Why Did the Sentinel Buff Keep Incinerates?

DinoHop05 · December 6

Sentinel is supposed to be this massive mutant killing machine. After the buff (like the current version), most of his damage will rely on the L2 incinerate debuffs.

The problem is that many mutants are either incinerate immune (Kitty, Havok, Colossus, Emma, Iceman, Sunspot) or will punish you greatly if you inflict incinerate and have major resistance (Onslaught and Bishop).

So why is the buffed Sentinel still so reliant on incinerate to do damage?

Wicket329 · December 6

I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”

Giantwalrus56 · December 6

Wicket329 said:
I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”

This is a great idea. Especially, since he ramps much faster now. Omega Sentinel had that, why wouldn't Sentinel?

ThePredator1001 · December 7

Wicket329 said:
I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”

I’d say degen would be better than plasma, since it would bypass the mutants energy resistance and avoid triggering their abilities.

Wicket329 · December 7

ThePredator1001 said:

Wicket329 said:
I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”
I’d say degen would be better than plasma, since it would bypass the mutants energy resistance and avoid triggering their abilities.

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Plasma is a thing that was made specifically for the tech class to bypass mutant immunities. It’s part of their class identity, degen isn’t.

Polygon · December 7

Its the trend for current techs. Everyone was hoping Prowler would get it in his rebalance but low and behold, stuck with incinerate

PT_99 · December 7

Prowler should've get plasma, Ironheart should've get plasma, Sentinal should've get plasma.

Like whole community begged Kabam to change prowler heavy to plasma during rebalance but Kabam ignored.

And now, Sentinal, Kabam's new BIG BOLD MUTANT KILLER, still is little bih when he has to fight against ACTUAL big bold mutants because fire damage is thing of past and mutants have immune to it or punish you down bad for using fire debuff.

Huge L

Another detail could be that, Sentinal is literally from future? So you're saying future scientists are still relying on sending their mutant killer machine into past to hunt mutants who are already fire immune??
Huge oversight by Kabam.

EdisonLaw · December 7

Wicket329 said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Wicket329 said:
I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”
I’d say degen would be better than plasma, since it would bypass the mutants energy resistance and avoid triggering their abilities.
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Plasma is a thing that was made specifically for the tech class to bypass mutant immunities. It’s part of their class identity, degen isn’t.

Only Onslaught should have degen, others don't

Magrailothos · December 7

The argument for plasma is pretty meh.

Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.

Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?

PT_99 · December 7

Magrailothos said:
The argument for plasma is pretty meh.

Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.

Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?

When you make a robo mutant killer, you want him to ACTUALLY kill.

The robo can't do **** against actual mutants defenders, so him beating scuffed mutants is hilarious 🤣

startropics · December 7

Wicket329 said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Wicket329 said:
I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”
I’d say degen would be better than plasma, since it would bypass the mutants energy resistance and avoid triggering their abilities.
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Plasma is a thing that was made specifically for the tech class to bypass mutant immunities. It’s part of their class identity, degen isn’t.

but doesn't ultron do degen against mutants?

startropics · December 7

Magrailothos said:
The argument for plasma is pretty meh.

Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.

Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?

fair point!

captain_rogers · December 7

Y'all want the future mutants immune to plasma or what?

captain_rogers · December 7

PT_99 said:
Prowler should've get plasma, Ironheart should've get plasma, Sentinal should've get plasma.

Like whole community begged Kabam to change prowler heavy to plasma during rebalance but Kabam ignored.

And now, Sentinal, Kabam's new BIG BOLD MUTANT KILLER, still is little bih when he has to fight against ACTUAL big bold mutants because fire damage is thing of past and mutants have immune to it or punish you down bad for using fire debuff.

Huge L

Another detail could be that, Sentinal is literally from future? So you're saying future scientists are still relying on sending their mutant killer machine into past to hunt mutants who are already fire immune??
Huge oversight by Kabam.

Prowler doesn't need the incenerates for damage, especially against muties.

Ironheart have ruptures for anti incenerate mutants.

Do you want sentinel to be powerful than nimrod? Cuz that's what you're askin.

PT_99 · December 7

captain_rogers said:

PT_99 said:
Prowler should've get plasma, Ironheart should've get plasma, Sentinal should've get plasma.

Like whole community begged Kabam to change prowler heavy to plasma during rebalance but Kabam ignored.

And now, Sentinal, Kabam's new BIG BOLD MUTANT KILLER, still is little bih when he has to fight against ACTUAL big bold mutants because fire damage is thing of past and mutants have immune to it or punish you down bad for using fire debuff.

Huge L

Another detail could be that, Sentinal is literally from future? So you're saying future scientists are still relying on sending their mutant killer machine into past to hunt mutants who are already fire immune??
Huge oversight by Kabam.

Prowler doesn't need the incenerates for damage, especially against muties.

Ironheart have ruptures for anti incenerate mutants.

Do you want sentinel to be powerful than nimrod? Cuz that's what you're askin.

Bro Nimrod is so bad rn, he really needs 7* upgrade to get a big boost. He fell behind competition

Greed_Exodus · December 7

I had the same exact thought, and I mean hey if they can buff Deadpool twice and Gamora and maw 20 times then they could definitely add plasma later on

startropics · December 7

Magrailothos said:
The argument for plasma is pretty meh.

Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.

Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?

this is probably the best message to takeaway from this thread.

dll has implied going against the standard class identity when brainstorming champ designs and it makes sense.

it pains me that sentinel won't work against a lot mutants but do we really need to ruin the defensive value of most of them with one champ? that's bad design. champs like nimrod hurt the game more than help.

Ourobøros · December 7

Dust is one of the pesky mutant defenders, and Sentinel is one who can counter her with his incinerates. It would make no sense updating a champ to counter old champs instead of new ones. The top mutant threats right now are Onslaught and Dust, and I'm sure no one would pick Sentinel to fight Onslaught, but definitely to fight Dust, besides, there's a whole year of new champs ahead of us, and we don't know anything about them yet, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge like this

Average_Desi · December 7

Magrailothos said:
The argument for plasma is pretty meh.

Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.

Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?

Huh, didn't think of it this way. Good shout.

Although I am very disappointed sentinel isn't stronger

Greed_Exodus · December 7

Ourobøros said:
Dust is one of the pesky mutant defenders, and Sentinel is one who can counter her with his incinerates. It would make no sense updating a champ to counter old champs instead of new ones. The top mutant threats right now are Onslaught and Dust, and I'm sure no one would pick Sentinel to fight Onslaught, but definitely to fight Dust, besides, there's a whole year of new champs ahead of us, and we don't know anything about them yet, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge like this

You won’t want to fight dust with sentinel, you rank him by hitting block and hitting dusts block just sends her into sandstorm mode and you take damage, that or bait 4 sp1 in a row, also very slow when someone like shocker does the fight in 40 seconds

Ansh_A · December 7

Cant they just put a line saying if the opponent is mutant and immune to incinerate, Sentinel applies plasma with the second application.

It shows his self learning system as well.

DinoHop05 · December 7

startropics said:

Magrailothos said:
The argument for plasma is pretty meh.

Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.

Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?
this is probably the best message to takeaway from this thread.

dll has implied going against the standard class identity when brainstorming champ designs and it makes sense.

it pains me that sentinel won't work against a lot mutants but do we really need to ruin the defensive value of most of them with one champ? that's bad design. champs like nimrod hurt the game more than help.

Of course DLL would say that, he thinks turning off masteries is good champ design.

But regardless, I disagree with your supposed takeaway, because Sentinel keeping incinerates tips him toward being too weak. His inability to counter the most common mutants means he will sit on the bench in BGs and most other important content too. Why bring him when other techs are more versatile? What's the point of buffing him if he won't be any more helpful?

ThePredator1001 · December 7

Wicket329 said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Wicket329 said:
I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”
I’d say degen would be better than plasma, since it would bypass the mutants energy resistance and avoid triggering their abilities.
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Plasma is a thing that was made specifically for the tech class to bypass mutant immunities. It’s part of their class identity, degen isn’t.

I agree plasma is more in line with the class identity and I’d be happy to see it instead of the incinerate. Only problem is plasma still triggers mutants like Havok. Ultron swaps out his bleed for degen against mutants so it wouldn’t be unheard of. Either way I doubt they will change it unless his buff underperforms.

PT_99 · December 7

Ourobøros said:
Dust is one of the pesky mutant defenders, and Sentinel is one who can counter her with his incinerates. It would make no sense updating a champ to counter old champs instead of new ones. The top mutant threats right now are Onslaught and Dust, and I'm sure no one would pick Sentinel to fight Onslaught, but definitely to fight Dust, besides, there's a whole year of new champs ahead of us, and we don't know anything about them yet, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge like this

Blud don't even know how Dust works as defender but out here giving advice,

If you hit dust block, she gives you sand debuff, when 4 sand debuff, she activates her sandstorm to give you guaranteed insane damage over time, enough to make you lose the round.

Sentinal's whole playstyle is hitting enemy block to gain charges and ramp. 🤣
So if you hit her block, she kick you in balls 🫲

Ourobøros · December 7

PT_99 said:

Ourobøros said:
Dust is one of the pesky mutant defenders, and Sentinel is one who can counter her with his incinerates. It would make no sense updating a champ to counter old champs instead of new ones. The top mutant threats right now are Onslaught and Dust, and I'm sure no one would pick Sentinel to fight Onslaught, but definitely to fight Dust, besides, there's a whole year of new champs ahead of us, and we don't know anything about them yet, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge like this
Blud don't even know how Dust works as defender but out here giving advice,

If you hit dust block, she gives you sand debuff, when 4 sand debuff, she activates her sandstorm to give you guaranteed insane damage over time, enough to make you lose the round.

Sentinal's whole playstyle is hitting enemy block to gain charges and ramp. 🤣
So if you hit her block, she kick you in balls 🫲

Hitting block is not the ONLY way. Also, THE Paragon shouldn't be talking **** about anyone's comments

PT_99 · December 7

Ourobøros said:

PT_99 said:

Ourobøros said:
Dust is one of the pesky mutant defenders, and Sentinel is one who can counter her with his incinerates. It would make no sense updating a champ to counter old champs instead of new ones. The top mutant threats right now are Onslaught and Dust, and I'm sure no one would pick Sentinel to fight Onslaught, but definitely to fight Dust, besides, there's a whole year of new champs ahead of us, and we don't know anything about them yet, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge like this
Blud don't even know how Dust works as defender but out here giving advice,

If you hit dust block, she gives you sand debuff, when 4 sand debuff, she activates her sandstorm to give you guaranteed insane damage over time, enough to make you lose the round.

Sentinal's whole playstyle is hitting enemy block to gain charges and ramp. 🤣
So if you hit her block, she kick you in balls 🫲
Hitting block is not the ONLY way. Also, THE Paragon shouldn't be talking **** about anyone's comments

You need software update,
Im THE VALAINT. 🙄

kus234 · December 7

Because he is a mutant killing machine who CANNOT KILL MUTANTS ha ha ha.

PT_99 · December 7

kus234 said:
Because he is a mutant killing machine who CANNOT KILL MUTANTS ha ha ha.

Who will win? A ruthlessly crafted, perfectly engineered robo of vile future with only one aim to free humanity off mutants? No matter the cost?

Or a funny mutant girl who goes through walls and have a little pet dragon??

Ourobøros · December 7

PT_99 said:

kus234 said:
Because he is a mutant killing machine who CANNOT KILL MUTANTS ha ha ha.
Who will win? A ruthlessly crafted, perfectly engineered robo of vile future with only one aim to free humanity off mutants? No matter the cost?

Or a funny mutant girl who goes through walls and have a little pet dragon??

In fact, Kitty is one of the few mutants able to disrupt Sentinel tech

Java_Junkie · December 7

startropics said:
but doesn't ultron do degen against mutants?

good call, but from a design standpoint, they leave themselves (and us) more room if that’s an exception, and not the new rule.

psp742 · December 7

Instead of outright plasma.. Sentinel needs to work for it just like Ironman IW.. sp1 shock, sp2 incinerate and medium or light hits will combine shock and incinerate into plasma.. maybe degen and plasma combined plasma meltdown (more damage than porker poppers).

Why Did the Sentinel Buff Keep Incinerates?

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