edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.
"Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?" 😀👍 Forume MEMEber strike again.
I honestly don't understand when a player says X champ is good and shows a Rol fight.
And OP, galan is better than QS and ironman is better than gladiator. So this phenomenon is not new.
edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.
"Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?" 😀👍 Forume MEMEber strike again.
I honestly don't understand when a player says X champ is good and shows a Rol fight.
And OP, galan is better than QS and ironman is better than gladiator. So this phenomenon is not new.
Nah its definitely not new unfortunately, that's kinda the issue.
Kabam are so scared at another Herc that they hold back on champs and clearly hold back even more on Summoner Choice winners.
Just makes you think Summoners Choice is kinda pointless... all well and good getting champs we choose and want to see I'm game but if they're not meta then they get left behind, like I actually really like Silver Sable, pulled & duped her; nice utility, I like the shocks and the traps as its fun to push them to a wall, dash back intercept and keep triggering the tramps but her damage is so low that she's no use in BG and now she's sat at r1 and won't move unless she's buffed.. Shathra will be the same which is even worse for a chosen champ
She does counter serpent she has the highest atrophy can power control him
She doesn't have the best atrophy, that's kindred
yea hers is 70%, his is 30% but u can stack 3. the only difference is that shathra seems to actually have damage compared to kindred
Kindred has stronger overall atrophy which is all that really matters, and he's hardly a nuke but I think he's got decent damage on balance with his sustainability
No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.
May I ask how it makes Ham (or other spider champs) killer? Because it just looks like poison immunity and unblockable specials, which don't particularly seem like things that synergize much with Spider champion playstyles. In contrast, Galan's Herald gets unblockable specials plus the unblockable lasts beyond that, which synergizes with Cosmic Buff heavy playstyles.
As to OP - until a bunch of players get Nefaria and Shathra into their hands and do extensive testing, no one can convincingly argue that Nefaria >>> Shathra. Nefaria might seem to have a huge list of abilities compared to Shathra, but that doesn't mean that he is better.
And, you are mistaking what the purpose of the Community choice vote is. It is not to vote on who will be an amazing champion because they are the vote winner; it is to vote on who will appear in the game sooner rather than later.
You know she has synergies to give specific spider champs much stronger use of the pre fight right?
edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.
"Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?" 😀👍 Forume MEMEber strike again.
I honestly don't understand when a player says X champ is good and shows a Rol fight.
And OP, galan is better than QS and ironman is better than gladiator. So this phenomenon is not new.
Nah its definitely not new unfortunately, that's kinda the issue.
Kabam are so scared at another Herc that they hold back on champs and clearly hold back even more on Summoner Choice winners.
Just makes you think Summoners Choice is kinda pointless... all well and good getting champs we choose and want to see I'm game but if they're not meta then they get left behind, like I actually really like Silver Sable, pulled & duped her; nice utility, I like the shocks and the traps as its fun to push them to a wall, dash back intercept and keep triggering the tramps but her damage is so low that she's no use in BG and now she's sat at r1 and won't move unless she's buffed.. Shathra will be the same which is even worse for a chosen champ
You're so wrong lmao. Shathra is definitely wayy better than sable. Also summoner's choice != Busted champ. It is a way for players to choose a certain champ to enter the game. There is no rule saying summoner's choice champ should be absolute got tier champ. At the same time, They should be useful and meta relevant.
Qs is meta relevant when he was introduced. Gladiator was mid, but became a power house after the buff. Shathra was new, If she is mid, she'll get a bufg as well.
Kabam is obviously intimidated by herc, He is just too strong and is kinda unhealthy for the game.
No one is immune to eggs or wasps. And her preflight for spider champs is killer. She makes ham even more of a beast. I have zero issues with her other than I don’t have her duped yet.
Is this satire? Half the things listed are just true statements with the word “not” inserted somewhere. Her damage is far from mid, she is a serpent counter, and she nukes maestro, making her a relevant counter to the two toughest cosmic defenders in the game. Idk how that’s not good enough.
She's not a serpent counter, takes equal or more time that Chavez, Wiccan, wolf, Wigra takes 🙄
I have seen her takedown serpent in under 50s. Compared to what we have now that’s plenty fast enough.
Is this satire? Half the things listed are just true statements with the word “not” inserted somewhere. Her damage is far from mid, she is a serpent counter, and she nukes maestro, making her a relevant counter to the two toughest cosmic defenders in the game. Idk how that’s not good enough.
She's not a serpent counter, takes equal or more time that Chavez, Wiccan, wolf, Wigra takes 🙄
So what?
She does things none of those champions you list can do (Atrophy). With how big the overall roster is and what players invest in to rank champions up, there’s gonna be a ton of overlap in what champions do (in this case Serpent counter). There will be various nodes that will hamper each of these champions, so having different options is great.
Side note: I remember all the outcry about how Serpent should be nerfed because of the limited counters, but now to dump on Shathra, there are all these viable counters. Wiccan’s neutralize doesn’t work all the time against Serpent… but apparently is evidence for how ‘bad’ Shathra is.
Shathra is good and she is a 'doable' counter of serpent. But the problem with her, as you say that summoner choice champ is worse than a random champion come with her. Count should be come alone, similar to onslaught and with shathra, there should a champion also came which is worse than shathra but still quite good. If shathra athropy reduces buff duration 100%, then she is a really summoner's choice champion and becomes one of the best mystic.
edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.
"Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?" 😀👍 Forume MEMEber strike again.
I honestly don't understand when a player says X champ is good and shows a Rol fight.
And OP, galan is better than QS and ironman is better than gladiator. So this phenomenon is not new.
You guys put way too much emphasis on a summoner choice, it was not a landslide vote, no kit or abilities were revealed before voting. All you had was a picture and a name...
Is this satire? Half the things listed are just true statements with the word “not” inserted somewhere. Her damage is far from mid, she is a serpent counter, and she nukes maestro, making her a relevant counter to the two toughest cosmic defenders in the game. Idk how that’s not good enough.
She's not a serpent counter, takes equal or more time that Chavez, Wiccan, wolf, Wigra takes 🙄
She finishes faster than all of them, you clearly haven’t seen any BG gameplay of her, you comparing her to Dvis is stupid, her sp2 damage on its own is alright but you can spam it and she can cook
She's good in her own way. Give her time to shine, but I do agree that summoners choice champs should be better than (buffed) gladiator is. He's just like any other champ
You guys put way too much emphasis on a summoner choice, it was not a landslide vote, no kit or abilities were revealed before voting. All you had was a picture and a name...
You guys put way too much emphasis on a summoner choice, it was not a landslide vote, no kit or abilities were revealed before voting. All you had was a picture and a name...
If Blob had won...
If only 🥰🥰🥰.
We would be talking about a big fat disappointment...just because most people are expecting the likes of Hercules..
edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.
"Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?" 😀👍 Forume MEMEber strike again.
I honestly don't understand when a player says X champ is good and shows a Rol fight.
And OP, galan is better than QS and ironman is better than gladiator. So this phenomenon is not new.
Nah its definitely not new unfortunately, that's kinda the issue.
Kabam are so scared at another Herc that they hold back on champs and clearly hold back even more on Summoner Choice winners.
Just makes you think Summoners Choice is kinda pointless... all well and good getting champs we choose and want to see I'm game but if they're not meta then they get left behind, like I actually really like Silver Sable, pulled & duped her; nice utility, I like the shocks and the traps as its fun to push them to a wall, dash back intercept and keep triggering the tramps but her damage is so low that she's no use in BG and now she's sat at r1 and won't move unless she's buffed.. Shathra will be the same which is even worse for a chosen champ
You're so wrong lmao. Shathra is definitely wayy better than sable. Also summoner's choice != Busted champ. It is a way for players to choose a certain champ to enter the game. There is no rule saying summoner's choice champ should be absolute got tier champ. At the same time, They should be useful and meta relevant.
Qs is meta relevant when he was introduced. Gladiator was mid, but became a power house after the buff. Shathra was new, If she is mid, she'll get a bufg as well.
Kabam is obviously intimidated by herc, He is just too strong and is kinda unhealthy for the game.
I wasn't saying Silver Sable is better than Shathra 🤣 just an example, there's champs I enjoy playing that won't get ranked because they're just not good enough.
Again, not broken but I dont see why they shouldn't be god tier? Look at the champs released lately; Onslaught, Bullseye, Serpent, Nefaria all VERY powerful champs released that Kabam are happy with and perform well, imo Summoner's Choice SHOULD be one of them, the fact that they're not is just beyond stupid to me ... there no where I have said here SC champs should be herc level but I'd argue they should be the best or arguably the best champ released that year because a champion WILL take that mantle so why wouldn't it be the one that is CHOSEN by the players, that is anticipated by the players for months.
The whole reason for the choice it to get summoners excited for a specific champion, I dont know about the rest of you but my excitement for summoners choice doesn't exist for the next go around because there almost a guarantee that they WON'T be the best champ of the year and I chase the best champs 🤷♂️
edit: i dont think people appreciate how strong buff duration reduction is. I have maintained the perspective that if mojo started in bgs with 3 or 4 charges hed be one of the most used champs. shes been out for less than 2 weeks, hasnt even had a chance to be used extensively in bgs, or war properly but already people are making these wild assumptions. again, buff duration reduction is so extremely useful and given how few champs have it currently (mojo, kindred, and shathra) anyone that has buffs that arent permanent, and nodes with buffs every couple seconds eg (arc overload, zero to hero), are affected.
"Uhhh look guys, my 7r3 awakened fully boosted with recoils shahtra is beating up one of the worst defender in game, isn't she fun?" 😀👍 Forume MEMEber strike again.
i dare you to find a r3 doing a rol fight in 20 seconds even at r3 boosted suis all that, that you consider "mid". juggs doing rol fights in 20 seconds = omg hes so good, shathra doing = mediocre? normally champs that are fast in rol, are also fast in bgs (shocking i know), thats why people bring it up. sure without suis + boosts it might take 2 sp2 in longer fights, but with her inbuilt power thats still sub 50 seconds, similar to chavez in how much power she has access to. also ignoring the utility that she also has is silly.
why are yall so insistent on hating every single new character before theyre even fully out ill never know. especially when she already seems to be very good already
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And OP, galan is better than QS and ironman is better than gladiator. So this phenomenon is not new.
Kabam are so scared at another Herc that they hold back on champs and clearly hold back even more on Summoner Choice winners.
Just makes you think Summoners Choice is kinda pointless... all well and good getting champs we choose and want to see I'm game but if they're not meta then they get left behind, like I actually really like Silver Sable, pulled & duped her; nice utility, I like the shocks and the traps as its fun to push them to a wall, dash back intercept and keep triggering the tramps but her damage is so low that she's no use in BG and now she's sat at r1 and won't move unless she's buffed.. Shathra will be the same which is even worse for a chosen champ
Qs is meta relevant when he was introduced.
Gladiator was mid, but became a power house after the buff.
Shathra was new, If she is mid, she'll get a bufg as well.
Kabam is obviously intimidated by herc, He is just too strong and is kinda unhealthy for the game.
She does things none of those champions you list can do (Atrophy). With how big the overall roster is and what players invest in to rank champions up, there’s gonna be a ton of overlap in what champions do (in this case Serpent counter). There will be various nodes that will hamper each of these champions, so having different options is great.
Side note: I remember all the outcry about how Serpent should be nerfed because of the limited counters, but now to dump on Shathra, there are all these viable counters. Wiccan’s neutralize doesn’t work all the time against Serpent… but apparently is evidence for how ‘bad’ Shathra is.
If Blob had won...
Again, not broken but I dont see why they shouldn't be god tier? Look at the champs released lately; Onslaught, Bullseye, Serpent, Nefaria all VERY powerful champs released that Kabam are happy with and perform well, imo Summoner's Choice SHOULD be one of them, the fact that they're not is just beyond stupid to me ... there no where I have said here SC champs should be herc level but I'd argue they should be the best or arguably the best champ released that year because a champion WILL take that mantle so why wouldn't it be the one that is CHOSEN by the players, that is anticipated by the players for months.
The whole reason for the choice it to get summoners excited for a specific champion, I dont know about the rest of you but my excitement for summoners choice doesn't exist for the next go around because there almost a guarantee that they WON'T be the best champ of the year and I chase the best champs 🤷♂️
why are yall so insistent on hating every single new character before theyre even fully out ill never know. especially when she already seems to be very good already