Do deathless champs not have willpower?

Frumpy_geezerFrumpy_geezer Member Posts: 52
The first and only one I've been able to get is Vision. I tried him in AOA and realized he isn't healing. I then ran in a practice mode and nothing while armor broken. Is this something with all of them that I missed or a bug?

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  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,529 ★★★★★

    The first and only one I've been able to get is Vision. I tried him in AOA and realized he isn't healing. I then ran in a practice mode and nothing while armor broken. Is this something with all of them that I missed or a bug?

    Hes still a robot and robots cant get willpower
  • Java_JunkieJava_Junkie Member Posts: 505 ★★

    I guess I never use robots because I completely forgot about that. Inserting foot into mou....

    honestly it’d been so long since I got willpower, I thought my shiny new 7* Warlock was broken when I get him because I straight up forgot that bit.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,647 ★★★★★
    Robots don’t benefit from willpower or salve masteries
  • raviXsharmaraviXsharma Member Posts: 570 ★★★
    Bendy said:

    The first and only one I've been able to get is Vision. I tried him in AOA and realized he isn't healing. I then ran in a practice mode and nothing while armor broken. Is this something with all of them that I missed or a bug?

    Hes still a robot and robots cant get willpower
    That made me think why are theg affected by infuriate and other emotion debuffs
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,529 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    The first and only one I've been able to get is Vision. I tried him in AOA and realized he isn't healing. I then ran in a practice mode and nothing while armor broken. Is this something with all of them that I missed or a bug?

    Hes still a robot and robots cant get willpower
    That made me think why are theg affected by infuriate and other emotion debuffs
    Especially deathless ones for sure
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 12,794 Guardian
    Which makes one think, just what was removed by Thanos in order for a Robot to be Deathless ?

    Do Robots have a Soul, which now they don’t as a Deathless ?

    Aka, the book (which inspired some movies like, I believe, Blade Runner ?) “Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep ?”
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,675 Guardian

    Bendy said:

    The first and only one I've been able to get is Vision. I tried him in AOA and realized he isn't healing. I then ran in a practice mode and nothing while armor broken. Is this something with all of them that I missed or a bug?

    Hes still a robot and robots cant get willpower
    That made me think why are theg affected by infuriate and other emotion debuffs
    Why does the knight in chess have to turn left or right in their moves, when horses can run perfectly fine in a straight line?

    No, this is not a joke or an attempt at sarcasm.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,675 Guardian

    Which makes one think, just what was removed by Thanos in order for a Robot to be Deathless ?

    Do Robots have a Soul, which now they don’t as a Deathless ?

    Aka, the book (which inspired some movies like, I believe, Blade Runner ?) “Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep ?”

    The lore seems to say that the Deathless were created from the nameless who were "empty" vessels to start off with:


    [from the champion profiles on the playcontestofchampions website]

    The Deathless were then imprinted with "malicious will." Specifically in the case of Deathless Vision the lore says:



    Whatever Vision had/has, Deathless Vision was given an evil or amoral version of that by Thanos when he elevated it to Deathless.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 12,794 Guardian
    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    The first and only one I've been able to get is Vision. I tried him in AOA and realized he isn't healing. I then ran in a practice mode and nothing while armor broken. Is this something with all of them that I missed or a bug?

    Hes still a robot and robots cant get willpower
    That made me think why are theg affected by infuriate and other emotion debuffs
    Why does the knight in chess have to turn left or right in their moves, when horses can run perfectly fine in a straight line?

    No, this is not a joke or an attempt at sarcasm.
    (Totally unrelated to robots, except they are training the horses to act in a robotic manner, but..)
    Have you seen those “Dressage” (or however you spell it) Equestrian events ? (watched some during the Olympics).
    Like the Rockefeller Rockett's high stepping routines, but for horses. Or making them move to the left or right in these competitions.
  • Frumpy_geezerFrumpy_geezer Member Posts: 52
    DNA3000 said:


    Why does the knight in chess have to turn left or right in their moves, when horses can run perfectly fine in a straight line?

    No, this is not a joke or an attempt at sarcasm.

    Apparently we've been looking at it all wrong and it's not really an "L" shape turn, found this and it makes enough sense to put my mind at ease.

  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,675 Guardian

    DNA3000 said:


    Why does the knight in chess have to turn left or right in their moves, when horses can run perfectly fine in a straight line?

    No, this is not a joke or an attempt at sarcasm.

    Apparently we've been looking at it all wrong and it's not really an "L" shape turn, found this and it makes enough sense to put my mind at ease.
    I don't know where they got that idea (they could just have been joking), but according to the FIDE rules of chess, Article 3.6, the legal moves of the Knight are not defined in terms of how the piece moves, but rather the legal squares to which it is allowed to move. The exact statement is:

    3.6 The knight may move to one of the squares nearest to that on which it stands but not on the same rank, file or diagonal.

    By illustration:



    Source: FIDE Handbook, Section E

    The colloquial description "move two squares then turn" is often used because the notions of rank and file that are common words of art in Chess aren't familiar concepts to players learning the rules of Chess.

    Precisely why knights move the way they do has been mostly lost to history, as the ancestors of Chess are very old and the original designers did not make themselves available on discussion forums. However, putting my game design hat on, I subscribe to the notion that the knight moves the way it does because its motion fills in a fundamental gap in how minor pieces moved in Chaturanga, a predecessor of Chess. In Chaturanga the King moves one square in any direction, the Minister (bishop) moves in diagonals and the rook in orthogonals, just like in modern chess. The elephant, a piece Chess lacks, moved two squares in diagonal directions but could jump a neighboring piece. The Horse (Knight) then moves to the only spaces none of those pieces could have moved directly to from the same starting square. Between the King, Bishop, Rook, and Elephant, their respective movement patterns can cover every square within two squares of a location, except for the squares the Knight can move to. With the Knight, every square can be reached by one of the standard movement options. So the Knight's moves are, in effect, just filling in a set of holes that piece movement doesn't otherwise cover. It is a weird looking set of holes, requiring a weird set of legal moves to cover.

    In other words, the Knight moves the way it does because it makes sense for the rules of Chess to allow such movement, and a piece was given that movement. Retroactively, the piece's movement was explained by how such a piece might be thought of as moving. Its a horse, so it jumps over other pieces. Its a horse, so it moves in bursts. Its a horse, so it can make maneuvers during a single move. But that's not why it moves that way. That's just a nice story we tell children. It moves that way because Chess needed a piece to move that way.

    Why are robots affected by infuriate? Because the rules of MCOC need them to be.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 12,794 Guardian
    edited November 15
    So I assume the “Rank and File” term in the military similarly refers to positioning (Rows v Columns) as in Chess ?

    And, I'll correct myself from earlier.

    Philip K D…'s novel is, of course, “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep ?”
    (but discussion here was about Robots at the time).

    (didn’t think his last name was gonna get by the automatic censor, lol)
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,675 Guardian

    So I assume the “Rank and File” term in the military similarly refers to positioning (Rows v Columns) as in Chess ?

    I believe modern Chess notation borrows those terms from the original military usage, and the terms mean the same thing (i.e. ranks are rows that go across the board, files are columns that go up and down the board).

    And, I'll correct myself from earlier.

    Philip K D…'s novel is, of course, “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep ?”
    (but discussion here was about Robots at the time).

    (didn’t think his last name was gonna get by the automatic censor, lol)

    Incidentally, the novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" is not really about the Androids, and whether they have souls. It is really about the people, and whether *they* have souls. It is about replicants that act more human than you'd expect, and humans acting less human than you'd expect, and wondering what does it mean if they now overlap.

    The central theme of most of PKD's stories is: do you really know what you think you know, and are you who you think you are.
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