Kabam, please explain: Nefaria >>> Shafra

Can we maybe have an explanation as to why the SUMMONER CHOICE WINNER is a mid tier champ and yet the random champ released the same month is leagues beyond her?

She literally has zero immunities, damage is mid, power control practically doesn't exist and she can't even counter the biggest Comsic threat in the game, Serpent.

But the champ released in the same month who most people don't know has literally everything; immunity, huge resistances across the board, damage, power control, regen control.

How does this make sense? I'm not saying summoner choice champs should be Herc level but at the very least be the better of the two champs released in the month 🤣

May as well scrap the summoner choice if they going to continue being underwhelming, why gey people excited for such a crapfest?

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Bendy

She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

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13579rebel_

I actually knew Nefaria before I came to the game

I knew nothing about Shathra until this year's summoner's choice

NONYABIZZ

Shatras damage is not mid, you literally can spam back to back sp2's, which TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO ACQUIRE.
Shathra is a very good mystic champion, has atrophy, works very well against serpent can take alot of cosmic defenders and is NON RELIANT on buffs so is very versatile
I know y'all complain about everything but at some point y'all need to be serious for once.
Kabam did a VERY GOOD JOB with her.

JLordVileJ

Summoners choice doesn't mean broken, curb your herc expectations

Bendy

Shatras damage is not mid, you literally can spam back to back sp2's, which TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO TIME TO ACQUIRE.
Shathra is a very good mystic champion, has atrophy, works very well against serpent can take alot of cosmic defenders and is NON RELIANT on buffs so is very versatile
I know y'all complain about everything but at some point y'all need to be serious for once.
Kabam did a VERY GOOD JOB with her.

Shes also better than glad when he dropped so they really did do a good job on her

Vance2_jr

No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.

Buttehrs

Just because herc was super op and broken doesn't mean all summoners choice champs must be as well. If anything, they'd nerf herc if they could. They've even said as much. On the other hand, shathra is by no means bad and nefaria is not 1000% better champ than she is. They just do different things.

altavista

No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.

May I ask how it makes Ham (or other spider champs) killer? Because it just looks like poison immunity and unblockable specials, which don't particularly seem like things that synergize much with Spider champion playstyles. In contrast, Galan's Herald gets unblockable specials plus the unblockable lasts beyond that, which synergizes with Cosmic Buff heavy playstyles.

As to OP - until a bunch of players get Nefaria and Shathra into their hands and do extensive testing, no one can convincingly argue that Nefaria >>> Shathra. Nefaria might seem to have a huge list of abilities compared to Shathra, but that doesn't mean that he is better.

And, you are mistaking what the purpose of the Community choice vote is. It is not to vote on who will be an amazing champion because they are the vote winner; it is to vote on who will appear in the game sooner rather than later.

Bendy

No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.
May I ask how it makes Ham (or other spider champs) killer? Because it just looks like poison immunity and unblockable specials, which don't particularly seem like things that synergize much with Spider champion playstyles. In contrast, Galan's Herald gets unblockable specials plus the unblockable lasts beyond that, which synergizes with Cosmic Buff heavy playstyles.

As to OP - until a bunch of players get Nefaria and Shathra into their hands and do extensive testing, no one can convincingly argue that Nefaria >>> Shathra. Nefaria might seem to have a huge list of abilities compared to Shathra, but that doesn't mean that he is better.

And, you are mistaking what the purpose of the Community choice vote is. It is not to vote on who will be an amazing champion because they are the vote winner; it is to vote on who will appear in the game sooner rather than later.

The synergy for ham lets taunt last longer and sp2 pauses the reset timer but basically can stack more on

Emilia90

I don’t understand the Shathra hate. She has some cool stuff, she’s not mid at least like a lot of other champs this year

Super_Cretu90

Summoners choice doesn't mean broken, curb your herc expectations

Good one, but I agree with you.

pseudosane

She hasnt been in the game two weeks and she is already mid? Dang you move fast.

DNA3000

Can we maybe have an explanation as to why the SUMMONER CHOICE WINNER is a mid tier champ and yet the random champ released the same month is leagues beyond her?

That's easy. Whenever there is a summoner's choice champion there will be those players who have ludicrous expectations for that champion and will grade them on a completely different curve than any other champion, because they are operating under the delusion that because the champion is a summoner's choice champion the developers have an obligation to go out of their way to make them as overpowered as possible.

That, and champion evaluations in the first couple weeks are completely untrustworthy. Historically speaking, they don't even bat .500 when it comes to long term champion value.

So, the explanation is: unrealistic expectations combine with inaccurate evaluations to produce a lot of unjustified whining.

EdisonLaw

I don’t understand the Shathra hate. She has some cool stuff, she’s not mid at least like a lot of other champs this year

People are expecting another Hercules

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victor158

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVgDMNEoN4

mid champ fr. please never use her

edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.

BringPopcorn

Summoner choice or not they are always subject to review... Gladiator was trash at release

Nemesis_17

Is this satire? Half the things listed are just true statements with the word “not” inserted somewhere. Her damage is far from mid, she is a serpent counter, and she nukes maestro, making her a relevant counter to the two toughest cosmic defenders in the game. Idk how that’s not good enough.

Colinwhitworth69

May as well scrap the summoner choice if they going to continue being underwhelming, why gey people excited for such a crapfest?

“gey people”?

I hope that’s some odd typo and not what I think.

Nightheart

Shahtra is a better champ than Gladiator

HuskerCool

May as well scrap the summoner choice if they going to continue being underwhelming, why gey people excited for such a crapfest?
“gey people”?

I hope that’s some odd typo and not what I think.

Likely meant ‘get’

DNA3000

Realistically, Nefaria is designed to be better and more valuable than Shathra because he was a buyable champ and not $30 buyable, hundreds of dollars he HAD to be better, even best champ of year otherwise nobody would participate in the next sale they release for a new champ. Shathra was doomed to be the lesser champ since that choice was made... if she took Nefarias place as a sale item, this thread wouldn't exist I guarantee

I wish there was some way to actually take these bets. Because then I wouldn't be reading the forums, I would be owning the forums. And the game, and the studio, and the publisher, and most of South Korea by now.

No I'm not kidding, not even a little bit.

BringPopcorn

Voting something and not performing as expected.... If only happened in MCoC...

WednesdayLength

She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

She doesn't have the best atrophy, that's kindred

victor158

She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him
She doesn't have the best atrophy, that's kindred

yea hers is 70%, his is 30% but u can stack 3. the only difference is that shathra seems to actually have damage compared to kindred

PT_99

She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him

Lol no,
Only thing she does to him is atrophy, her sp2 damage is laughable at best, power steal doesn't do anything to Serpent and outside of sp2, she hits like damageless vision.

PT_99

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVgDMNEoN4

mid champ fr. please never use her

edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.

"Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?"
😀👍
Forume MEMEber strike again.

PT_99

Is this satire? Half the things listed are just true statements with the word “not” inserted somewhere. Her damage is far from mid, she is a serpent counter, and she nukes maestro, making her a relevant counter to the two toughest cosmic defenders in the game. Idk how that’s not good enough.

She's not a serpent counter, takes equal or more time that Chavez, Wiccan, wolf, Wigra takes 🙄

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