Technical question about skipping progression.

benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
edited December 6 in General Discussion
Since the Valiant title has been introduced, I have been wondering if it's possible to skip paragon to become valiant. I'm now "kinda" close to achieving this. Only kinda, because I still have to explore 9.1 and act 8, but initial completion of the story is done.
And I wouldn't ask this, if we wouldn't have the 10 7* drop. TB only get 6*s, and a 7* isophene, only paragon+ gets all 7*, and it would really hurt to miss out on those.

That's why I'm here, asking @KabamDORK and @KabamCrashed if it's even possible to achieve this feat? Would it give me valiant, and just tick the box at paragon? Or would I remain TB with 2 7R3?

Sorry for the tagging.
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  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,548 ★★★★★
    benshb said:

    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
    You can't skip a progression lvl, either do 2 6r4a or miss on the 7*...
  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
    It's been clarified in the past. You are unable to skip progressions. You have the be at the previous title in order to advance to the next.
    Has it really been? I tried searching the forums, but haven't found any mention of it.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,166 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
    It's been clarified in the past. You are unable to skip progressions. You have the be at the previous title in order to advance to the next.
    I know a year ago, the devs told me that it should be theoretically possible to skip progressions
    I thought someone tried it here on the forums and it didn't work. I can see skipping the lower ones but didn't think TB to Valiant is possible.
  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
    It's been clarified in the past. You are unable to skip progressions. You have the be at the previous title in order to advance to the next.
    Has it really been? I tried searching the forums, but haven't found any mention of it.
    Edit- More research needed from me.
    Paragon needs act7 completion and 3 6r4. Valiant needs act8 completion and 2 7r3. I know the story part can't be skipped, but the ranked hero part can be. I already have 7*s, one if them is r2, and have to 6r5, while the rest of the 6*s are remaining on rank3, so I can bypass the rank requirement.
  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
    klobberintyme said:

    benshb said:

    Since the Valiant title has been introduced, I have been wondering if it's possible to skip paragon to become valiant. I'm now "kinda" close to achieving this. Only kinda, because I still have to explore 9.1 and act 8, but initial completion of the story is done.
    And I wouldn't ask this, if we wouldn't have the 10 7* drop. TB only get 6*s, and a 7* isophene, only paragon+ gets all 7*, and it would really hurt to miss out on those.

    That's why I'm here, asking @KabamDORK and @KabamCrashed if it's even possible to achieve this feat? Would it give me valiant, and just tick the box at paragon? Or would I remain TB with 2 7R3?

    Sorry for the tagging.

    So you're saying you're sitting on just 2 6r4s and taking just 1 more up will guarantee the 7* 10x10, but for some reason you want to putter about for 2 7r3s hoping the coding doesn't crash your account progression? Just so you can say Hey I'm Special?


    It's an old gifting acc, and the only reason I started pushing it is this "challenge". And I'm just wondering how would it play out. It sure would look fun if I have 2 7r3 but I'm only TB. 🤷😄
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,281 ★★★★★
    Crazy idea, but instead of talking about and theorizing, go explore the content, rank the champs and see what happens. Gotta progress at some point either way. If it works you can say you're the first to do, if it doesn't then you've got 3 days to figure that out.
  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
    Furrymoosen said:

    Crazy idea, but instead of talking about and theorizing, go explore the content, rank the champs and see what happens. Gotta progress at some point either way. If it works you can say you're the first to do, if it doesn't then you've got 3 days to figure that out.

    I mean.... I just completed act 8 and 9.1 in 7 days, did orochi just today, I'm trying my best.😄
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,548 ★★★★★
    benshb said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    Crazy idea, but instead of talking about and theorizing, go explore the content, rank the champs and see what happens. Gotta progress at some point either way. If it works you can say you're the first to do, if it doesn't then you've got 3 days to figure that out.

    I mean.... I just completed act 8 and 9.1 in 7 days, did orochi just today, I'm trying my best.😄
    You do realize that if you had done everything in a correct order... Doing AoA and SoS and all those events available for Paragon you probably would be in better shape...
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,617 ★★★★
    benshb said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    Crazy idea, but instead of talking about and theorizing, go explore the content, rank the champs and see what happens. Gotta progress at some point either way. If it works you can say you're the first to do, if it doesn't then you've got 3 days to figure that out.

    I mean.... I just completed act 8 and 9.1 in 7 days, did orochi just today, I'm trying my best.😄
    One of my alts is a TB with 2 7r2s and hasn't touched act 7 yet. It's not going to be novel or difficult to get 7r3s at tb in this game economy
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,281 ★★★★★
    benshb said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    Crazy idea, but instead of talking about and theorizing, go explore the content, rank the champs and see what happens. Gotta progress at some point either way. If it works you can say you're the first to do, if it doesn't then you've got 3 days to figure that out.

    I mean.... I just completed act 8 and 9.1 in 7 days, did orochi just today, I'm trying my best.😄
    Try harder! Your thumbs should have biceps by now, and you thumb's biceps should have biceps!
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,166 ★★★★★
    benshb said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
    It's been clarified in the past. You are unable to skip progressions. You have the be at the previous title in order to advance to the next.
    Has it really been? I tried searching the forums, but haven't found any mention of it.
    Edit- More research needed from me.
    Paragon needs act7 completion and 3 6r4. Valiant needs act8 completion and 2 7r3. I know the story part can't be skipped, but the ranked hero part can be. I already have 7*s, one if them is r2, and have to 6r5, while the rest of the 6*s are remaining on rank3, so I can bypass the rank requirement.
    We don't know that. With lower progressions yes but Paragon and Valiant require both.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,749 Guardian
    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
    It's been clarified in the past. You are unable to skip progressions. You have the be at the previous title in order to advance to the next.
    I know a year ago, the devs told me that it should be theoretically possible to skip progressions
    I thought someone tried it here on the forums and it didn't work. I can see skipping the lower ones but didn't think TB to Valiant is possible.
    I'd be curious to know who attempted this, because when the requirements were first announced I specifically asked what would happen if, and what I was told was the game was *supposed* to award the progress titles in order. In other words, all the progression requirements listed in the game are "or higher." In other words, if you complete the requirements for Paragon you get the Paragon title. But if you don't and you complete the requirements for Valiant you will by doing so satisfy the requirements for Paragon as well, and get both titles in order at that time.

    To put it another way, the requirements for Cavalier award Cavalier and all titles below it. The requirements for Thronebreaker award TB and all titles below that. The requirements for Paragon award Paragon and all titles below that, and the requirements for Valiant award Valiant and all titles below that.

    At least, that is how it is supposed to work. If anyone tried and failed let me know so I can report that to the ops guys at Kabam.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 13,068 Guardian
    Do you actually (normally) receive some sort of REWARDS (like crystals, etc) in game mail when you advance ?
    Or is it just that the Mail tells you the various stuff that is now “unlocked” for you ?

    I would image that if you skipped over Paragon and directly became Valiant, that any of the “requirements” for certain Selectors or Content that is based on Paragon would also be satisfied by being Valiant instead.

    However (and maybe this point is the “unknown”), I wonder if you just would NOT have the TITLE of Paragon in your Title Inventory. (*even though that may not make any difference at all with anything in the game .. other than not being able to choose it to show as your Summoner Title).
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,749 Guardian
    SummonerNR said:

    Do you actually (normally) receive some sort of REWARDS (like crystals, etc) in game mail when you advance ?
    Or is it just that the Mail tells you the various stuff that is now “unlocked” for you ?

    I would image that if you skipped over Paragon and directly became Valiant, that any of the “requirements” for certain Selectors or Content that is based on Paragon would also be satisfied by being Valiant instead.

    However (and maybe this point is the “unknown”), I wonder if you just would NOT have the TITLE of Paragon in your Title Inventory. (*even though that may not make any difference at all with anything in the game .. other than not being able to choose it to show as your Summoner Title).

    I am unaware of a reward that is explicitly triggered when a progression title is achieved. Progression titles unlock rewards, but they don’t in general directly award any.

    There are circumstances where a reward has a particular progression title as a prerequisite and gaining a progression title can then grant that reward. But I’m pretty sure all such situations are “or higher” situations.

    What I’ve been told is that if you have the Valiant title, you’re supposed to have the Paragon title as well. And in this case “supposed to” means “game is told to do that.” You could satisfy the *listed* requirements for Valiant before Paragon, but those requirements would trigger you getting Paragon if you didn’t already have it.

    Of course, MCOC being MCOC, until someone tries, we won’t know what the game actually does. But if a player ever gains the Valiant title without gaining Paragon, I can basically guarantee the devs will consider that to be a bug they would not want to let hang around for long.

    I should point out that while I do not know how progression titles are implemented, I do know that internally they are often referenced by number. Which means it is entirely possible this entire discussion is moot, because it might literally be impossible to achieve a higher title without possessing the lower ones. To wit, it is possible that when you satisfy the Valiant requirements you become “progression 9” and when you do all the things you expect to get are triggered not on the requirements, but just on you being Progression 9. The Valiant title, for example, might simply be set to award when “player progression >= 9”. In which case all the Paragon stuff, like say the title “Paragon” would trigger not on satisfying the Paragon requirements, but just on “player progression >= 8”.

    Being Progression 9 would thus trigger all the stuff that ordinarily happens when you reach progression 8, even if you never satisfy the listed requirements for progression 8.
  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    SummonerNR said:

    Do you actually (normally) receive some sort of REWARDS (like crystals, etc) in game mail when you advance ?
    Or is it just that the Mail tells you the various stuff that is now “unlocked” for you ?

    I would image that if you skipped over Paragon and directly became Valiant, that any of the “requirements” for certain Selectors or Content that is based on Paragon would also be satisfied by being Valiant instead.

    However (and maybe this point is the “unknown”), I wonder if you just would NOT have the TITLE of Paragon in your Title Inventory. (*even though that may not make any difference at all with anything in the game .. other than not being able to choose it to show as your Summoner Title).

    I am unaware of a reward that is explicitly triggered when a progression title is achieved. Progression titles unlock rewards, but they don’t in general directly award any.

    There are circumstances where a reward has a particular progression title as a prerequisite and gaining a progression title can then grant that reward. But I’m pretty sure all such situations are “or higher” situations.

    What I’ve been told is that if you have the Valiant title, you’re supposed to have the Paragon title as well. And in this case “supposed to” means “game is told to do that.” You could satisfy the *listed* requirements for Valiant before Paragon, but those requirements would trigger you getting Paragon if you didn’t already have it.

    Of course, MCOC being MCOC, until someone tries, we won’t know what the game actually does. But if a player ever gains the Valiant title without gaining Paragon, I can basically guarantee the devs will consider that to be a bug they would not want to let hang around for long.

    I should point out that while I do not know how progression titles are implemented, I do know that internally they are often referenced by number. Which means it is entirely possible this entire discussion is moot, because it might literally be impossible to achieve a higher title without possessing the lower ones. To wit, it is possible that when you satisfy the Valiant requirements you become “progression 9” and when you do all the things you expect to get are triggered not on the requirements, but just on you being Progression 9. The Valiant title, for example, might simply be set to award when “player progression >= 9”. In which case all the Paragon stuff, like say the title “Paragon” would trigger not on satisfying the Paragon requirements, but just on “player progression >= 8”.

    Being Progression 9 would thus trigger all the stuff that ordinarily happens when you reach progression 8, even if you never satisfy the listed requirements for progression 8.
    Yes, so long story short that's the question I'm looking for the answer😄 does it count as requirement for valiant (next to the act 8 completion and the 2 7r3,) that you must have paragon beforehand. Or like it won't even check for the valiant requirements because paragon hasn't been unlocked yet.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,303 ★★★★★
    benshb said:

    DNA3000 said:

    SummonerNR said:

    Do you actually (normally) receive some sort of REWARDS (like crystals, etc) in game mail when you advance ?
    Or is it just that the Mail tells you the various stuff that is now “unlocked” for you ?

    I would image that if you skipped over Paragon and directly became Valiant, that any of the “requirements” for certain Selectors or Content that is based on Paragon would also be satisfied by being Valiant instead.

    However (and maybe this point is the “unknown”), I wonder if you just would NOT have the TITLE of Paragon in your Title Inventory. (*even though that may not make any difference at all with anything in the game .. other than not being able to choose it to show as your Summoner Title).

    I am unaware of a reward that is explicitly triggered when a progression title is achieved. Progression titles unlock rewards, but they don’t in general directly award any.

    There are circumstances where a reward has a particular progression title as a prerequisite and gaining a progression title can then grant that reward. But I’m pretty sure all such situations are “or higher” situations.

    What I’ve been told is that if you have the Valiant title, you’re supposed to have the Paragon title as well. And in this case “supposed to” means “game is told to do that.” You could satisfy the *listed* requirements for Valiant before Paragon, but those requirements would trigger you getting Paragon if you didn’t already have it.

    Of course, MCOC being MCOC, until someone tries, we won’t know what the game actually does. But if a player ever gains the Valiant title without gaining Paragon, I can basically guarantee the devs will consider that to be a bug they would not want to let hang around for long.

    I should point out that while I do not know how progression titles are implemented, I do know that internally they are often referenced by number. Which means it is entirely possible this entire discussion is moot, because it might literally be impossible to achieve a higher title without possessing the lower ones. To wit, it is possible that when you satisfy the Valiant requirements you become “progression 9” and when you do all the things you expect to get are triggered not on the requirements, but just on you being Progression 9. The Valiant title, for example, might simply be set to award when “player progression >= 9”. In which case all the Paragon stuff, like say the title “Paragon” would trigger not on satisfying the Paragon requirements, but just on “player progression >= 8”.

    Being Progression 9 would thus trigger all the stuff that ordinarily happens when you reach progression 8, even if you never satisfy the listed requirements for progression 8.
    Yes, so long story short that's the question I'm looking for the answer😄 does it count as requirement for valiant (next to the act 8 completion and the 2 7r3,) that you must have paragon beforehand. Or like it won't even check for the valiant requirements because paragon hasn't been unlocked yet.
    Just do it and let us know.
    For you Getting paragon is way easier with 2 more r4s in your account. R4 mats are not even rare at this point, rather they are pretty damn frequent.


  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,166 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    benshb said:

    Gamer said:

    It not possible you won’t get valiant with it. Some tried it one discord.

    I hope they find this thread and can clarify it😄
    I really want to do it, but I also really don't want to miss out on those 7*s
    It's been clarified in the past. You are unable to skip progressions. You have the be at the previous title in order to advance to the next.
    I know a year ago, the devs told me that it should be theoretically possible to skip progressions
    I thought someone tried it here on the forums and it didn't work. I can see skipping the lower ones but didn't think TB to Valiant is possible.
    I'd be curious to know who attempted this, because when the requirements were first announced I specifically asked what would happen if, and what I was told was the game was *supposed* to award the progress titles in order. In other words, all the progression requirements listed in the game are "or higher." In other words, if you complete the requirements for Paragon you get the Paragon title. But if you don't and you complete the requirements for Valiant you will by doing so satisfy the requirements for Paragon as well, and get both titles in order at that time.

    To put it another way, the requirements for Cavalier award Cavalier and all titles below it. The requirements for Thronebreaker award TB and all titles below that. The requirements for Paragon award Paragon and all titles below that, and the requirements for Valiant award Valiant and all titles below that.

    At least, that is how it is supposed to work. If anyone tried and failed let me know so I can report that to the ops guys at Kabam.
    I think I am remembering Angryneeson52. But I think it was the wrong situation. I think he was Paragon but at a crazy low level like 45 or something and couldn't become Valiant because of catalyst space hadn't increased.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,749 Guardian
    benshb said:

    DNA3000 said:

    SummonerNR said:

    Do you actually (normally) receive some sort of REWARDS (like crystals, etc) in game mail when you advance ?
    Or is it just that the Mail tells you the various stuff that is now “unlocked” for you ?

    I would image that if you skipped over Paragon and directly became Valiant, that any of the “requirements” for certain Selectors or Content that is based on Paragon would also be satisfied by being Valiant instead.

    However (and maybe this point is the “unknown”), I wonder if you just would NOT have the TITLE of Paragon in your Title Inventory. (*even though that may not make any difference at all with anything in the game .. other than not being able to choose it to show as your Summoner Title).

    I am unaware of a reward that is explicitly triggered when a progression title is achieved. Progression titles unlock rewards, but they don’t in general directly award any.

    There are circumstances where a reward has a particular progression title as a prerequisite and gaining a progression title can then grant that reward. But I’m pretty sure all such situations are “or higher” situations.

    What I’ve been told is that if you have the Valiant title, you’re supposed to have the Paragon title as well. And in this case “supposed to” means “game is told to do that.” You could satisfy the *listed* requirements for Valiant before Paragon, but those requirements would trigger you getting Paragon if you didn’t already have it.

    Of course, MCOC being MCOC, until someone tries, we won’t know what the game actually does. But if a player ever gains the Valiant title without gaining Paragon, I can basically guarantee the devs will consider that to be a bug they would not want to let hang around for long.

    I should point out that while I do not know how progression titles are implemented, I do know that internally they are often referenced by number. Which means it is entirely possible this entire discussion is moot, because it might literally be impossible to achieve a higher title without possessing the lower ones. To wit, it is possible that when you satisfy the Valiant requirements you become “progression 9” and when you do all the things you expect to get are triggered not on the requirements, but just on you being Progression 9. The Valiant title, for example, might simply be set to award when “player progression >= 9”. In which case all the Paragon stuff, like say the title “Paragon” would trigger not on satisfying the Paragon requirements, but just on “player progression >= 8”.

    Being Progression 9 would thus trigger all the stuff that ordinarily happens when you reach progression 8, even if you never satisfy the listed requirements for progression 8.
    Yes, so long story short that's the question I'm looking for the answer😄 does it count as requirement for valiant (next to the act 8 completion and the 2 7r3,) that you must have paragon beforehand. Or like it won't even check for the valiant requirements because paragon hasn't been unlocked yet.
    The short answer is: according to the devs it does not (Paragon is not an explicit prerequisite for Valiant) but until someone tries we won’t know if the game does this correctly.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 21 ★
    I don't know if this helps but this was my situation: After completing Act 6 and becoming TB, I stopped playing Story and just focused on BGs and other content, and ended up getting two 7R3s eventually. I stayed at TB and then finally went back and completed Act 7 and became Paragon because I didn't want to miss out on the 10 for 10 event. I have to now finish Act 8 to become Valiant, that's my understanding.
  • Bigfoot33Bigfoot33 Member Posts: 203 ★★
    benshb said:

    Since the Valiant title has been introduced, I have been wondering if it's possible to skip paragon to become valiant. I'm now "kinda" close to achieving this. Only kinda, because I still have to explore 9.1 and act 8, but initial completion of the story is done.
    And I wouldn't ask this, if we wouldn't have the 10 7* drop. TB only get 6*s, and a 7* isophene, only paragon+ gets all 7*, and it would really hurt to miss out on those.

    That's why I'm here, asking @KabamDORK and @KabamCrashed if it's even possible to achieve this feat? Would it give me valiant, and just tick the box at paragon? Or would I remain TB with 2 7R3?

    Sorry for the tagging.

    In theory, this should be possible. But in code logic, you will need to hit the 3 6R4 requirement for paragon before valiant 2 7R3 requirements. Technically, you could get the 2 7R3 first, then hit the paragon mark. Then the next time you restart the game you would go from TB to valiant.

    Hell, try it and see. But I wouldn't chance it if you're wanting the 10x10 7-Stars.
  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 837 ★★★★
    TotemCorruption said:

    I don't know if this helps but this was my situation: After completing Act 6 and becoming TB, I stopped playing Story and just focused on BGs and other content, and ended up getting two 7R3s eventually. I stayed at TB and then finally went back and completed Act 7 and became Paragon because I didn't want to miss out on the 10 for 10 event. I have to now finish Act 8 to become Valiant, that's my understanding.

    How did you acquire 2 7r3 without playing the story or other contents? I don't think TB had offers for r3 materials.
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