Your thoughts on Arcade?

AkashPRajput · October 20

I have seen that people kinda have mixed reviews about him. Some love him and some completely hate him. Regardless, everyone says he is great as a defender but okayish as an attacker. Is he worth ranking up to R5 or even R3?

Squidopus · October 20

I like him a lot, I need Kabam to give me a rarity higher than 5*. I think he’s got room for a buff, but I’d probably still use him a ton regardless. I actually think his defensive value is just okay? I haven’t had too many problems with him yet and people don’t seem to rate him high enough to put him in bg decks and such. I think Kabam may have actually undershot their intent a little, we’ll see if Kabam agrees. It’s not off the table, Attuma was already a good defender pre-buff but they saw fit to buff him anyways because he wasn’t as good as they wanted him to be.

On attack his damage is okay, again could use a buff but I can live with bad damage. The buff I most want though is just that he keeps his prefights until the opponent is dead, not just for one fight. He has a lot of neat utility behind his prefights, including valuable immunities, and it sucks to lose them because you messed up once. When I use him I go “wow I can use him to cover several fights here, what great role compression” and then “oh wait that depends on his prefights, if I die and lose them I’m stuck. I need to bring backup options” and finally “if I’m bringing a bunch of champs to handle every fight Arcade does in case he loses the prefights why am I bringing him anyways?” Like I could use him for hazard shift, except I need to bring actual immunities in case I die with Arcade so like what’s the point of using a team slot for him objectively speaking (I’d use him anyways because I like him but it’s not really sound logic).

TLDR I like him and would rank him up, but definitely could use a buff on attack (duh) and maybe even defense (controversial?). Please at least let him hold onto his prefights after dying.

Ansh_A · October 20

His value as a defender has been exaggerated because Kabam has released a few times now on nodes where his auto block accuracy is increased. If that was naturally part of his kit or sig ability, i can see him being a nuisance on defense. For now, he is average on defense when placed without nodes.

As an attacker, his damage is very low in comparison to other tech champs. It takes forever to defeat an opponent. Utility is good but i see him falling in the same boat as CASW in the meta. Except i enjoy playing with CASW and find Arcade clunky

Emilia90 · October 20

Squidopus said:
I like him a lot, I need Kabam to give me a rarity higher than 5*. I think he’s got room for a buff, but I’d probably still use him a ton regardless. I actually think his defensive value is just okay? I haven’t had too many problems with him yet and people don’t seem to rate him high enough to put him in bg decks and such. I think Kabam may have actually undershot their intent a little, we’ll see if Kabam agrees. It’s not off the table, Attuma was already a good defender pre-buff but they saw fit to buff him anyways because he wasn’t as good as they wanted him to be.

On attack his damage is okay, again could use a buff but I can live with bad damage. The buff I most want though is just that he keeps his prefights until the opponent is dead, not just for one fight. He has a lot of neat utility behind his prefights, including valuable immunities, and it sucks to lose them because you messed up once. When I use him I go “wow I can use him to cover several fights here, what great role compression” and then “oh wait that depends on his prefights, if I die and lose them I’m stuck. I need to bring backup options” and finally “if I’m bringing a bunch of champs to handle every fight Arcade does in case he loses the prefights why am I bringing him anyways?” Like I could use him for hazard shift, except I need to bring actual immunities in case I die with Arcade so like what’s the point of using a team slot for him objectively speaking (I’d use him anyways because I like him but it’s not really sound logic).

TLDR I like him and would rank him up, but definitely could use a buff on attack (duh) and maybe even defense (controversial?). Please at least let him hold onto his prefights after dying.

He’s definitely undertuned as a defender compared to what I think they wanted. He’s tagged as a 4/5 (same as Sassy, half a point lower than champs like Bullseye and Photon) and he’s nowhere near the level of any of those champs. I’d argue that champs with lower defensive threat rankings (like Dust at 3) are way harder than him

Squidopus · October 20

Emilia90 said:

Squidopus said:
I like him a lot, I need Kabam to give me a rarity higher than 5*. I think he’s got room for a buff, but I’d probably still use him a ton regardless. I actually think his defensive value is just okay? I haven’t had too many problems with him yet and people don’t seem to rate him high enough to put him in bg decks and such. I think Kabam may have actually undershot their intent a little, we’ll see if Kabam agrees. It’s not off the table, Attuma was already a good defender pre-buff but they saw fit to buff him anyways because he wasn’t as good as they wanted him to be.

On attack his damage is okay, again could use a buff but I can live with bad damage. The buff I most want though is just that he keeps his prefights until the opponent is dead, not just for one fight. He has a lot of neat utility behind his prefights, including valuable immunities, and it sucks to lose them because you messed up once. When I use him I go “wow I can use him to cover several fights here, what great role compression” and then “oh wait that depends on his prefights, if I die and lose them I’m stuck. I need to bring backup options” and finally “if I’m bringing a bunch of champs to handle every fight Arcade does in case he loses the prefights why am I bringing him anyways?” Like I could use him for hazard shift, except I need to bring actual immunities in case I die with Arcade so like what’s the point of using a team slot for him objectively speaking (I’d use him anyways because I like him but it’s not really sound logic).

TLDR I like him and would rank him up, but definitely could use a buff on attack (duh) and maybe even defense (controversial?). Please at least let him hold onto his prefights after dying.
He’s definitely undertuned as a defender compared to what I think they wanted. He’s tagged as a 4/5 (same as Sassy, half a point lower than champs like Bullseye and Photon) and he’s nowhere near the level of any of those champs. I’d argue that champs with lower defensive threat rankings (like Dust at 3) are way harder than him

My thoughts exactly. Like he’s good, better than average, but I feel like he was intended to be nightmare territory rather than above average. A step below Serpent and Bullseye but there alongside Photon and Dust. Unlike any of those defenders though, I have literally never seen him in a bgs deck. I’m not even exaggerating. He might’ve been in a few people’s decks and I missed him, but I’ve definitely never seen him drafted at least. Some of it is probably just weird luck on my end but come on clearly people don’t think as highly of him as Kabam probably wanted.

PT_99 · October 20

Isn't poison immune attackers just duds his defensive?
Vox is perfect counter as he also prevents his auto block

EdisonLaw · October 20

Squidopus said:
I like him a lot, I need Kabam to give me a rarity higher than 5*. I think he’s got room for a buff, but I’d probably still use him a ton regardless. I actually think his defensive value is just okay? I haven’t had too many problems with him yet and people don’t seem to rate him high enough to put him in bg decks and such. I think Kabam may have actually undershot their intent a little, we’ll see if Kabam agrees. It’s not off the table, Attuma was already a good defender pre-buff but they saw fit to buff him anyways because he wasn’t as good as they wanted him to be.

On attack his damage is okay, again could use a buff but I can live with bad damage. The buff I most want though is just that he keeps his prefights until the opponent is dead, not just for one fight. He has a lot of neat utility behind his prefights, including valuable immunities, and it sucks to lose them because you messed up once. When I use him I go “wow I can use him to cover several fights here, what great role compression” and then “oh wait that depends on his prefights, if I die and lose them I’m stuck. I need to bring backup options” and finally “if I’m bringing a bunch of champs to handle every fight Arcade does in case he loses the prefights why am I bringing him anyways?” Like I could use him for hazard shift, except I need to bring actual immunities in case I die with Arcade so like what’s the point of using a team slot for him objectively speaking (I’d use him anyways because I like him but it’s not really sound logic).

TLDR I like him and would rank him up, but definitely could use a buff on attack (duh) and maybe even defense (controversial?). Please at least let him hold onto his prefights after dying.

Perfectly explained

I wouldn’t mind a damage bump, but we’lll see when his balancing releases next month

captain_rogers · October 20

He Is supposed to be a peni level defender, shutting true abilities and unblocable so you have to reside on undermine or some other anti auto block abilities to defeat him, but

You can safely throw a heavy and he lose his autoblock charges. Basically any poison immune champs can destroy him. Bait sp1, throw a heavy, and repeat. Hulkling cgr and other top comics easily defeat him.

And on attack he inflict all kind of damaging debuffs and you don't have control of which to use, so you'll get punished by a lot of champs and nodes.

EdisonLaw · October 20

captain_rogers said:
He Is supposed to be a peni level defender, shutting true abilities and unblocable so you have to reside on undermine or some other anti auto block abilities to defeat him, but

You can safely throw a heavy and he lose his autoblock charges. Basically any poison immune champs can destroy him. Bait sp1, throw a heavy, and repeat. Hulkling cgr and other top comics easily defeat him.

And on attack he inflict all kind of damaging debuffs and you don't have control of which to use, so you'll get punished by a lot of champs and nodes.

How does he do on stun immunity nodes or nodes where you cannot parry?

Harryatomix · October 20

Arcade is not undertuned as a defender. He just has good counters. Try fighting him without a nuke cosmic. It's like saying photon is undertuned cause mantis destroys her.

While we are here, what do you guys think about Northstar? Is he being used anywhere other than necro type content? How does he compare with other long form champs like Kate Onslaught Bill? Would love to know your opinions.

EdisonLaw · October 20

Harryatomix said:
Arcade is not undertuned as a defender. He just has good counters. Try fighting him without a nuke cosmic. It's like saying photon is undertuned cause mantis destroys her.

While we are here, what do you guys think about Northstar? Is he being used anywhere other than necro type content? How does he compare with other long form champs like Kate Onslaught Bill? Would love to know your opinions.

I don’t see Northstar anywhere except from
BMcG, Nick136 and a few others. Even if he is good in long fights, there’s always a champion who’s gonna outshine him in nearly every way

EdisonLaw · October 20

Ansh_A said:
His value as a defender has been exaggerated because Kabam has released a few times now on nodes where his auto block accuracy is increased. If that was naturally part of his kit or sig ability, i can see him being a nuisance on defense. For now, he is average on defense when placed without nodes.

As an attacker, his damage is very low in comparison to other tech champs. It takes forever to defeat an opponent. Utility is good but i see him falling in the same boat as CASW in the meta. Except i enjoy playing with CASW and find Arcade clunky

Doesn’t he always have +100% ability accuracy to his auto block and stuns thanks to his pre fights being always active on d?

dr2ws · October 20

He’s a frustrating defender for sure, without counters you’re dealing with painful specials difficult to dex, auto block, a **** ton of dots, traps etc, needs something to make him more offensive.

EdisonLaw · October 20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv1-zcabHAc&t=222s

The_Doctor_24_1 · October 20

I just think he's neat

(Although a little tune up it's more than welcome)

WednesdayLength · October 21

He's one of the most fluid and stupid fun to play champs in the game, he just needs to hit a little harder

Ceti_Eel · October 21

I’ve caught a few in BGs who didn’t bring a cosmic champ to the fight and he won. But if they bring Hulkng etc then he folds easily.

Super_Cretu90 · October 21

dr2ws said:
He’s a frustrating defender for sure, without counters you’re dealing with painful specials difficult to dex, auto block, a **** ton of dots, traps etc, needs something to make him more offensive.

Imagine a potentialy very annoying defender (without the right counter), with very hard to avoid/dex specials, having his damage increased - you'd die only from block damage. Would that be fun?

FrostGiantLord · October 21

Just pulled him from my Titan, any tips on how to use him effectively, and if I should rank him up?

dr2ws · October 21

Super_Cretu90 said:

dr2ws said:
He’s a frustrating defender for sure, without counters you’re dealing with painful specials difficult to dex, auto block, a **** ton of dots, traps etc, needs something to make him more offensive.
Imagine a potentialy very annoying defender (without the right counter), with very hard to avoid/dex specials, having his damage increased - you'd die only from block damage. Would that be fun?

That’s what makes him a decent defender. 🤷‍♂️

EdisonLaw · October 21

FrostGiantLord said:
Just pulled him from my Titan, any tips on how to use him effectively, and if I should rank him up?

Build to SP3, get defender into corner, use MLLLL combo to disable sp3, then stun, then sp1

Herbal_Taxman · October 22

Harryatomix said:
Arcade is not undertuned as a defender. He just has good counters. Try fighting him without a nuke cosmic. It's like saying photon is undertuned cause mantis destroys her.

While we are here, what do you guys think about Northstar? Is he being used anywhere other than necro type content? How does he compare with other long form champs like Kate Onslaught Bill? Would love to know your opinions.

I think he’s used a lot in arena.

MaxtheSilent · October 22

I just love how much fun he is and how amazing his animations are. He has tons of utility but I would like to see him perform a little better on attack and he’s clearly not hitting 4/5 on defense.