ll see tomorrow. I was so hyped with all the info crashed gave and instantly lost a lot of hype when serpent was revealed to be staying the same
    Well maybe one of those secret reworks is another Serpent counter
    Praying that it is. Mephisto or Loki buff to counter him would go hard
    Who better to counter death immunity than the lord of the underworld aye? Mephisto could do with a buff on the attacking side.
    Plus Mephisto doesn’t even need a full rework, just a damage bunp and remove the persistent charge cost on the sp1. A Mr Sinister type of buff
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,689 ★★★★★
    Nightheart said:

    Well folks I found another champ that can counter Serpent here she is
    https://youtu.be/ZtfKKJrytKQ?feature=shared

    You nearly timed out lol
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,689 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    Colinwhitworth69 said:

    PP96 said:

    This company is the definition of Canadian...

    Cooler, better looking, and smarter than Americans, you mean?
    The third white knight has finally showed up, now the white knight council is officially complete.
    Do we have a black knight council?
    That would be the other 50 or so people with the torches and pitchforks on this thread.
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