So September is the 1 year anniversary of the 7* Incursions and Loyalty crystals

Oakenshield · August 30

Think they will be updated in the next patch?

captain_rogers · August 30

I guess so, also will the champs enter the basic pool immediately, or will they enter titan first?

And again, is there any other last minute deals or something (a selector maybe) to accquire one of those champs?

Oakenshield · August 30

I guess one tell will be if there are some unexpected new 7*s in next week’s build

Terminatrix · August 30

captain_rogers said:
I guess so, also will the champs enter the basic pool immediately, or will they enter titan first?

And again, is there any other last minute deals or something (a selector maybe) to accquire one of those champs?

Seems like they should enter the basic since the others were already like featureds

EdisonLaw · August 31

captain_rogers said:
I guess so, also will the champs enter the basic pool immediately, or will they enter titan first?

And again, is there any other last minute deals or something (a selector maybe) to accquire one of those champs?

Should be the basic pool, the legends celebration champs entered the basic pool, so should they

Hort4 · August 31

Hopefully they don’t change before I get one more crack at duping Black Cat.

Terminatrix · August 31

Hoping for an awesome update.

JLordVileJ · August 31

Kingpin and cgr are almost defo getting added

Pikolu · August 31

captain_rogers said:
I guess so, also will the champs enter the basic pool immediately, or will they enter titan first?

And again, is there any other last minute deals or something (a selector maybe) to accquire one of those champs?

The Titan pool is for new champions to join the 7* pool. Champions that exist in other crystals should never be joining it until the 7* pool is a lot more fleshed out.

captain_rogers · August 31

Hort4 said:
Hopefully they don’t change before I get one more crack at duping Black Cat.

Exactly my thoughts. I have her at r3 unduped. Love to dupe her (and get HB)

Elwind · August 31

1 year has passed but the crystals' champion pool is still the same.
This crystals' champion pools should have definitely changed this month.

Maat1985 · August 31

Elwind said:
1 year has passed but the crystals' champion pool is still the same.
This crystals' champion pools should have definitely changed this month.

why?
just because you think so?
they never said they would.
infact they said initially they would remain exclusive to these crystals "for atleast a year" indication that it would be a year at minimum but the implication was that it could remain for quite sometime after.

Mixtapevol02 · August 31

Please let me dupe my void first. If they roll out the new champs then they should at least consider having a bonus 1 time selector for the previous rotation, so people can have an option to choose the champ they have wanted.
And also mind shortening the wait timer, it would be a plus too.

Cloudddey_bro · August 31

Screw these crystals. Opened 2 of each for 2 namors and 2 mordos.

Oakenshield · September 3

No unexpected new champs in the update, so looks like they aren’t changing this month.

JLordVileJ · September 3

Oakenshield said:
No unexpected new champs in the update, so looks like they aren’t changing this month.

They might take champs that need high sig put of the basic and put them in

BigBlueOx · September 3

It’d be cool if the reunion pool moved into one of these and the current pool moved into the basic. Same if some of these other chase or special crystal champs… move them from that pool into the AW or Incursion pool and move the current pool into the basic

Bendy · September 3

BigBlueOx said:
It’d be cool if the reunion pool moved into one of these and the current pool moved into the basic. Same if some of these other chase or special crystal champs… move them from that pool into the AW or Incursion pool and move the current pool into the basic

These are suppose to be high sigs so someone like iceman should be added in one

Kabam Crashed · September 3

When we introduced these crystals, I said they would remain unchanged for at least a year. We deliberately included champions requiring high sig to give them some longevity, in case we decided against updating them. After reviewing the data, we have no plans to update these crystals.

In the case of the AW crystal, the idea was that including a champion chase would result in more players engaging with AW. I can't find any evidence of that. It looks like the same players that always played AW continue to play it, and the same players that didn't play AW continued to not play it. It creates a fun additional chase for those playing AW, but given there was effectively no discernable behaviour change, it seems unwise to use up six more champions in our 7-star runway to update the crystal.

On the Incursions side, our iteration on Saga Incursions has absolutely crushed our engagement targets. More players played Incursions for Arcade Games than any point aside from when Incursions replaced the Side Quest. Similar to AW, I don't believe updating the Incursions pool is going to bring anybody into Incursions that isn't already playing it. It might make a few people do Incursions in off cycles, but Saga Incursions is intended to be the late-game Incursions meta moving forward. So again, burning six champions from the runway to update the crystal for little to no benefit seems unwise.

I am not saying they will literally never change, but I will give players at least a few builds of warning if/when that happens. Until you hear more from us it's safe to assume they are not changing.

captain_rogers · September 3

@Kabam Crashed Thanks for the info. So is it safe to assume the pool won't change atleast until next year?

Also what about banquet and omega days pool (and invisible woman from romance crystal). Any plans on adding them to basic crystal pool soon?

Buttehrs · September 3

Kabam Crashed said:
When we introduced these crystals, I said they would remain unchanged for at least a year. We deliberately included champions requiring high sig to give them some longevity, in case we decided against updating them. After reviewing the data, we have no plans to update these crystals.

In the case of the AW crystal, the idea was that including a champion chase would result in more players engaging with AW. I can't find any evidence of that. It looks like the same players that always played AW continue to play it, and the same players that didn't play AW continued to not play it. It creates a fun additional chase for those playing AW, but given there was effectively no discernable behaviour change, it seems unwise to use up six more champions in our 7-star runway to update the crystal.

On the Incursions side, our iteration on Saga Incursions has absolutely crushed our engagement targets. More players played Incursions for Arcade Games than any point aside from when Incursions replaced the Side Quest. Similar to AW, I don't believe updating the Incursions pool is going to bring anybody into Incursions that isn't already playing it. It might make a few people do Incursions in off cycles, but Saga Incursions is intended to be the late-game Incursions meta moving forward. So again, burning six champions from the runway to update the crystal for little to no benefit seems unwise.

I am not saying they will literally never change, but I will give players at least a few builds of warning if/when that happens. Until you hear more from us it's safe to assume they are not changing.

So we're going from not changing for at least a year to not changing at all really? I'm willing to bet that info might actually push people to do more aw/incursions just to get all available champs and at decent sig levels.

Kabam Crashed · September 3

captain_rogers said:
@Kabam Crashed Thanks for the info. So is it safe to assume the pool won't change atleast until next year?

Also what about banquet and omega days pool (and invisible woman from romance crystal). Any plans on adding them to basic crystal pool soon?

Yes I can say with confidence at this point that the AW and Incursions crystals won't be changing at least until next year.

The current plan is for the 2023 Banquet champions (gifted guardians) to join the basic pool in either December or February 2025, likely December. No plans yet for Invisible woman or the Omega Days champions.

Oakenshield · September 3

Kabam Crashed said:

captain_rogers said:
@Kabam Crashed Thanks for the info. So is it safe to assume the pool won't change atleast until next year?

Also what about banquet and omega days pool (and invisible woman from romance crystal). Any plans on adding them to basic crystal pool soon?
Yes I can say with confidence at this point that the AW and Incursions crystals won't be changing at least until next year.

The current plan is for the 2023 Banquet champions (gifted guardians) to join the basic pool in either December or February 2025, likely December. No plans yet for Invisible woman or the Omega Days champions.

Thanks for the clear update - much appreciated.

DocWest · September 3

What’s the plan for the recent Reunion pool champs that we just had?

JLordVileJ · September 3

7 STAR ADAM POSSIBLY GOING IM BASIC LESSGO

Wolf911 · September 3

JLordVileJ said:
7 STAR ADAM POSSIBLY GOING IM BASIC LESSGO

my r3 waiting for the dupe for so long

captain_rogers · September 3

JLordVileJ said:
7 STAR ADAM POSSIBLY GOING IM BASIC LESSGO

I'm more excited about shocker 🔥

ShodaiHighkage · September 3

Kabam Crashed said:
When we introduced these crystals, I said they would remain unchanged for at least a year. We deliberately included champions requiring high sig to give them some longevity, in case we decided against updating them. After reviewing the data, we have no plans to update these crystals.

In the case of the AW crystal, the idea was that including a champion chase would result in more players engaging with AW. I can't find any evidence of that. It looks like the same players that always played AW continue to play it, and the same players that didn't play AW continued to not play it. It creates a fun additional chase for those playing AW, but given there was effectively no discernable behaviour change, it seems unwise to use up six more champions in our 7-star runway to update the crystal.

On the Incursions side, our iteration on Saga Incursions has absolutely crushed our engagement targets. More players played Incursions for Arcade Games than any point aside from when Incursions replaced the Side Quest. Similar to AW, I don't believe updating the Incursions pool is going to bring anybody into Incursions that isn't already playing it. It might make a few people do Incursions in off cycles, but Saga Incursions is intended to be the late-game Incursions meta moving forward. So again, burning six champions from the runway to update the crystal for little to no benefit seems unwise.

I am not saying they will literally never change, but I will give players at least a few builds of warning if/when that happens. Until you hear more from us it's safe to assume they are not changing.

AW engagement didn't go up, so we're not changing the crystal pool.

Incursions engagement went through the roof, so we're not changing the crystal pool.

Lol what

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Maverick75 · September 3

@Kabam Crashed

Thank you for the informations, that were waited for a long time.
They should be in an announcement or a special message, instead of the thread of a player, because interesting for a lot of players.

Kabam Crashed · September 3

ShodaiHighkage said:

Kabam Crashed said:
When we introduced these crystals, I said they would remain unchanged for at least a year. We deliberately included champions requiring high sig to give them some longevity, in case we decided against updating them. After reviewing the data, we have no plans to update these crystals.

In the case of the AW crystal, the idea was that including a champion chase would result in more players engaging with AW. I can't find any evidence of that. It looks like the same players that always played AW continue to play it, and the same players that didn't play AW continued to not play it. It creates a fun additional chase for those playing AW, but given there was effectively no discernable behaviour change, it seems unwise to use up six more champions in our 7-star runway to update the crystal.

On the Incursions side, our iteration on Saga Incursions has absolutely crushed our engagement targets. More players played Incursions for Arcade Games than any point aside from when Incursions replaced the Side Quest. Similar to AW, I don't believe updating the Incursions pool is going to bring anybody into Incursions that isn't already playing it. It might make a few people do Incursions in off cycles, but Saga Incursions is intended to be the late-game Incursions meta moving forward. So again, burning six champions from the runway to update the crystal for little to no benefit seems unwise.

I am not saying they will literally never change, but I will give players at least a few builds of warning if/when that happens. Until you hear more from us it's safe to assume they are not changing.
AW engagement didn't go up, so we're not changing the crystal pool.

Incursions engagement went through the roof, so we're not changing the crystal pool.

Lol what

Not sure if this is a good faith argument or not, but if you read what I wrote, Incursions engagement increased as a result of the work we did with Sagas. The spike happened long after the Incursions crystal was introduced, and it's clear the fact the crystal hasn't been updated is not holding back participation at all.

So September is the 1 year anniversary of the 7* Incursions and Loyalty crystals

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