Negasonic incinerate doesn't count as normal incinerate

psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,616 ★★★★
edited November 1 in General Discussion
I'm trying the 7* Act 7 chapter 3 act 6 and it says incinerate and shock prevents instant regen.. Tigra still regen while under NTW passive incinerate. what gives kabam? passive incinerate isn't same as normal incinerate debuff? Is this a bug or the code wasn't program because DOT incinerate and passive incinerate were not introduced then. know that is bs right?

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  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,616 ★★★★
    Yup..its selective timestream.. if that is the case.. NTW is more useless than my original rating.. her damage isn't even equal to Beta Ray Bill nuke ability.. the low hp also makes it hard to justify ranking her up.. Sadly, i rank2 her and even add some sigs in her.
  • arifin74arifin74 Member Posts: 263 ★★
    "passive incinerate isn't same as normal incinerate debuff"
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,769 ★★★★★
    Passive =/= debuff
  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,616 ★★★★
    Is Shuri shock passive too? I remember before she got buff that she was meh..
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,126 ★★★★★
    psp742 said:

    Is Shuri shock passive too? I remember before she got buff that she was meh..

    She can deal both debuffs and passives.
  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,616 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Passive =/= debuff

    regular DOT can be shrug off while passive can't.. so shouldn't it be the better form of incinerate/ shock.. that is just weird, senseless and/ or crazy.. basically, it's saying regular DOT, incinerate, shock, plasma, etc is not greater variety. 😑 😒 🙄 😐 😳 😤
  • FeuerschwerFeuerschwer Member Posts: 386 ★★★
    Shuri’s regular shocks are debuffs, but her critical shocks from the SP1 precisions are passive - so you’d mainly want to make sure you don’t convert all your debuffs with Shuri’s heavy, but otherwise she should be fine for selective timestream.
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,126 ★★★★★
    psp742 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Passive =/= debuff

    regular DOT can be shrug off while passive can't.. so shouldn't it be the better form of incinerate/ shock.. that is just weird, senseless and/ or crazy.. basically, it's saying regular DOT, incinerate, shock, plasma, etc is not greater variety. 😑 😒 🙄 😐 😳 😤
    If I recall correctly, selective timestream came out prior to most passive DoT damage. There are also nodes that will say "[insert DoT type] effect" which would work for both debuffs and passives.
    It is not that one is or should be better. They serve different functions in different champs to counter particular instances. Nodes are used to complicated fights and at times limit which champs can be used. It doesn't make a champion worse than another just because certain nodes impact each champ differently.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,781 ★★★★★
    If selective timestream is the problem use someone with passive heal block, like warlock or mysterio. The node only purifies debuffs but not passive.

    And shuri is an amazing option since she can maintain shock for the entire fight. Also Archangel works if you keep the neurotoxin up while the regen triggers.

    And if there is any passive regen rate modifications, like red mags against metals, it works as well.
  • Will3808Will3808 Member Posts: 3,784 ★★★★★
    Unfortunately there are a whole bunch of nodes that require debuffs not passives. It’s annoying, but you just have to play around it.
  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,616 ★★★★
    I use Sunspot.. and he works pretty well.. didn't even rank3 him.
  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,616 ★★★★
    Just watched the Livestream and it seems Negasonic Teenage Warhead was deemed good in lieu of Dazzler who has much better damage.. oh well..
    It would be cool if they add invulnerability to her when she is dashing at the opponent.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,769 ★★★★★
    psp742 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Passive =/= debuff

    regular DOT can be shrug off while passive can't.. so shouldn't it be the better form of incinerate/ shock.. that is just weird, senseless and/ or crazy.. basically, it's saying regular DOT, incinerate, shock, plasma, etc is not greater variety. 😑 😒 🙄 😐 😳 😤
    Same as Havok, armor up buffs stop his detonations, armor up passives don't. I know, Kabam logic doesn't make sense
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,097 ★★★★★
    psp742 said:

    Yup..its selective timestream.. if that is the case.. NTW is more useless than my original rating.. her damage isn't even equal to Beta Ray Bill nuke ability.. the low hp also makes it hard to justify ranking her up.. Sadly, i rank2 her and even add some sigs in her.

    You're basing that off of not being able to do one path in Act 7? Weird.
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Member Posts: 6,000 ★★★★★
    psp742 said:

    Yup..its selective timestream.. if that is the case.. NTW is more useless than my original rating.. her damage isn't even equal to Beta Ray Bill nuke ability.. the low hp also makes it hard to justify ranking her up.. Sadly, i rank2 her and even add some sigs in her.

    She may not work for selective time stream, but she'll be great for Lifecycle nodes.

    And, you know... Every skill champ in the game...

    You can't have everything in one champ, you know.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 674 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    psp742 said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Passive =/= debuff

    regular DOT can be shrug off while passive can't.. so shouldn't it be the better form of incinerate/ shock.. that is just weird, senseless and/ or crazy.. basically, it's saying regular DOT, incinerate, shock, plasma, etc is not greater variety. 😑 😒 🙄 😐 😳 😤
    Same as Havok, armor up buffs stop his detonations, armor up passives don't. I know, Kabam logic doesn't make sense
    🤦‍♂️
  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,616 ★★★★
    If in normal situation, NTW answers most skill champions. but in AW, she is severely gimped by the nodes.. she is ok i guess but i doubt i will use her compared to my more dependable attackers.
  • BlackTuranBlackTuran Member Posts: 1,023 ★★★★
    psp742 said:

    If in normal situation, NTW answers most skill champions. but in AW, she is severely gimped by the nodes.. she is ok i guess but i doubt i will use her compared to my more dependable attackers.

    I use her literally every war on path 7
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