It’s like you want us to play less

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  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    Eakomo said:

    so only 1 update this entire year, while we have had multiple saga sales and sales in the year, it doesn't make sense
    i spent $0 on this last saga sale. what did the whales get? a r3 nefaria and a bunch of new champs? the FOMO was rough but nefaria's been banned in what, 80% of the season? and might get blacklisted the next?

    and saga champs are "good" for 2 season before they get shelved.

    i whaled out in the omega days event and have a r3 sig 200 OR. haven't got much use out of him. are the casual spenders getting crushed with their r5 ascended omega red? no, they're doing just fine.

    the grass isn't always greener.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★

    While I appreciate the answer here, I wholeheartedly disagree with this line of thinking.

    Why? As it stands, even if you complete EVERY milestone in every arena each week, you're only looking at about 1000 units a week (plus Battlechips, but we all know how that goes), which is a hefty amount admittedly, but it requires you to spend a couple hours doing nothing but arena. Players already say the grind isn't worth it, so not many players will do this week to week like clockwork. And unless people grind THOUSANDS of units, the only thing they can use it for are crystals the occasional revive deal, or individual Revives as needed.

    Dont get me wrong, I understand it's a premium currency being given out only for time spent, but considering how low the yield is (considering again how most players don't consider arena to be worth their time), it seems weird to say "Okay, we'll give you some more rewards, but in return, we're going to remove some of the biggest reason people do this mode in the first place". Really just seems like a punishment for wanting better rewards. Either than, or they already regret being generous with units, and they're maintaining low rewards to compensate, which also seems not great.
    if you guys want an arena buff, we'll be doing A LOT MORE WORK for the SAME REWARDS, so don't ask! there's no magical rewards fairy that will sprinkle in some free stuff, they'll just take whatever's out there and spread it around and increase our workload. kabam doesn't lose but we will. DON'T ASK FOR AN ARENA BUFF, the dev is kind enough to let us know that it's not in our best interest and he's 100% right.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    Polygon said:

    Arena itself is tedious to get those units (this is coming from someone that maxes the milestones). Wouldn't you rather have them be put in other game modes? There's nothing as grindy and tedious as arena
    imo no. any change will make units will stay the same and only increase the grind. better to climb one mountain than two for the same rewards.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★

    “ do you really want the game's economy to be moving faster than it currently is? Do you want the 7-star lifecycle to be cut shorter, for us to introduce new ranks sooner?”

    At the same time, you can purchase this 4 times 🤦🏻‍♂️




    Make it make sense at least; that’s a terrible explanation.

    that offer is free money. those who don't want it don't get but there are many whales who will. that offer doesn't affect the economy and the game gets more funding. win win.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    1199345 said:

    Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit...go back and re-read my post...
    we can read just fine. you just want similar stuff to people who spend a fortune. "why can't we just get a little more....". cause the game doesn't work like that. you'll get everything eventually for free if you wait...
  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 561 ★★★

    we can read just fine. you just want similar stuff to people who spend a fortune. "why can't we just get a little more....". cause the game doesn't work like that. you'll get everything eventually for free if you wait...
    I didn't say that either...
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    edited September 2024
    1199345 said:

    I didn't say that either...
    we've heard it for years lol

    injustice
    not fair
    why can't...

    tl:dr cause whales are spending a fortune so everyone else can play for free

    if anyone gets to complain, it's actually them. they pay steep early adopter fees for stuff that gets devalued quick.
  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 561 ★★★
    edited September 2024

    we've heard it for years lol

    injustice
    not fair
    why can't...

    tl:dr cause whales are spending a fortune so everyone else can play for free

    if anyone gets to complain, it's actually them. they pay steep early adopter fees for stuff that gets devalued quick.
    Here's a tip: Read what people are actually saying instead of what you *think* they're saying, and don't quote them as saying something that they never said...
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    1199345 said:

    Here's a tip: Read what people are actually saying instead of what you *think* they're saying, and don't quote them as saying something that they never said...
    you're complaining about:

    "bunk rewards"
    what harm is an extra "20 units" in arena?
    whales are getting fed while everyone else is starving
    the gap is increasing and everyone else is getting stomped

    it's the classic forum complaint and it's wrong as usual.

    the gap is not increasing if it did the game would be at risk which it is not. the spending/f2p gap always stabilizes and the f2p always catch up.

    a 4* crystal use to sell for 2500 units and whales would buy them. how much are their 4*s worth now? actually...how much were their 4*s worth in 2018? worthless...let alone 6 years later.

    was f2p getting crushed back then? temporarily maybe. in the long run no, they're still alive and still around and still thriving.


  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 561 ★★★

    you're complaining about:

    "bunk rewards"
    what harm is an extra "20 units" in arena?
    whales are getting fed while everyone else is starving
    the gap is increasing and everyone else is getting stomped

    it's the classic forum complaint and it's wrong as usual.

    the gap is not increasing if it did the game would be at risk which it is not. the spending/f2p gap always stabilizes and the f2p always catch up.

    a 4* crystal use to sell for 2500 units and whales would buy them. how much are their 4*s worth now? actually...how much were their 4*s worth in 2018? worthless...let alone 6 years later.

    was f2p getting crushed back then? temporarily maybe. in the long run no, they're still alive and still around and still thriving.


    You at least got part of what I said correct this time...
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    this is an injustice! whales are crushing us with their 4* rosters and 5* sig stone offers! spending gap! slap to the face! the game's dying! boycott! everyone stop spending! oh noes!




  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    notice how you always hear about outcome inequality but you never hear about effort inequality..hmm.

    maybe the complainers should try spending $50k a year on the game and see what it's like..
  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 561 ★★★

    notice how you always hear about outcome inequality but you never hear about effort inequality..hmm.

    maybe the complainers should try spending $50k a year on the game and see what it's like..

    Good luck getting anybody to feel bad for someone who KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY chooses to spend $50k a year on one of the single worse depreciating assets this side of a scratch-off lottery ticket...

    Not gonna happen...

    Also, to your point, spending $50k a year on a game takes as much effort as spending $1...

    It's literally a tap of a button...
  • ST4RL0RD08ST4RL0RD08 Member Posts: 15
    When are they going to redo the apothecary? It’s been over a year of this absolute trash! Level 1 health potions and 1 revive for exploration without even an option to auto complete?! It’s beyond a joke. EOP runs and Carina challenges are nigh on impossible now, even more so in combination with the state of Ai and dropped inputs as they are. Rework this please, the community HATED the change when you implemented it, but you didn’t listen. If you carry on this way (just blindsiding and trying to shaft the community at every opportunity,) you will just kill the game. You guys never give the community even a tiny win. It’s always pure greed and trying to shaft us. LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS FOR GOD SAKE!
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    1199345 said:

    Good luck getting anybody to feel bad for someone who KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY chooses to spend $50k a year on one of the single worse depreciating assets this side of a scratch-off lottery ticket...

    Not gonna happen...

    Also, to your point, spending $50k a year on a game takes as much effort as spending $1...

    It's literally a tap of a button...
    nice. you admitted that the newest resources suffer from massive deprecation.

    next you might retract your earlier statement that it's unjust that whales are light years ahead.

    "Admit it: The whales and top tier players have launched into a different galaxy at this point, and the rest of us are still stuck here on Earth. We're not asking to catch up to them, but it would be nice to at least get to Mars..."
    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2638430/#Comment_2638430
  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 561 ★★★

    nice. you admitted that the newest resources suffer from massive deprecation.

    next you might retract your earlier statement that it's unjust that whales are light years ahead.

    "Admit it: The whales and top tier players have launched into a different galaxy at this point, and the rest of us are still stuck here on Earth. We're not asking to catch up to them, but it would be nice to at least get to Mars..."
    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2638430/#Comment_2638430
    You REALLY have an issue with comprehension...
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    1199345 said:

    You REALLY have an issue with comprehension...
    wouldn't it be nice if everyone spent so that kabam wouldn't monetize the way they do and everybody could "get to mars"?
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,187 ★★★★★
    1199345 said:

    The problem is having to face an AI that's rapidly increasing in difficulty, while fighting champs who are rapidly increasing in difficulty, and earning relatively the same stagnant rewards that we've been getting for years now; The overall difficulty has rapidly and substantially increased across all game modes, yet the rewards have largely remained the same...
    AI difficulty - AI hasn't affected me personally, but yes they don't use specials and wait out power stings, etc. but it's something we all have to deal with.

    difficult defenders - yes....bullseye, serpent, and enchantress. and onslaught, photon, and maestro before it but the latter 3 aren't broken anymore and the former 3 will have the same fate. community overcomes.

    "same stagnant rewards for year" = not true. noticeable buff to glory when it happened, solid buff to BGs, big buff to AW.

    "increase difficulty, rewards have largely remained the same" = incorrect, see above. but also rewards will probably get buffed soonish after cyber monday and gifting. also asking for better stuff will needlessly accelerate the game. why do we want 8*s faster?

    we complain no matter what. if they slow down on rewards we complain and if they speed up we will eventually cry about 8 stars.

    i'm not shilling for them but let's let kabam handle it. they've been responsible with the economy, nothing too out there so far although personally i wish they'd go slower because at this rate we're getting the next rarity faster than last time...
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,491 ★★★★★
    hurricant said:

    Also the paragon gauntlet shouldn't be locked away behind exploration. Put it behind completion and you'll see more engagement. Valiants don't have trouble with TB content. It's just not worth the time and energy spent on it.

    Correct - every month I watch and then blitz it in 2 days of the last week, but really this month I think I'm going to skip TB exploration altogether. Did TB completion and I think I'll leave it there unless I want to ascend someone (which is the only reason I do the gauntlet).
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,491 ★★★★★
    edited September 2024


    EQ and SQ - Rewards are fine for the level difficulty. We have some large changes planned for these modes we are working on that will help us scale both difficulty and rewards in the future.



    Looking forward to this as, (apart from the wildly outdated sigil store) this is my biggest gripe - particularly EQs (I don't mind SQs as they are usually short).

    I prefer grinding arena to exploring TB eq. It's not the difficulty but the grinding nature for those rewards, given we also have to grind AW, AQ and BGs.

    I know we aren't mandated to do all content so I will start leaving it out until I see these changes, personally.
  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 561 ★★★
    edited September 2024

    AI difficulty - AI hasn't affected me personally, but yes they don't use specials and wait out power stings, etc. but it's something we all have to deal with.

    difficult defenders - yes....bullseye, serpent, and enchantress. and onslaught, photon, and maestro before it but the latter 3 aren't broken anymore and the former 3 will have the same fate. community overcomes.

    "same stagnant rewards for year" = not true. noticeable buff to glory when it happened, solid buff to BGs, big buff to AW.

    "increase difficulty, rewards have largely remained the same" = incorrect, see above. but also rewards will probably get buffed soonish after cyber monday and gifting. also asking for better stuff will needlessly accelerate the game. why do we want 8*s faster?

    we complain no matter what. if they slow down on rewards we complain and if they speed up we will eventually cry about 8 stars.

    i'm not shilling for them but let's let kabam handle it. they've been responsible with the economy, nothing too out there so far although personally i wish they'd go slower because at this rate we're getting the next rarity faster than last time...
    I said "relatively the same stagnant rewards", not "the same stagnant rewards"...re-read it...you misquoted again to fit the argument you're trying to make...
  • BloodreaperBloodreaper Member Posts: 69
    Shouldnt have changed the event ui
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Member Posts: 2,412 ★★★★
    Zuro said:

    Don't get me started on how they took FOREVER to update solo crystals that people hoarded now we are just stuck with these garbage iso and gold crystals

    thats kinda the point tho.
    while ever people have so much hoarded they can never be updated to anything meaningful.
    else that will just screw the game economy.

    they could make a new crystal shard and stop handing out the old one, but the old shards will still remain useless.
    any update they did for the current shards whilst potentially better than what it currently is will still have to fall well short of anything meaningful else all it does is reward summoners ho hoarded whilst punishing those that opened. encouraging future hoarding whilst at the same time flooding the game with whatever they put it, thereby instantly diminishing its value
  • Steam97Steam97 Member Posts: 278 ★★★

    AI difficulty - AI hasn't affected me personally, but yes they don't use specials and wait out power stings, etc. but it's something we all have to deal with.

    difficult defenders - yes....bullseye, serpent, and enchantress. and onslaught, photon, and maestro before it but the latter 3 aren't broken anymore and the former 3 will have the same fate. community overcomes.

    "same stagnant rewards for year" = not true. noticeable buff to glory when it happened, solid buff to BGs, big buff to AW.

    "increase difficulty, rewards have largely remained the same" = incorrect, see above. but also rewards will probably get buffed soonish after cyber monday and gifting. also asking for better stuff will needlessly accelerate the game. why do we want 8*s faster?

    we complain no matter what. if they slow down on rewards we complain and if they speed up we will eventually cry about 8 stars.

    i'm not shilling for them but let's let kabam handle it. they've been responsible with the economy, nothing too out there so far although personally i wish they'd go slower because at this rate we're getting the next rarity faster than last time...
    Can you tell me what buff to glory you're mentioning? Nothing changed in AQ except raids in more than a year, last bg update was more than 6 months ago and they have other parts of the game requiring more attention, but there are still some aspects not perfect there, like the circuit rewards honestly have so much useless relic stuff that should be updated, relics are dead but at least giving some materials to r3 the 6 star relics can still excite some players. War has good rewards only for plat 1+ alliances.
    Then I have no idea why u keep mentioning 8 stars, there are still 3 ranks for 7 stars before they're maxed out and we still have a long way ahead before we can even think about those, and buffing some outdated game modes means nothing on 8 stars but yeah thet can't change too much but still ignoring some stuff for so long eventually makes something die. You're definitely trying to defend kabam but you know they're not perfect like you think they are, and made many mistakes over the years, like last year banquet event. Like the current state of the monthly events is really sad, we all used to be excited to play the new monthly content while right now is just not fun and not rewarding and many stopped playing it and I hope they don't let it die like it looks like they're doing. I know crashed said they're working on an update but in this game it means little to nothing until we see something.
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