Game becoming more P2W

HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★
For last 3 months kabam is selling one of the two champs for ridiculous money. Beta, Nefaria, Jack and now Dazzler and she is not even coming in November which might make her not available in next Titan cycle. Is this how its gonna be from now on, battlepass or store purchase every month?
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  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★
    edited November 25
    One thing I don't understand is why Dazzler is not coming in November, why lock her out of Titan other than to force people to people to spend on her. It is feeling greedy at this point. Guardians can you confirm if this is the direction we are going @PiKolu.
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 669 ★★★
    Because game has become more complex
    - more champs
    - more immunity, resistance etc
    - more demand for BG based champ
    - more content

    (I am a f2p)
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★
    PT_99 said:

    Then pay.

    But in all honesty, Kabam has to sell champs to earn money and it's not like Beta Ray bill was anything ground breaking,
    He's now in Titan, open and you'll get him. Also nefa is there.

    Spiral dazzler will hopefully be in December Banquet Titan reset pool, so better start saving.

    I just don't like Kabam giving away champs every month for money. If Dazzler doesn't come to Titan then it will be 3 months from the date of her release that f2p don't have access to her all while they are selling her on day 1. This is not a healthy dynamic. There are trophy champs in game who can only be attained by spending units or money which is fine, but this system is gonna make every champ a trophy champ.

    I want to be hopeful but the titan reset happens in 22 days and if Dazzler doesn't battlepass doesn't come out by that time she might not be in Titan.
  • Steam97Steam97 Member Posts: 237 ★★★
    I just hope dazzler will be in the next titan, I'm saving titan shards for her and if she won't be in that then I won't be happy. If she's a november champion and won't be in the titan just for kabam to get more money from her then it's a cheap shot from kabam to f2p players and it would make them just look greedier than usual
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,030 ★★★★★
    It has always become more and more P2W. This shouldn't be surprising anymore, you get used to see it
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,638 ★★★★★
    Who said dazzler won't be in next Titan. She is already a playable champ this month, and will be on titan by next month. There's zero reason for kabam to not add her in titan.
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Um, if ANYTHING THEY'RE MAKING CHAMPS MORE AVAILABLE
    We literally had 2 battle passes this year. If you wanted dazzler/BRB you'd have to spend $100 for a 6* now you can spend $30 for a GUARANTEED 7*. If anything KABAM should do more REGULAR BATTLE PASSES.

    Also you were always going to wait 3 months for a champion anyways, dazzler just happened to be the one you wanted and she was released last so you were unlucky and decided to notice this NOW when it's been in operating since the 6* featured crystals were a thing.

    The titan rotates, if isophyne wasn't given to us and was an official champion and she got released before dazzler then she'd be the last champ in the DEC titan and dazzler would be moved to the February bunch.
    Nothing's changed.

    Instead of acting entitled and like the game is strictly for payers despite kabam giving F2P access to everything, what you should be doing is getting on your knees and PRAYING that dazzler gets released before isophyne although it's unlikely that's she'd be in the titan this DEC as that would defeat the whole purpose of her battle pass as people could pop a titan and get her instead of buying her. Well, never say never I guess.

    F2P always want the same level of reward at the same time as people who pay.
    That's not how the game has ever worked, if you want something that much, pay for it or wait till you can access it.
    YOU'LL BE FINE

    Your points are valid, but giving away every champ (now it is 1/2) for money will make the gap between f2p and payers even more. I don't wanna spend 30$ on a mobile game, maybe I have to make an exception for Dazzler for what she means to me.

    We used to get new champs in Titan in a max of 2 months. In this case Dazzler is meant to be last champ in Titan cycle but Kabam wants more money so they delayed her release intentionally so they can sell their battlepass, which is very greedy of them. And why don't we have gameplay of her anywhere, is she a Nov champ or Dec champ?

    Also just watch Kabam make tiers in battlepass: one where you get the champ on day 1 and another after 1 month. This is just my observation with how this game is moving forward with respect to deals. I can only hope for Dazzler to be in Titan or else I have to break my f2p for her if they really give her away for $30.
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★
    @NONYABIZZ Do you think Dazzler battlepass will be $30 considering she will be available to get on the day of purchase unlike BRB and Morb?
  • Mixtapevol02Mixtapevol02 Member Posts: 109 ★★
    Please enlighten us on what do you win?

    You should cut Kabam some slack. Xmas is coming, they do need to make some kinda of money to help their employees feed their families. They have done a pretty good job keeping this game free to play and free of ads. Even if they release her in the titans, there’s no guarantee you will get her anyway. Unless u have a trick or two that could share with us.
    If you can’t wait then you could pay and support the game like all the other generous spenders.

  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★
    NONYABIZZ said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Um, if ANYTHING THEY'RE MAKING CHAMPS MORE AVAILABLE
    We literally had 2 battle passes this year. If you wanted dazzler/BRB you'd have to spend $100 for a 6* now you can spend $30 for a GUARANTEED 7*. If anything KABAM should do more REGULAR BATTLE PASSES.

    Also you were always going to wait 3 months for a champion anyways, dazzler just happened to be the one you wanted and she was released last so you were unlucky and decided to notice this NOW when it's been in operating since the 6* featured crystals were a thing.

    The titan rotates, if isophyne wasn't given to us and was an official champion and she got released before dazzler then she'd be the last champ in the DEC titan and dazzler would be moved to the February bunch.
    Nothing's changed.

    Instead of acting entitled and like the game is strictly for payers despite kabam giving F2P access to everything, what you should be doing is getting on your knees and PRAYING that dazzler gets released before isophyne although it's unlikely that's she'd be in the titan this DEC as that would defeat the whole purpose of her battle pass as people could pop a titan and get her instead of buying her. Well, never say never I guess.

    F2P always want the same level of reward at the same time as people who pay.
    That's not how the game has ever worked, if you want something that much, pay for it or wait till you can access it.
    YOU'LL BE FINE

    Your points are valid, but giving away every champ (now it is 1/2) for money will make the gap between f2p and payers even more. I don't wanna spend 30$ on a mobile game, maybe I have to make an exception for Dazzler for what she means to me.

    We used to get new champs in Titan in a max of 2 months. In this case Dazzler is meant to be last champ in Titan cycle but Kabam wants more money so they delayed her release intentionally so they can sell their battlepass, which is very greedy of them. And why don't we have gameplay of her anywhere, is she a Nov champ or Dec champ?

    Also just watch Kabam make tiers in battlepass: one where you get the champ on day 1 and another after 1 month. This is just my observation with how this game is moving forward with respect to deals. I can only hope for Dazzler to be in Titan or else I have to break my f2p for her if they really give her away for $30.
    Did you ever consider that dazzler was released in December BECAUSE KABAM would literally make no money from any champ release in December. THEY'RE GIVING ISOPHYNE FOR FREE. Where's the "W KABAM" posts for that???
    You may not care Abt isophyne but they put alot of effort and MONEY into her and are just giving her away for free.

    As a marketing move they moved dazzler to December so they could at least bring in profit during December from champ release. And as COMPENSATION for making us wait an extra month they decided to make her cost 70% less or whatever % less it would cost to get her day 1(which I will be getting) as well as Guarantee us a 7* through the battle pass.

    I'm assuming they expected dazzler during December to bring in the cost of 2 champions(dazzler and isophyne) which is why they didn't make her $100 because only MEGA WHALES AND/OR FANS of the character would purchase her Pre-Release (ME but not everyone has that amount to just throw out). So they decided to make her more cost friendly in hopes that not only the mega whales that buy every champ would get her, but ALSO CASUAL SPENDERS who may like what they see would drop $30 for her. This would reduce the cost but doubles the PROFIT GAINED as X3 of the people who would initially buy her before would buy her now.

    Where are the kabam appreciation posts for THE DISCOUNT THEY LITERALLY GAVE US instead of complaining for waiting one more month.
    Also, like I said before, WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO WAIT 3 MONTHS FOR A CHAMPION TO HIT THE TITAN as spaces were already filled. YOU JUST HAPPENED TO CARE NOW BECAUSE YOU WANTED DAZZLER AND SHE MOST LIKELY WON'T MAKE THE CUT.

    Also to reply to your recent question, dazzler will cost $30 to get her in maybe the span of a month or 3 months which would mean you would get her in February alongside the time her titan drops (feb). NOTE: THIS IS ASSUMING THE BATTLE PASS IS 3MNTH AND SHE ISN'T HITTING THE TITAN THIS DECEMBER.

    OR, you could get her on day 1 which I'm assuming will be an extra $5-20 which I DO THINK IS STILL A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FROM PRE-RELEASE COSTS which cost $100 for just a 6* while this is less for a guaranteed 7*. So as long as it is less than $100 KABAM DID VERY WELL FOR THIS DEAL.

    If I could buy the battle pass twice I would so I could get her duped (that's just be being greedy).
    You are true that they won't make money through champ release in DEC, but there is Cyber Weekend and Banquet where they can milk the whales to the fullest. That was the reason why I thought Isophene was being given as free (+ the 10 year anniversary thing)

    Releasing Dazzler after Cyber Weekend when people have spent a lot already will affect the number of people who buy her from battlepass (there is banquet as well for which people might be saving). If I was Kabam I would put Dazzler for battlepass at the start of Nov where players can get her by the start of December this way I could milk whales twice without them feeling it. Your explanation is convincing but it falls apart because they are better off giving dazzler in battlepass in November itself.
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 636 ★★★

    NONYABIZZ said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Um, if ANYTHING THEY'RE MAKING CHAMPS MORE AVAILABLE
    We literally had 2 battle passes this year. If you wanted dazzler/BRB you'd have to spend $100 for a 6* now you can spend $30 for a GUARANTEED 7*. If anything KABAM should do more REGULAR BATTLE PASSES.

    Also you were always going to wait 3 months for a champion anyways, dazzler just happened to be the one you wanted and she was released last so you were unlucky and decided to notice this NOW when it's been in operating since the 6* featured crystals were a thing.

    The titan rotates, if isophyne wasn't given to us and was an official champion and she got released before dazzler then she'd be the last champ in the DEC titan and dazzler would be moved to the February bunch.
    Nothing's changed.

    Instead of acting entitled and like the game is strictly for payers despite kabam giving F2P access to everything, what you should be doing is getting on your knees and PRAYING that dazzler gets released before isophyne although it's unlikely that's she'd be in the titan this DEC as that would defeat the whole purpose of her battle pass as people could pop a titan and get her instead of buying her. Well, never say never I guess.

    F2P always want the same level of reward at the same time as people who pay.
    That's not how the game has ever worked, if you want something that much, pay for it or wait till you can access it.
    YOU'LL BE FINE

    Your points are valid, but giving away every champ (now it is 1/2) for money will make the gap between f2p and payers even more. I don't wanna spend 30$ on a mobile game, maybe I have to make an exception for Dazzler for what she means to me.

    We used to get new champs in Titan in a max of 2 months. In this case Dazzler is meant to be last champ in Titan cycle but Kabam wants more money so they delayed her release intentionally so they can sell their battlepass, which is very greedy of them. And why don't we have gameplay of her anywhere, is she a Nov champ or Dec champ?

    Also just watch Kabam make tiers in battlepass: one where you get the champ on day 1 and another after 1 month. This is just my observation with how this game is moving forward with respect to deals. I can only hope for Dazzler to be in Titan or else I have to break my f2p for her if they really give her away for $30.
    Did you ever consider that dazzler was released in December BECAUSE KABAM would literally make no money from any champ release in December. THEY'RE GIVING ISOPHYNE FOR FREE. Where's the "W KABAM" posts for that???
    You may not care Abt isophyne but they put alot of effort and MONEY into her and are just giving her away for free.

    As a marketing move they moved dazzler to December so they could at least bring in profit during December from champ release. And as COMPENSATION for making us wait an extra month they decided to make her cost 70% less or whatever % less it would cost to get her day 1(which I will be getting) as well as Guarantee us a 7* through the battle pass.

    I'm assuming they expected dazzler during December to bring in the cost of 2 champions(dazzler and isophyne) which is why they didn't make her $100 because only MEGA WHALES AND/OR FANS of the character would purchase her Pre-Release (ME but not everyone has that amount to just throw out). So they decided to make her more cost friendly in hopes that not only the mega whales that buy every champ would get her, but ALSO CASUAL SPENDERS who may like what they see would drop $30 for her. This would reduce the cost but doubles the PROFIT GAINED as X3 of the people who would initially buy her before would buy her now.

    Where are the kabam appreciation posts for THE DISCOUNT THEY LITERALLY GAVE US instead of complaining for waiting one more month.
    Also, like I said before, WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO WAIT 3 MONTHS FOR A CHAMPION TO HIT THE TITAN as spaces were already filled. YOU JUST HAPPENED TO CARE NOW BECAUSE YOU WANTED DAZZLER AND SHE MOST LIKELY WON'T MAKE THE CUT.

    Also to reply to your recent question, dazzler will cost $30 to get her in maybe the span of a month or 3 months which would mean you would get her in February alongside the time her titan drops (feb). NOTE: THIS IS ASSUMING THE BATTLE PASS IS 3MNTH AND SHE ISN'T HITTING THE TITAN THIS DECEMBER.

    OR, you could get her on day 1 which I'm assuming will be an extra $5-20 which I DO THINK IS STILL A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FROM PRE-RELEASE COSTS which cost $100 for just a 6* while this is less for a guaranteed 7*. So as long as it is less than $100 KABAM DID VERY WELL FOR THIS DEAL.

    If I could buy the battle pass twice I would so I could get her duped (that's just be being greedy).
    You are true that they won't make money through champ release in DEC, but there is Cyber Weekend and Banquet where they can milk the whales to the fullest. That was the reason why I thought Isophene was being given as free (+ the 10 year anniversary thing)

    Releasing Dazzler after Cyber Weekend when people have spent a lot already will affect the number of people who buy her from battlepass (there is banquet as well for which people might be saving). If I was Kabam I would put Dazzler for battlepass at the start of Nov where players can get her by the start of December this way I could milk whales twice without them feeling it. Your explanation is convincing but it falls apart because they are better off giving dazzler in battlepass in November itself.
    Okay but... Just hear me out...
    Would you buy dazzler in November to get her in December (according to you) when she would've been also released in December and you can now get her in the titan in THE SAME December???

    Cos according to you she should also drop this December in the titan.

    You see why we can't have both??
    It's flawed.

    The only thing I'd agree on is that we should've already been getting CCP videos.
    I NEED TO SEE SOME GAMEPLAY. At least build up the hype so people would want to INSTANTLY BUY HER when she's available.
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★
    NONYABIZZ said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Um, if ANYTHING THEY'RE MAKING CHAMPS MORE AVAILABLE
    We literally had 2 battle passes this year. If you wanted dazzler/BRB you'd have to spend $100 for a 6* now you can spend $30 for a GUARANTEED 7*. If anything KABAM should do more REGULAR BATTLE PASSES.

    Also you were always going to wait 3 months for a champion anyways, dazzler just happened to be the one you wanted and she was released last so you were unlucky and decided to notice this NOW when it's been in operating since the 6* featured crystals were a thing.

    The titan rotates, if isophyne wasn't given to us and was an official champion and she got released before dazzler then she'd be the last champ in the DEC titan and dazzler would be moved to the February bunch.
    Nothing's changed.

    Instead of acting entitled and like the game is strictly for payers despite kabam giving F2P access to everything, what you should be doing is getting on your knees and PRAYING that dazzler gets released before isophyne although it's unlikely that's she'd be in the titan this DEC as that would defeat the whole purpose of her battle pass as people could pop a titan and get her instead of buying her. Well, never say never I guess.

    F2P always want the same level of reward at the same time as people who pay.
    That's not how the game has ever worked, if you want something that much, pay for it or wait till you can access it.
    YOU'LL BE FINE

    Your points are valid, but giving away every champ (now it is 1/2) for money will make the gap between f2p and payers even more. I don't wanna spend 30$ on a mobile game, maybe I have to make an exception for Dazzler for what she means to me.

    We used to get new champs in Titan in a max of 2 months. In this case Dazzler is meant to be last champ in Titan cycle but Kabam wants more money so they delayed her release intentionally so they can sell their battlepass, which is very greedy of them. And why don't we have gameplay of her anywhere, is she a Nov champ or Dec champ?

    Also just watch Kabam make tiers in battlepass: one where you get the champ on day 1 and another after 1 month. This is just my observation with how this game is moving forward with respect to deals. I can only hope for Dazzler to be in Titan or else I have to break my f2p for her if they really give her away for $30.
    Did you ever consider that dazzler was released in December BECAUSE KABAM would literally make no money from any champ release in December. THEY'RE GIVING ISOPHYNE FOR FREE. Where's the "W KABAM" posts for that???
    You may not care Abt isophyne but they put alot of effort and MONEY into her and are just giving her away for free.

    As a marketing move they moved dazzler to December so they could at least bring in profit during December from champ release. And as COMPENSATION for making us wait an extra month they decided to make her cost 70% less or whatever % less it would cost to get her day 1(which I will be getting) as well as Guarantee us a 7* through the battle pass.

    I'm assuming they expected dazzler during December to bring in the cost of 2 champions(dazzler and isophyne) which is why they didn't make her $100 because only MEGA WHALES AND/OR FANS of the character would purchase her Pre-Release (ME but not everyone has that amount to just throw out). So they decided to make her more cost friendly in hopes that not only the mega whales that buy every champ would get her, but ALSO CASUAL SPENDERS who may like what they see would drop $30 for her. This would reduce the cost but doubles the PROFIT GAINED as X3 of the people who would initially buy her before would buy her now.

    Where are the kabam appreciation posts for THE DISCOUNT THEY LITERALLY GAVE US instead of complaining for waiting one more month.
    Also, like I said before, WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO WAIT 3 MONTHS FOR A CHAMPION TO HIT THE TITAN as spaces were already filled. YOU JUST HAPPENED TO CARE NOW BECAUSE YOU WANTED DAZZLER AND SHE MOST LIKELY WON'T MAKE THE CUT.

    Also to reply to your recent question, dazzler will cost $30 to get her in maybe the span of a month or 3 months which would mean you would get her in February alongside the time her titan drops (feb). NOTE: THIS IS ASSUMING THE BATTLE PASS IS 3MNTH AND SHE ISN'T HITTING THE TITAN THIS DECEMBER.

    OR, you could get her on day 1 which I'm assuming will be an extra $5-20 which I DO THINK IS STILL A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FROM PRE-RELEASE COSTS which cost $100 for just a 6* while this is less for a guaranteed 7*. So as long as it is less than $100 KABAM DID VERY WELL FOR THIS DEAL.

    If I could buy the battle pass twice I would so I could get her duped (that's just be being greedy).
    You are true that they won't make money through champ release in DEC, but there is Cyber Weekend and Banquet where they can milk the whales to the fullest. That was the reason why I thought Isophene was being given as free (+ the 10 year anniversary thing)

    Releasing Dazzler after Cyber Weekend when people have spent a lot already will affect the number of people who buy her from battlepass (there is banquet as well for which people might be saving). If I was Kabam I would put Dazzler for battlepass at the start of Nov where players can get her by the start of December this way I could milk whales twice without them feeling it. Your explanation is convincing but it falls apart because they are better off giving dazzler in battlepass in November itself.
    Okay but... Just hear me out...
    Would you buy dazzler in November to get her in December (according to you) when she would've been also released in December and you can now get her in the titan in THE SAME December???

    Cos according to you she should also drop this December in the titan.

    You see why we can't have both??
    It's flawed.

    The only thing I'd agree on is that we should've already been getting CCP videos.
    I NEED TO SEE SOME GAMEPLAY. At least build up the hype so people would want to INSTANTLY BUY HER when she's available.
    It didn't stop Nefaria webstore sales, but yeah there should have been an option to get her on day 1 like what there are aiming for in Dec then people who spend can have her a month early (which is good enough to sell the champ imo).

    Lack gameplay from CCP make it seem like she really is a December champ. I guess December not a single champ month anymore.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 720 ★★★★
    @Harryatomix unless you have hundreds of thousands of titan shards saved up, this whole argument is kind of dumb. Even if they release her in the December Titan crystal, you are not likely to pull her.
  • Justcause102Justcause102 Member Posts: 143

    If the battle pass is for three months, Dazzler will cost $125

    I should correct myself. This would cost between $90 and $100. So, yes, it would cost less than purchasing a pre-release bundle. Also, I believe she will be released in February. Why would we need to purchase the battle pass if we could just obtain her from a titan crystal?

  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 3,994 Guardian
    edited November 25
    While i'm not a huge fan of the massive sales selling champs, it is an ingenious way to add revenue streams for those who really want the champ, without the crystal luck fatigue. It is a W for spenders. For the rest of the players, it doesnt affect us as we get the champ the same time we always have. I dont see anything wrong with the sales of champs, it basically adds those spenders who didnt like the luck of the crystals to pull a 7* into getting the champ early.
    It may also be a part of reducing the load on holidays in general so folks dont have to fork out massive amounts of cash. Adding diversity to the cash flows so that folks (and kabam) wont be dependant on a single sale. It is a W for spenders, and overall W for the playerbase because it provides revenues to add devs to do a lot more. ( as it is apparent with all the content and buffs and events lately)
  • RaganatorRaganator Member Posts: 2,544 ★★★★★
    3 months? It's been moving that way for much longer than that. I used to drop a few hundred bucks a year and was able to stay extremely competitive. For me, it when from "hey, it'll be fun to buy an odin and have some fun" to "seems like its only worth spending on big holidays if you are going clean out the store." Also going from two big sales a year went to 3, and then to 4 - I knew it was time for me (personally) to stop spending. I'm all about people spending to keep the game going, and Kabam seems to have found a way to make money - good on them. The downside is that I am less interested in playing at a less competitive level and don't even really spend at all anymore. Delicate balance form them to know they will lose some spenders, but being able to make up for it by having people buy out the stores. But again, it has been trending this way for a long time - with the introduction of BGs (the "solo competitive mode" that is really more of a "solo monetization mode" accelerating it even more.
  • Villain_87Villain_87 Member Posts: 86
    Government is not paying kabam .. what should they do for living? Will u do something free huh? They r trying to make more money 😅
  • Steam97Steam97 Member Posts: 237 ★★★

    While i'm not a huge fan of the massive sales selling champs, it is an ingenious way to add revenue streams for those who really want the champ, without the crystal luck fatigue. It is a W for spenders. For the rest of the players, it doesnt affect us as we get the champ the same time we always have. I dont see anything wrong with the sales of champs, it basically adds those spenders who didnt like the luck of the crystals to pull a 7* into getting the champ early.
    It may also be a part of reducing the load on holidays in general so folks dont have to fork out massive amounts of cash. Adding diversity to the cash flows so that folks (and kabam) wont be dependant on a single sale. It is a W for spenders, and overall W for the playerbase because it provides revenues to add devs to do a lot more. ( as it is apparent with all the content and buffs and events lately)

    They just need to be careful not to give 7 stars away too easily or they'll drop in value and they'll be forced to accelerate the economy state of the game
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,240 ★★★★★
    People who write this type of post make me wonder... They don't try to get more money at their jobs?...
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 350 ★★★

    People who write this type of post make me wonder... They don't try to get more money at their jobs?...

    I am studying :) I buy pc games, mobile games I don't usually spend.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,068 ★★★★★

    For last 3 months kabam is selling one of the two champs for ridiculous money. Beta, Nefaria, Jack and now Dazzler and she is not even coming in November which might make her not available in next Titan cycle. Is this how its gonna be from now on, battlepass or store purchase every month?

    Units are free in game as much as they are available for pay. You pay, you get things quicker. The game isn't any more P2W than in the past.
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