yea, and ur going to get first anyways, so dont complain so much lol
It is always the same. If you try to talk about problems and issues other people will try to trashtalk you instead of blaming kabam XD You are right why should I complain. I will get big rewards. Who cares about moral and a worthless season with screwed leaderboard. There is no point in complaining. Kabam doesn't care and you all don't care either because you are playing on that level for so long
The only thing I got from this is weird people running to my leader and complaining about me hahaha. Too funny
yea, and ur going to get first anyways, so dont complain so much lol
It is always the same. If you try to talk about problems and issues other people will try to trashtalk you instead of blaming kabam XD You are right why should I complain. I will get big rewards. Who cares about moral and a worthless season with screwed leaderboard. There is no point in complaining. Kabam doesn't care and you all don't care either because you are playing on that level for so long
The only thing I got from this is weird people running to my leader and complaining about me hahaha. Too funny
Ah I have / had some friends there but this is indeed funny. They at least didn't get offended and cried just because I explained the matchmaking issue
@BloodyCruelty If you are able to send an updated version of this after this war ends, that would be awesome. Just want to know how far off my alliance is from masters and if it's worth pushing. Hard to tell with how the leaderboard is right now.
Many alliances abused the 4th war, that didn't count. So some of the Tier 1 alliances played in Platinum 1 or 2 and farmed weaker alliances. For example: At the moment Chaos alliance is on rank 14 in Platinum 1 but without 4th war they are at #2 world wide. So they have chances to get podium without playing against master Alliances because the 4th war doesn't count but also wasn't cancelled. This is not acceptable. You should punish the alliances that didn't play 4th war to drop into low Platinum to farm lower alliances. Otherwise you could cancel the season. This kabam moment will destroy AW forever.
I think you miss the fact that aw match up are based on war rating and not season placement 🫢🫢
I will quit this game anyway or chill in some trash alliances and play arena so I don't care about titles anymore
i understand being hurt by this but rewards are worthless. one season of top 1 or stone 3 doesn't matter. rewards lose value, the economy changes, the mode falls behind, it's all basically worthless and we basically play for the rush.
give me an example of a single season where it gave you such a huge advantage that you still enjoy to this day. there isn't any. war results get averaged out, and it also gets affected by other modes and changes in the economy.
Many alliances abused the 4th war, that didn't count. So some of the Tier 1 alliances played in Platinum 1 or 2 and farmed weaker alliances. For example: At the moment Chaos alliance is on rank 14 in Platinum 1 but without 4th war they are at #2 world wide. So they have chances to get podium without playing against master Alliances because the 4th war doesn't count but also wasn't cancelled. This is not acceptable. You should punish the alliances that didn't play 4th war to drop into low Platinum to farm lower alliances. Otherwise you could cancel the season. This kabam moment will destroy AW forever.
I think you miss the fact that aw match up are based on war rating and not season placement 🫢🫢
I will quit this game anyway or chill in some trash alliances and play arena so I don't care about titles anymore
i understand being hurt by this but rewards are worthless. one season of top 1 or stone 3 doesn't matter. rewards lose value, the economy changes, the mode falls behind, it's all basically worthless and we basically play for the rush.
give me an example of a single season where it gave you such a huge advantage that you still enjoy to this day. there isn't any. war results get averaged out, and it also gets affected by other modes and changes in the economy.
I don't care about rewards. I care about AW Integrity so the mode won't die.
I will quit this game anyway or chill in some trash alliances and play arena so I don't care about titles anymore
i understand being hurt by this but rewards are worthless. one season of top 1 or stone 3 doesn't matter. rewards lose value, the economy changes, the mode falls behind, it's all basically worthless and we basically play for the rush.
give me an example of a single season where it gave you such a huge advantage that you still enjoy to this day. there isn't any. war results get averaged out, and it also gets affected by other modes and changes in the economy.
I don't care about rewards. I care about AW Integrity so the mode won't die.
in the integrity department, one-off isuses like this is the least of your worries.
teams that have a very long history of being garbage in alliance war and have been caught cheating/piloting/mercing/arena botting (*cough* you know who you are and you may even be in this thread) are currently getting docked every other season for piloting in AW and nothing happens to them. and the dozen teams they cheat every season never get their win points back. i'd like to see a change in that area first before worrying about something like this.
I will quit this game anyway or chill in some trash alliances and play arena so I don't care about titles anymore
i understand being hurt by this but rewards are worthless. one season of top 1 or stone 3 doesn't matter. rewards lose value, the economy changes, the mode falls behind, it's all basically worthless and we basically play for the rush.
give me an example of a single season where it gave you such a huge advantage that you still enjoy to this day. there isn't any. war results get averaged out, and it also gets affected by other modes and changes in the economy.
I don't care about rewards. I care about AW Integrity so the mode won't die.
in the integrity department, one-off isuses like this is the least of your worries.
teams that have a very long history of being garbage in alliance war and have been caught cheating/piloting/mercing/arena botting (*cough* you know who you are and you may even be in this thread) are currently getting docked every other season for piloting in AW and nothing happens to them. and the dozen teams they cheat every season never get their win points back. i'd like to see a change in that area first before worrying about something like this.
Iam also not happy with this. Chill. I don't play with that kind of people
I will quit this game anyway or chill in some trash alliances and play arena so I don't care about titles anymore
i understand being hurt by this but rewards are worthless. one season of top 1 or stone 3 doesn't matter. rewards lose value, the economy changes, the mode falls behind, it's all basically worthless and we basically play for the rush.
give me an example of a single season where it gave you such a huge advantage that you still enjoy to this day. there isn't any. war results get averaged out, and it also gets affected by other modes and changes in the economy.
I don't care about rewards. I care about AW Integrity so the mode won't die.
in the integrity department, one-off isuses like this is the least of your worries.
teams that have a very long history of being garbage in alliance war and have been caught cheating/piloting/mercing/arena botting (*cough* you know who you are and you may even be in this thread) are currently getting docked every other season for piloting in AW and nothing happens to them. and the dozen teams they cheat every season never get their win points back. i'd like to see a change in that area first before worrying about something like this.
Iam also not happy with this. Chill. I don't play with that kind of people
First of all I wanna say that whoever talks about aw rating and multipliers clearly doesnt understand ths problem one bit.
The way it goes is very simple: being tier 1 alliance with a decent margin on the cutoff for tier 1 I dont care one bit if I lose a war and lose 20 sth point in aw rating. I'm still tier 1 regardless. Let's say tier 1 cutoff is sth like 3600 and I have 3700 points. Why should I care if I lose 20 points and drop down to 3680? I still have quite the margin. This is precisely why aw rating is out of the picture. What matters is the kabam calculator for matchmaking. The calculator apparently matches alliances with similar aw rating and similar standings, regardless of their win/lose situation. Or at least this criteria about similar win/loss situation is only taken into account when 2 alliances are close in their standings. This knowledge as a matter of fact comes from experience since both chaos and next have failed to match nefti in 9 wars despite the 3 of them being all tier 1 alliances with 9 wins/8 wins and a loss in war 4. By now there are no alliances with 8 wins for nefti to match, who are also close in standings. So the criteria of similar win/loss rate is clearly subordinate to similar standings. So now when nefti is done matching alliances with 1-2 losses that are close in standings they will start matching alliances with 3 losses that are the closest to them in the standings. And they will never match chaos or next because they're so far below. Top aw alliances like newn, lvt, salty who have matched each other and have matched nefti... They all fought fair and square for the podium but they will lose podium positions to chaos and next who never matched any of the top tier alliances. This is the real situation. Of course people from tier 4 alliances are less impacted by the problem, when compared with t1 alliances where a lot more is at stake. But regardless of this, aw should be fair competition and everyone should get what they deserve for their efforts. Right now some alliances who took advantage of war 4 are expected to get podium positions without deserving them. Im not saying those alliances should be docked or punished because that's also not fair to them (they were told the war didnt count, they didnt play it). But what I'm saying is kabam should take into account the fact that these alliances had an easier route ahead of them after war 4 and that's not fair to all other competitive alliances (mine included ftr). What I think would make the most sense is not removing the points from war 4 and sending compensations at the end of the season. Kabam should have known how this situation could be exploited when they announced the war didn't count. They should have acted on it right away. That way the calculator would have matched alliances in a fair way and the current standings would reflect the real situation. It's also absurd that we have so many alliances not aware of their current ranking if kabam deducts the points from war 4. Some alliances legitimately dont know if they should push or not. If they are p3 or p4 or struggling for p2. They may not know any of that because of war 4. This situation is seriously bad for all alliances who push for aw and take the competition seriously. Please kabam dont turn aw season into a joke because of your mistakes and shortcomings. Like I said, war 4 would have no impact on the season whatsoever if kabam had acted on it right away by deducting the points right away. By now everything got screwed and whatever kabam does will make people angry. Best option imho is leaving the situation as is and sending compensations (it happened before, where every alliance got rewards from the superior rank. So lets say p1 alliances get top 20 rewards and so on and so forth).
First of all I wanna say that whoever talks about aw rating and multipliers clearly doesnt understand ths problem one bit.
The way it goes is very simple: being tier 1 alliance with a decent margin on the cutoff for tier 1 I dont care one bit if I lose a war and lose 20 sth point in aw rating. I'm still tier 1 regardless. Let's say tier 1 cutoff is sth like 3600 and I have 3700 points. Why should I care if I lose 20 points and drop down to 3680? I still have quite the margin. This is precisely why aw rating is out of the picture. What matters is the kabam calculator for matchmaking. The calculator apparently matches alliances with similar aw rating and similar standings, regardless of their win/lose situation. Or at least this criteria about similar win/loss situation is only taken into account when 2 alliances are close in their standings. This knowledge as a matter of fact comes from experience since both chaos and next have failed to match nefti in 9 wars despite the 3 of them being all tier 1 alliances with 9 wins/8 wins and a loss in war 4. By now there are no alliances with 8 wins for nefti to match, who are also close in standings. So the criteria of similar win/loss rate is clearly subordinate to similar standings. So now when nefti is done matching alliances with 1-2 losses that are close in standings they will start matching alliances with 3 losses that are the closest to them in the standings. And they will never match chaos or next because they're so far below. Top aw alliances like newn, lvt, salty who have matches each other and have matched nefti... They all fought fair and square for the podium but they will lose podium positions to chaos and next who never matched any of the top tier alliances. This is the real situation. Of course people from tier 4 alliances are less impacted by the problem, when compared with t1 alliances where a lot more is at stake. But regardless of this, aw should be fair competition and everyone should get what they deserve for their efforts. Right now some alliances who took advantage of war 4 are expected to get podium positions without deserving them. Im not saying those alliances should be docked or punished because that's also not fair to them (they were told the war didnt count, they didnt play it). But what I'm saying is kabam should take into account the fact that these alliances had an easier route ahead of them after war 4 and that's not fair to all other competitive alliances (mine included ftr). What I think would make the most sense is not removing the points from war 4 and sending compensations at the end of the season. Kabam should have known how this situation could be exploited when they announced the war didn't count. They should have acted on it right away. That way the calculator would have matched alliances in a fair way and the current standings would reflect the real situation. It's also absurd that we have so many alliances not aware of their current ranking if kabam deducts the points from war 4. Some alliances legitimately dont know if they should push or not. If they are p3 or p4 or struggling for p2. They may not know any of that because of war 4. This situation is seriously bad for all alliances who push for aw and take the competition seriously. Please kabam dont turn aw season into a joke because of your mistakes and shortcomings. Like I said, war 4 would have no impact on the season whatsoever if kabam had acted on it right away by deducting the points right away. By now everything got screwed and whatever kabam does will make people angry. Best option imho is leaving the situation as is and sending compensations (it happened before, where every alliance got rewards from the superior rank. So lets say p1 alliances get top 20 rewards and so on and so forth).
Yes you are right. Don't cancel 4th war and Don't punish something. Just let it count and give compensation so every alliamce would be happy. Newn and co can get podium and chaos and co can get same rewards
First of all I wanna say that whoever talks about aw rating and multipliers clearly doesnt understand ths problem one bit.
The way it goes is very simple: being tier 1 alliance with a decent margin on the cutoff for tier 1 I dont care one bit if I lose a war and lose 20 sth point in aw rating. I'm still tier 1 regardless. Let's say tier 1 cutoff is sth like 3600 and I have 3700 points. Why should I care if I lose 20 points and drop down to 3680? I still have quite the margin. This is precisely why aw rating is out of the picture. What matters is the kabam calculator for matchmaking. The calculator apparently matches alliances with similar aw rating and similar standings, regardless of their win/lose situation. Or at least this criteria about similar win/loss situation is only taken into account when 2 alliances are close in their standings. This knowledge as a matter of fact comes from experience since both chaos and next have failed to match nefti in 9 wars despite the 3 of them being all tier 1 alliances with 9 wins/8 wins and a loss in war 4. By now there are no alliances with 8 wins for nefti to match, who are also close in standings. So the criteria of similar win/loss rate is clearly subordinate to similar standings. So now when nefti is done matching alliances with 1-2 losses that are close in standings they will start matching alliances with 3 losses that are the closest to them in the standings. And they will never match chaos or next because they're so far below. Top aw alliances like newn, lvt, salty who have matches each other and have matched nefti... They all fought fair and square for the podium but they will lose podium positions to chaos and next who never matched any of the top tier alliances. This is the real situation. Of course people from tier 4 alliances are less impacted by the problem, when compared with t1 alliances where a lot more is at stake. But regardless of this, aw should be fair competition and everyone should get what they deserve for their efforts. Right now some alliances who took advantage of war 4 are expected to get podium positions without deserving them. Im not saying those alliances should be docked or punished because that's also not fair to them (they were told the war didnt count, they didnt play it). But what I'm saying is kabam should take into account the fact that these alliances had an easier route ahead of them after war 4 and that's not fair to all other competitive alliances (mine included ftr). What I think would make the most sense is not removing the points from war 4 and sending compensations at the end of the season. Kabam should have known how this situation could be exploited when they announced the war didn't count. They should have acted on it right away. That way the calculator would have matched alliances in a fair way and the current standings would reflect the real situation. It's also absurd that we have so many alliances not aware of their current ranking if kabam deducts the points from war 4. Some alliances legitimately dont know if they should push or not. If they are p3 or p4 or struggling for p2. They may not know any of that because of war 4. This situation is seriously bad for all alliances who push for aw and take the competition seriously. Please kabam dont turn aw season into a joke because of your mistakes and shortcomings. Like I said, war 4 would have no impact on the season whatsoever if kabam had acted on it right away by deducting the points right away. By now everything got screwed and whatever kabam does will make people angry. Best option imho is leaving the situation as is and sending compensations (it happened before, where every alliance got rewards from the superior rank. So lets say p1 alliances get top 20 rewards and so on and so forth).
Yes you are right. Don't cancel 4th war and Don't punish something. Just let it count and give compensation so every alliamce would be happy. Newn and co can get podium and chaos and co can get same rewards
You REALLY think that it’s ok to count a war that kabam said was canceled after the fact? No possible way a rational person can say that. There is nothing to punish, the only people in the wrong are kabam. The ONLY thing that should happen is a rewards bump for everyone.
First of all I wanna say that whoever talks about aw rating and multipliers clearly doesnt understand ths problem one bit.
The way it goes is very simple: being tier 1 alliance with a decent margin on the cutoff for tier 1 I dont care one bit if I lose a war and lose 20 sth point in aw rating. I'm still tier 1 regardless. Let's say tier 1 cutoff is sth like 3600 and I have 3700 points. Why should I care if I lose 20 points and drop down to 3680? I still have quite the margin. This is precisely why aw rating is out of the picture. What matters is the kabam calculator for matchmaking. The calculator apparently matches alliances with similar aw rating and similar standings, regardless of their win/lose situation. Or at least this criteria about similar win/loss situation is only taken into account when 2 alliances are close in their standings. This knowledge as a matter of fact comes from experience since both chaos and next have failed to match nefti in 9 wars despite the 3 of them being all tier 1 alliances with 9 wins/8 wins and a loss in war 4. By now there are no alliances with 8 wins for nefti to match, who are also close in standings. So the criteria of similar win/loss rate is clearly subordinate to similar standings. So now when nefti is done matching alliances with 1-2 losses that are close in standings they will start matching alliances with 3 losses that are the closest to them in the standings. And they will never match chaos or next because they're so far below. Top aw alliances like newn, lvt, salty who have matches each other and have matched nefti... They all fought fair and square for the podium but they will lose podium positions to chaos and next who never matched any of the top tier alliances. This is the real situation. Of course people from tier 4 alliances are less impacted by the problem, when compared with t1 alliances where a lot more is at stake. But regardless of this, aw should be fair competition and everyone should get what they deserve for their efforts. Right now some alliances who took advantage of war 4 are expected to get podium positions without deserving them. Im not saying those alliances should be docked or punished because that's also not fair to them (they were told the war didnt count, they didnt play it). But what I'm saying is kabam should take into account the fact that these alliances had an easier route ahead of them after war 4 and that's not fair to all other competitive alliances (mine included ftr). What I think would make the most sense is not removing the points from war 4 and sending compensations at the end of the season. Kabam should have known how this situation could be exploited when they announced the war didn't count. They should have acted on it right away. That way the calculator would have matched alliances in a fair way and the current standings would reflect the real situation. It's also absurd that we have so many alliances not aware of their current ranking if kabam deducts the points from war 4. Some alliances legitimately dont know if they should push or not. If they are p3 or p4 or struggling for p2. They may not know any of that because of war 4. This situation is seriously bad for all alliances who push for aw and take the competition seriously. Please kabam dont turn aw season into a joke because of your mistakes and shortcomings. Like I said, war 4 would have no impact on the season whatsoever if kabam had acted on it right away by deducting the points right away. By now everything got screwed and whatever kabam does will make people angry. Best option imho is leaving the situation as is and sending compensations (it happened before, where every alliance got rewards from the superior rank. So lets say p1 alliances get top 20 rewards and so on and so forth).
Yes you are right. Don't cancel 4th war and Don't punish something. Just let it count and give compensation so every alliamce would be happy. Newn and co can get podium and chaos and co can get same rewards
You REALLY think that it’s ok to count a war that kabam said was canceled after the fact? No possible way a rational person can say that. There is nothing to punish, the only people in the wrong are kabam. The ONLY thing that should happen is a rewards bump for everyone.
You clearly didn't understand the comment of Amms90
I wont answer any further posts that are related to this discussion
First of all I wanna say that whoever talks about aw rating and multipliers clearly doesnt understand ths problem one bit.
The way it goes is very simple: being tier 1 alliance with a decent margin on the cutoff for tier 1 I dont care one bit if I lose a war and lose 20 sth point in aw rating. I'm still tier 1 regardless. Let's say tier 1 cutoff is sth like 3600 and I have 3700 points. Why should I care if I lose 20 points and drop down to 3680? I still have quite the margin. This is precisely why aw rating is out of the picture. What matters is the kabam calculator for matchmaking. The calculator apparently matches alliances with similar aw rating and similar standings, regardless of their win/lose situation. Or at least this criteria about similar win/loss situation is only taken into account when 2 alliances are close in their standings. This knowledge as a matter of fact comes from experience since both chaos and next have failed to match nefti in 9 wars despite the 3 of them being all tier 1 alliances with 9 wins/8 wins and a loss in war 4. By now there are no alliances with 8 wins for nefti to match, who are also close in standings. So the criteria of similar win/loss rate is clearly subordinate to similar standings. So now when nefti is done matching alliances with 1-2 losses that are close in standings they will start matching alliances with 3 losses that are the closest to them in the standings. And they will never match chaos or next because they're so far below. Top aw alliances like newn, lvt, salty who have matches each other and have matched nefti... They all fought fair and square for the podium but they will lose podium positions to chaos and next who never matched any of the top tier alliances. This is the real situation. Of course people from tier 4 alliances are less impacted by the problem, when compared with t1 alliances where a lot more is at stake. But regardless of this, aw should be fair competition and everyone should get what they deserve for their efforts. Right now some alliances who took advantage of war 4 are expected to get podium positions without deserving them. Im not saying those alliances should be docked or punished because that's also not fair to them (they were told the war didnt count, they didnt play it). But what I'm saying is kabam should take into account the fact that these alliances had an easier route ahead of them after war 4 and that's not fair to all other competitive alliances (mine included ftr). What I think would make the most sense is not removing the points from war 4 and sending compensations at the end of the season. Kabam should have known how this situation could be exploited when they announced the war didn't count. They should have acted on it right away. That way the calculator would have matched alliances in a fair way and the current standings would reflect the real situation. It's also absurd that we have so many alliances not aware of their current ranking if kabam deducts the points from war 4. Some alliances legitimately dont know if they should push or not. If they are p3 or p4 or struggling for p2. They may not know any of that because of war 4. This situation is seriously bad for all alliances who push for aw and take the competition seriously. Please kabam dont turn aw season into a joke because of your mistakes and shortcomings. Like I said, war 4 would have no impact on the season whatsoever if kabam had acted on it right away by deducting the points right away. By now everything got screwed and whatever kabam does will make people angry. Best option imho is leaving the situation as is and sending compensations (it happened before, where every alliance got rewards from the superior rank. So lets say p1 alliances get top 20 rewards and so on and so forth).
Yes you are right. Don't cancel 4th war and Don't punish something. Just let it count and give compensation so every alliamce would be happy. Newn and co can get podium and chaos and co can get same rewards
You REALLY think that it’s ok to count a war that kabam said was canceled after the fact? No possible way a rational person can say that. There is nothing to punish, the only people in the wrong are kabam. The ONLY thing that should happen is a rewards bump for everyone.
This kind of reasoning would only make sense if the kabam algorithm for matchmaking didn't get screwed by this whole situation. Like I said, the calculator is matching alliances based on current standings. Given that the current standings are not reflecting the situation when u deduct points from war 4, it goes without saying that the current matchmaking is wrong. I'm not saying there's a fault in playing or not playing war 4 after kabam announcement. I'm not saying anybody should get punished. What I'm saying is my alliance is competing against masters alliances, we faced a few top tier alliances and we still won some wars playing fair and square. Given our situation it's unfair to us if an alliance we never matched and never faced any of the strong alliances goes above us. This ruins the entire game mode because the competition is not fair and square. IF the calculator had worked in a different way, matching alliances with similar aw rating and win/loss situation despite their current standings, then in that case we would have had a situation where alliances like chaos and next would have been right where they belonged after deducting points from war 4 from the other alliances. But this is not the case. The calculator keeps matching alliances with similar aw rating and standings, including other parameters to prevent rematches and such and only after all that the calculator looks at the win/loss situation. So an alliance with 0 points from war 4 is 1,9 million points behind an alliance who played and won war 4 and 1,6 million points behind an alliance who played and lost war 4 (speaking in terms of 8,5 multiplier from tier 1). This means this alliance with 0 points from war 4 is playing a different competition in a tier below where it belongs. Matching way weaker alliances and having an easy competition. Deducting points from war 4 means rewarding these alliances from having it easy all season. Some alliances will miss out from podium/top10/top20 despite pushing for it all season and all those efforts should be wasted due to kabam's actions?
yea, and ur going to get first anyways, so dont complain so much lol
It is always the same. If you try to talk about problems and issues other people will try to trashtalk you instead of blaming kabam XD You are right why should I complain. I will get big rewards. Who cares about moral and a worthless season with screwed leaderboard. There is no point in complaining. Kabam doesn't care and you all don't care either because you are playing on that level for so long
The only thing I got from this is weird people running to my leader and complaining about me hahaha. Too funny
• Kabam should have learned by now that taking points from a war can cause a lot of confusion for AW Season, but in a certain way it is also not easy to correct from one day to the next an error that can compromise the performance of players in AW
• Alliances are not obliged to play or waste their time in a war that Kabam itself said would be canceled and the points taken away
• Regarding the issue of Master alliances being in P2 (and talking about exploits for easy wars), most of them did the same, which means that they are all on the same level. So with that:
• Matchmaking is summarized between the Bracket you are in, AW rating and Win/Loss
• This means that even in P2 they are/are facing each other, there are several wars between them for those who don't know
• This meant that some alliances that are usually in P1 are in the Master Bracket, so alliances that are usually Master are facing them.
• there have been more "favorable" wars for those in the Master than for those in the P2.
I'm not saying that anyone is good or bad, it's up to each person to do what they think is best.
• Kabam should have learned by now that taking points from a war can cause a lot of confusion for AW Season, but in a certain way it is also not easy to correct from one day to the next an error that can compromise the performance of players in AW
• Alliances are not obliged to play or waste their time in a war that Kabam itself said would be canceled and the points taken away
• Regarding the issue of Master alliances being in P2 (and talking about exploits for easy wars), most of them did the same, which means that they are all on the same level. So with that:
• Matchmaking is summarized between the Bracket you are in, AW rating and Win/Loss
• This means that even in P2 they are/are facing each other, there are several wars between them for those who don't know
• This meant that some alliances that are usually in P1 are in the Master Bracket, so alliances that are usually Master are facing them.
• there have been more "favorable" wars for those in the Master than for those in the P2.
I'm not saying that anyone is good or bad, it's up to each person to do what they think is best.
Yeah tell me about it when mid alliances get podium without ever facing any of the top tier alliances. The only part I agree with you on is the part where you say kabam should have known the confusion they would cause. It was that simple to act on it right away. But they chose not to. There have been cancelled war before they took down aw as a whole before they locked down matchmaking before... They decided to go "we will correct the points after the war or after aw season is over". Of course they didn't deduct the points right away and just like that the whole mathcmaking got screwed for the rest of the season.
• Kabam should have learned by now that taking points from a war can cause a lot of confusion for AW Season, but in a certain way it is also not easy to correct from one day to the next an error that can compromise the performance of players in AW
• Alliances are not obliged to play or waste their time in a war that Kabam itself said would be canceled and the points taken away
• Regarding the issue of Master alliances being in P2 (and talking about exploits for easy wars), most of them did the same, which means that they are all on the same level. So with that:
• Matchmaking is summarized between the Bracket you are in, AW rating and Win/Loss
• This means that even in P2 they are/are facing each other, there are several wars between them for those who don't know
• This meant that some alliances that are usually in P1 are in the Master Bracket, so alliances that are usually Master are facing them.
• there have been more "favorable" wars for those in the Master than for those in the P2.
I'm not saying that anyone is good or bad, it's up to each person to do what they think is best.
Yeah tell me about it when mid alliances get podium without ever facing any of the top tier alliances. The only part I agree with you on is the part where you say kabam should have known the confusion they would cause. It was that simple to act on it right away. But they chose not to. There have been cancelled war before they took down aw as a whole before they locked down matchmaking before... They decided to go "we will correct the points after the war or after aw season is over". Of course they didn't deduct the points right away and just like that the whole mathcmaking got screwed for the rest of the season.
As I said, due to the problem that occurred with War 4, these alliances were accommodated in the Master Bracket, due to how matchmaking works, they continue to face each other until there is nothing in the same rating and Win/Loss. When that happens they will start facing the real Master Alliance. Unfortunately this is how Matchmaking works.
@danielmath I agree with you. But what would be a solution. If you can not punish alliances for not playing you have to cancel the season. But I think kabam wont take action
I really hope Kabam takes action. They can’t punish any alliance for what they themselves allowed to happen by cancelling war 4 (but not in game) and letting war 4 continue while some alliances did not explore and managed to tank their placement in the leaderboard to get easy matches for the rest of the season, which worked for some teams to be in a podium position now while being considerably weaker than opponents (and dodging all of those stronger opponents in matchmaking)
Meaning they moved down the leaderboard and can enjoy a free pass season. All thanks to war 4 points not being removed during season after that war.
The season ranks will not be right this season no matter how you look at it.
Some teams will be way higher in the leaderboard than they should be, some lower.
Without punishing anyone or deducting any points the right thing Kabam can do is increase war season rewards for +1 bracket like they did before in such situations. Really hope this will be addressed by them
@danielmath I agree with you. But what would be a solution. If you can not punish alliances for not playing you have to cancel the season. But I think kabam wont take action
I really hope Kabam takes action. They can’t punish any alliance for what they themselves allowed to happen by cancelling war 4 (but not in game) and letting war 4 continue while some alliances did not explore and managed to tank their placement in the leaderboard to get easy matches for the rest of the season, which worked for some teams to be in a podium position now while being considerably weaker than opponents (and dodging all of those stronger opponents in matchmaking)
Meaning they moved down the leaderboard and can enjoy a free pass season. All thanks to war 4 points not being removed during season after that war.
The season ranks will not be right this season no matter how you look at it.
Some teams will be way higher in the leaderboard than they should be, some lower.
Without punishing anyone or deducting any points the right thing Kabam can do is increase war season rewards for +1 bracket like they did before in such situations. Really hope this will be addressed by them
I shouldn't bring this up here, because I don't like hassles either.
But do you want to punish those who didn't play an AW because of Kabam? When most of these alliances continue to face each other? And those who are in the Masters have had more favorable wars? It doesn't make much sense, as I already explained to you, after war 4 (which you won and remained in the Masters)
war5 - Salty vs PALO war6 - Salty vs GOW war7 - Salty vs •MLA• war8 - Salty vs LinaM war9 - Salty vs DD13
I can't understand why there's so much stress over allies who continue to face each other in the same way and those who are in the Masters also having favorable matchups. And I'll stop here, because this topic, this conversation doesn't make much sense. A lot of people trying to measure egos when in some way they will also benefit from the Kabam system
Kabam still sucks when they try cancel a war, they should learn about this for several seasons. This is happen because Kabam, not ally’s. If you guys blame someone, it’s Kabam.
I’m not point finger to anyone.. be carefully. People should try get better things, and Kabam paid for the error they committed. Not ally’s, not players. And I’m the first guy to say, Kabam definitely need to change AW system. I know it’s a lot of work, but they need.
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The only thing I got from this is weird people running to my leader and complaining about me hahaha. Too funny
give me an example of a single season where it gave you such a huge advantage that you still enjoy to this day. there isn't any. war results get averaged out, and it also gets affected by other modes and changes in the economy.
I don't know why but out of this whole thread this part of the convo is what intrigued me the most 😂 Please do go on.
teams that have a very long history of being garbage in alliance war and have been caught cheating/piloting/mercing/arena botting (*cough* you know who you are and you may even be in this thread) are currently getting docked every other season for piloting in AW and nothing happens to them. and the dozen teams they cheat every season never get their win points back. i'd like to see a change in that area first before worrying about something like this.
The way it goes is very simple: being tier 1 alliance with a decent margin on the cutoff for tier 1 I dont care one bit if I lose a war and lose 20 sth point in aw rating. I'm still tier 1 regardless. Let's say tier 1 cutoff is sth like 3600 and I have 3700 points. Why should I care if I lose 20 points and drop down to 3680? I still have quite the margin. This is precisely why aw rating is out of the picture. What matters is the kabam calculator for matchmaking. The calculator apparently matches alliances with similar aw rating and similar standings, regardless of their win/lose situation. Or at least this criteria about similar win/loss situation is only taken into account when 2 alliances are close in their standings. This knowledge as a matter of fact comes from experience since both chaos and next have failed to match nefti in 9 wars despite the 3 of them being all tier 1 alliances with 9 wins/8 wins and a loss in war 4. By now there are no alliances with 8 wins for nefti to match, who are also close in standings. So the criteria of similar win/loss rate is clearly subordinate to similar standings. So now when nefti is done matching alliances with 1-2 losses that are close in standings they will start matching alliances with 3 losses that are the closest to them in the standings. And they will never match chaos or next because they're so far below. Top aw alliances like newn, lvt, salty who have matched each other and have matched nefti... They all fought fair and square for the podium but they will lose podium positions to chaos and next who never matched any of the top tier alliances. This is the real situation. Of course people from tier 4 alliances are less impacted by the problem, when compared with t1 alliances where a lot more is at stake. But regardless of this, aw should be fair competition and everyone should get what they deserve for their efforts. Right now some alliances who took advantage of war 4 are expected to get podium positions without deserving them. Im not saying those alliances should be docked or punished because that's also not fair to them (they were told the war didnt count, they didnt play it). But what I'm saying is kabam should take into account the fact that these alliances had an easier route ahead of them after war 4 and that's not fair to all other competitive alliances (mine included ftr). What I think would make the most sense is not removing the points from war 4 and sending compensations at the end of the season. Kabam should have known how this situation could be exploited when they announced the war didn't count. They should have acted on it right away. That way the calculator would have matched alliances in a fair way and the current standings would reflect the real situation. It's also absurd that we have so many alliances not aware of their current ranking if kabam deducts the points from war 4. Some alliances legitimately dont know if they should push or not. If they are p3 or p4 or struggling for p2. They may not know any of that because of war 4. This situation is seriously bad for all alliances who push for aw and take the competition seriously. Please kabam dont turn aw season into a joke because of your mistakes and shortcomings. Like I said, war 4 would have no impact on the season whatsoever if kabam had acted on it right away by deducting the points right away. By now everything got screwed and whatever kabam does will make people angry. Best option imho is leaving the situation as is and sending compensations (it happened before, where every alliance got rewards from the superior rank. So lets say p1 alliances get top 20 rewards and so on and so forth).
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• Kabam should have learned by now that taking points from a war can cause a lot of confusion for AW Season, but in a certain way it is also not easy to correct from one day to the next an error that can compromise the performance of players in AW
• Alliances are not obliged to play or waste their time in a war that Kabam itself said would be canceled and the points taken away
• Regarding the issue of Master alliances being in P2 (and talking about exploits for easy wars), most of them did the same, which means that they are all on the same level. So with that:
• Matchmaking is summarized between the Bracket you are in, AW rating and Win/Loss
• This means that even in P2 they are/are facing each other, there are several wars between them for those who don't know
• This meant that some alliances that are usually in P1 are in the Master Bracket, so alliances that are usually Master are facing them.
• there have been more "favorable" wars for those in the Master than for those in the P2.
I'm not saying that anyone is good or bad, it's up to each person to do what they think is best.
Meaning they moved down the leaderboard and can enjoy a free pass season. All thanks to war 4 points not being removed during season after that war.
The season ranks will not be right this season no matter how you look at it.
Some teams will be way higher in the leaderboard than they should be, some lower.
Without punishing anyone or deducting any points the right thing Kabam can do is increase war season rewards for +1 bracket like they did before in such situations. Really hope this will be addressed by them
But do you want to punish those who didn't play an AW because of Kabam?
When most of these alliances continue to face each other?
And those who are in the Masters have had more favorable wars?
It doesn't make much sense, as I already explained to you, after war 4 (which you won and remained in the Masters)
war5 - Salty vs PALO
war6 - Salty vs GOW
war7 - Salty vs •MLA•
war8 - Salty vs LinaM
war9 - Salty vs DD13
I can't understand why there's so much stress over allies who continue to face each other in the same way and those who are in the Masters also having favorable matchups.
And I'll stop here, because this topic, this conversation doesn't make much sense.
A lot of people trying to measure egos when in some way they will also benefit from the Kabam system
Kabam still sucks when they try cancel a war, they should learn about this for several seasons.
This is happen because Kabam, not ally’s. If you guys blame someone, it’s Kabam.
I’m not point finger to anyone.. be carefully. People should try get better things, and Kabam paid for the error they committed. Not ally’s, not players.
And I’m the first guy to say, Kabam definitely need to change AW system. I know it’s a lot of work, but they need.