Season 53 "canceled" war, does not fix the problem
Iammeat5
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This is going to be a bit of a long post, I want to outline why "canceling" a war and removing the points at the end of the season does not fix the problem for some alliances, mine included. Now this does not affect the majority of alliances, it only affects us who are on the brink of a tier rating. I'm sure this topic has already was already posted about when the "canceled" war happened. So if you've read a similar post, feel free to skip this one.
My alliance had just entered tier 2 the war before the "canceled" one, halfway thru the canceled one we saw the post of it being canceled and decided not to use items(big mistake) we weren't sure if war rating would be affected still(it was).
Now the problem with war rating being affected is that it has a snowball effect on alliances such as my own. (We lost) the canceled war, which put us back down to a tier 3 multiplier, we proceeded to win the tier 3 war but as most of you know, a t3 win is a t2 loss. So what should have been 1.55m points, was now 1.3m points. Following the win we lost in t2 again, back to t3, won so back to tier 2. The problem is, if war rating had not been affected on the "canceled" war these would have all been t2 wars. This cost us around 450k total score.
We no longer can make p2 because of this, not factoring in them removing the points for the canceled war, we should have 11.55m points. (450k lost because of war rating being affected) and rank 1 t3 has 11.8m. We would still have a good shot at p2 placement without this war rating problem. Not to mention, with the points removed end season, rank 1 would be essentially 200k less than where they are at, where as taking our lost war points away would bring our average up.
Last time this problem arose, kabam gave everyone who participated in AW, one tier up rewards. I'm humbly asking the same be done here please.
TLDR: War rating being affected on the "canceled" war genuily cost us p2(or a reasonable chance at p2) this season. (Please read whole article if you want to understand)
Thank you for your time.
-Meat
My alliance had just entered tier 2 the war before the "canceled" one, halfway thru the canceled one we saw the post of it being canceled and decided not to use items(big mistake) we weren't sure if war rating would be affected still(it was).
Now the problem with war rating being affected is that it has a snowball effect on alliances such as my own. (We lost) the canceled war, which put us back down to a tier 3 multiplier, we proceeded to win the tier 3 war but as most of you know, a t3 win is a t2 loss. So what should have been 1.55m points, was now 1.3m points. Following the win we lost in t2 again, back to t3, won so back to tier 2. The problem is, if war rating had not been affected on the "canceled" war these would have all been t2 wars. This cost us around 450k total score.
We no longer can make p2 because of this, not factoring in them removing the points for the canceled war, we should have 11.55m points. (450k lost because of war rating being affected) and rank 1 t3 has 11.8m. We would still have a good shot at p2 placement without this war rating problem. Not to mention, with the points removed end season, rank 1 would be essentially 200k less than where they are at, where as taking our lost war points away would bring our average up.
Last time this problem arose, kabam gave everyone who participated in AW, one tier up rewards. I'm humbly asking the same be done here please.
TLDR: War rating being affected on the "canceled" war genuily cost us p2(or a reasonable chance at p2) this season. (Please read whole article if you want to understand)
Thank you for your time.
-Meat
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Although your post didn't gain the desired attention, doesn't mean you should stop pushing the issue. Feel free to jump on this bandwagon and hope a staff member from kabam is able to read it and fix it for us all.
The last time a war was canceled mid season, every alliance that participated was given one tier up season rewards. I'm hoping for the same result.
While masters alliances who threw dropped down and faced slightly lesser opponents than they would, it doesn't affect as large a player base as you think.
The major standing issue is towards alliances on the cusp of tiers. Where a lost war would drop them to a lower multiplier, making them suffer from a war that should have had no impact on the season.
It creates a snowball effect for the aforementioned alliances, feel free to read my post and view the screenshots, the canceled war still affecting war rating directly affected my alliances placement or reasonable chance for placement.
While you may have gone up against a tougher alliance the following war due to them throwing, 1 tier up rewards will in the end benefit everyone and solve the issue at hand(war ratings being affected by the canceled war) - this is the true problem that arose and one you were addressing in your thread whether intentionally or unintentionally.
The other side of the medal is the issue that is adressed in this post. Alliances that dropped a tier at that time have a huge disadvabtage. Your alliance dropped a tier because your war rating got affected and dropped under the Tier 2 war rating. I understand your problem and hope that you will get higher rewards. But please stop talking nonsense about the issue I adressed. Thank you
Example: WR 4000 in Platinum 1 cannot face WR 3700 platinum 1. Unless there is no one between that gap that they have not already faced. Which is not the case.
Does the topic you brought up give masters alliances a slight advantage? Potentially, what really happens is that they're just matching with the other ones who did the same because they will be closer in WR and standing.
So no masters who threw war 4 are not facing like rank 50 p1 alliances.
What war 4 means to the matchmaking system is very simple: an alliance with 3800 war rating is not where it belongs because they are missing 1,6-1,9 million points or a number similar to this, so their position on the leaderboard is far below where they should be. The matchmaking system doesn't care if they win every war and have a similar win/loss rate to the first alliance in the world with a similar aw rating and same tier. Let me put this in perspective: I know Nefti are 9-0 so far alright? I don't know if Chaos are 9-0 or 8-1 I don't know that for sure. What I know for sure is that if chaos were 8-1 or even 7-2 right now they would face Nefti if they were close in the leaderboard (i.e. second/third place if you deduct points from war 4). BUT this is not happening because chaos are so far behind nefti in the leaderboard that the calculator can't match them despite being in same tier and having similar win/loss rate. So what happens is Nefti keeps facing the alliances who climb to the top 2-3-4-5 position in the world while chaos keeps matching alliances that are in spot 25-50 because this is their current leaderboard position.
Let's bring this to the extreme and talk about a worst case scenario that I hope won't happen:
best alliance in the world right now Nefti wins 11 wars (including war 4) and loses 1, all matching the strongest alliances who climbed to the top.
An alliance who didn't play war 4 is missing 1,5 million points from war 4 but they win all 11 other wars, facing low and mid tier 1 alliances.
At the end of the season kabam deducts the points from war 4 and the alliance with 11 easy wins wins the season because they go 11-0 while Nefti goes second place because they are 10-1. Is that fair?
This is meant to be an exaggeration and it won't be the case but this is to make the situation clear to those who seemingly fail to grasp the concepts even when they're explained to them. Missing 1,5 million points is a lot. A difference from a win and a loss in tier 1 is like 300k points. That means it's like you have 5 losses so you match alliances with 5 or more losses when in the truth you are winning them all. I don't know how else to explain the concept. If you win them all you should face other alliances who win them all. Not face alliances who lose them all and have it easy against them
We all know each other and we can also see the matchups and the leaderboard so your statements are not true.
Leaderboard and Win loss rate always comes before rating. This is a fact that you can clearly see ingame.
Also it is very interesting that you think reaching Top 3 or Top 10 worldwide without playing against Top 3 or Top 10 alliances is a "slight advantage" while you can be ranked above those alliances.
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