Instead of outright plasma.. Sentinel needs to work for it just like Ironman IW.. sp1 shock, sp2 incinerate and medium or light hits will combine shock and incinerate into plasma.. maybe degen and plasma combined plasma meltdown (more damage than porker poppers).
There’s a reason nobody plays Infinity War iron man offensively it’s because that rotation of shock into incinerate for plasma is absolutely terrible, it’s 2024 not 2018, champs should apply X debuff when immune for a substitution like rupture/bleed for morbius or degen/bleed against mutants for Ultron (example) not a conversion of debuffs
Instead of outright plasma.. Sentinel needs to work for it just like Ironman IW.. sp1 shock, sp2 incinerate and medium or light hits will combine shock and incinerate into plasma.. maybe degen and plasma combined plasma meltdown (more damage than porker poppers).
There’s a reason nobody plays Infinity War iron man offensively it’s because that rotation of shock into incinerate for plasma is absolutely terrible, it’s 2024 not 2018, champs should apply X debuff when immune for a substitution like rupture/bleed for morbius or degen/bleed against mutants for Ultron (example) not a conversion of debuffs
Unfortunately, kabam did not include incinerate and/or degen in his debuffs.. I never said Ironman IW was better, just stating possible options that kabam could add in re-buff Sentinel.. for all we know, kabam can still change incinerate to plasma debuff.. Sentinel heavy will armor shatter, as well as lowers their energy resistance by certain % each time they get hit.
Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.
Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?
this is probably the best message to takeaway from this thread.
dll has implied going against the standard class identity when brainstorming champ designs and it makes sense.
it pains me that sentinel won't work against a lot mutants but do we really need to ruin the defensive value of most of them with one champ? that's bad design. champs like nimrod hurt the game more than help.
Of course DLL would say that, he thinks turning off masteries is good champ design.
But regardless, I disagree with your supposed takeaway, because Sentinel keeping incinerates tips him toward being too weak. His inability to counter the most common mutants means he will sit on the bench in BGs and most other important content too. Why bring him when other techs are more versatile? What's the point of buffing him if he won't be any more helpful?
what's better for the game? buffing a champ to be good overall (like he is now) or making him better in non-mutant matchups (giving him plasma/degen whatever) and then destroying the value of the entire mutant class?
i get the need to have class identity, but maybe not at the cost having an entire set of current and future champs made worthless.
Having a champion who counters literally every opponent who they've got class advantage against doesn't make the game better - it makes for more limited choices.
Do we really want all mutants to have zero defensive value, if the opponent has a Sentinel?
this is probably the best message to takeaway from this thread.
dll has implied going against the standard class identity when brainstorming champ designs and it makes sense.
it pains me that sentinel won't work against a lot mutants but do we really need to ruin the defensive value of most of them with one champ? that's bad design. champs like nimrod hurt the game more than help.
Of course DLL would say that, he thinks turning off masteries is good champ design.
But regardless, I disagree with your supposed takeaway, because Sentinel keeping incinerates tips him toward being too weak. His inability to counter the most common mutants means he will sit on the bench in BGs and most other important content too. Why bring him when other techs are more versatile? What's the point of buffing him if he won't be any more helpful?
what's better for the game? buffing a champ to be good overall (like he is now) or making him better in non-mutant matchups (giving him plasma/degen whatever) and then destroying the value of the entire mutant class?
i get the need to have class identity, but maybe not at the cost having an entire set of current and future champs made worthless.
I think this is a good point and it highlights the fact that , aside from Dust, all of the problem mutant defenders have very uniform kits. Bishop, Havok, Onslaught all cut from the same cloth.
I was gonna come in here and be like “what should it have been replaced with” except that the answer is plasma. Maybe like a “after max analysis is achieved, sp2 applies plasma”
This is a great idea. Especially, since he ramps much faster now. Omega Sentinel had that, why wouldn't Sentinel?
I thought the same thing actually. Sentinel even though being Mutant Hunting Killing Machine... won't be able to counter most of the worst and most annoyoing defenders in Mutant Class actually. Don't get me wrong, he's looking great, but...it seems like Sentinel won't be able to counter some really annoyoing Mutants:
- Bishop: Incinerate/Shock him = you'll take some serious damage
- Dust: Shock Immunity + no Glancing counter like Steady, so his ramp up will be slower, cause he have to hit her Block and we all know how does this will end up like...
- Onslaught: Shock/Incinerate Resitance and that's Sentinel's main dmg source...plus there's no Reverse Control Immunity or ability to block Unblockable attack/Specials from Mutants
- Storm X: Even though she's not like defensive threat on Onslaught or Bishop's level, but she does still can be an problem sometimes. She does benefits from Shock Immunity + Sent has no Glancing and Unblockable Counter
- Nightcrawler: No Evade Counter so get ready to get clipped
- Domino: No Evade Counter aswell + Sent is not AAR (Ability Accuracy Reduction) Immune
In my opinion, Sent should benefit from Jack's treatment: - Against Mutants, he should inflict Plasmas instead - Give him access to Steady so Glancing counter - Ability to block Unblockable attack from Mutants - Immunities to Incinerate, Reverse Controls and AAR - Access to True Accuracy
Sentinel is a value buff like that of Angela and not a full rework. So it makes sense how he works
But it's not just a value buff. They gave him a completely new L3. His analysis charges generate new attack and other benefits. He has a brand new signature ability. It would not have been hard to alter his incinerate to a debuff that actually works against the most common mutants champs.
I’ve been thinking about this since the thread came up and I agree, it seems like a missed opportunity.
It seems like it would have been a good chance to add a little lore and say Sentinel has spent the last few years analyzing the mutants of the contest and has made upgrades based on its analysis. Use that story to make him a useful mutant killer. I don’t think making his incinerates into plasmas is going to negate the whole mutant class but it will make him more useful for his lore based targets. I don’t know if this buff will make me use him at all in offense but he’s going to be an even more annoying defender with the armor break immunity. He was already tanky before the buff. Buffing a characters who’s whole existence centers around killing mutants and not giving him the specific mutant countering kit details they gave to Jack but giving him a specific counter to cosmics (armor break immunity) all seems out of place.
Time will tell once we get to play around with him but it I’d love to hear from the game team on why they went the way they did and why they didn’t go the way some folks are suggesting in this thread. That would be an extremely interesting livestream session.
All they need to do is give Sentenil a pre-fight ability to apply, shock, incinerate or degen. This would solve the problem against all mutants. This might make Sentinel a real Mutant Killer as he was program to be.
Sentinel is a value buff like that of Angela and not a full rework. So it makes sense how he works
But it's not just a value buff. They gave him a completely new L3. His analysis charges generate new attack and other benefits. He has a brand new signature ability. It would not have been hard to alter his incinerate to a debuff that actually works against the most common mutants champs.
The l3 is almost identical in terms of its concept it's just stronger. This is the definition of a value buff in the modern sense of the term
All they need to do is give Sentenil a pre-fight ability to apply, shock, incinerate or degen. This would solve the problem against all mutants. This might make Sentinel a real Mutant Killer as he was program to be.
It would also make him arguably too strong for the kind of buff he has
It's weird that since Serpent release, we have got Purgatory buff, Spiral and now Isophyne to counter him, and for Onslaught we got Jack, for Enchantress we got Luke Cage buff, for Bullseye we got Sinister buff and NTW, for Photon we got Patriot (kinda). But for Dust we have not a single reliable counter, no glance counter, no constant incinerate, no sandstorm immune or resistance, Sentinel could've been something close to that
It's weird that since Serpent release, we have got Purgatory buff, Spiral and now Isophyne to counter him, and for Onslaught we got Jack, for Enchantress we got Luke Cage buff, for Bullseye we got Sinister buff and NTW, for Photon we got Patriot (kinda). But for Dust we have not a single reliable counter, no glance counter, no constant incinerate, no sandstorm immune or resistance, Sentinel could've been something close to that
Because dust is not in par with other defenders. Any champ who can inflict lot of incenerates can destroy her, we actually have few meta ones like sunspot and human torch, and she was released along with ironheart who's a great counter. Negasonic is a reliable counter as well.
Prowler and jack have abilities to counter her as well.
Sentinel is a value buff like that of Angela and not a full rework. So it makes sense how he works
But it's not just a value buff. They gave him a completely new L3. His analysis charges generate new attack and other benefits. He has a brand new signature ability. It would not have been hard to alter his incinerate to a debuff that actually works against the most common mutants champs.
It is the same sp3. But now instead of two sp3s and 30%(?) missing health, it is 1 sp3 and 100% health.
Angela was a value buff but she got new abilities as well.
Also I think a missed opportunity on sentinel buff is, his anal charges only increase the armor rating and crit resistance, I wish it increases the energy resistance as well.
In my opinion, Sent should benefit from Jack's treatment: - Against Mutants, he should inflict Plasmas instead - Give him access to Steady so Glancing counter - Ability to block Unblockable attack from Mutants - Immunities to Incinerate, Reverse Controls and AAR - Access to True Accuracy
Okay.... Except now: (1) No mutant has any defence against Sentinel (which does not reflect their ability to go toe-to-toe, in canon) and (2) If you've got Sentinel, you don't need any other Tech champion to defeat any Mutant
That doesn't sound a little unbalanced, to you?
I mean seriously...
Do people not remember the fact it took Kabam something like three years to develop Mystic defenders who didn't defend like tissue paper against Human Torch?
As a perspective from a huge X-Men fan: Sentinel isn't supposed to be the definitive, Unstoppable killing machine. That's Nimrod.
Sentinels were dangerous partly because of the totalitarian regime they represented; but because they were great big tireless machines that came in numbers; and didn't rest or sleep; and even if you defeated one, more came behind them
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Mutants regularly defeated individual sentinels - they just couldn't defeat the sentinel regime.
As a perspective from a huge X-Men fan: Sentinel isn't supposed to be the definitive, Unstoppable killing machine. That's Nimrod.
Sentinels were dangerous partly because of the totalitarian regime they represented; but because they were great big tireless machines that came in numbers; and didn't rest or sleep; and even if you defeated one, more came behind them
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Mutants regularly defeated individual sentinels - they just couldn't defeat the sentinel regime.
Yes even in the X-Men cartoon they were able to take down individual Sentinels without problems
Also I think a missed opportunity on sentinel buff is, his anal charges only increase the armor rating and crit resistance, I wish it increases the energy resistance as well.
In my opinion, Sent should benefit from Jack's treatment: - Against Mutants, he should inflict Plasmas instead - Give him access to Steady so Glancing counter - Ability to block Unblockable attack from Mutants - Immunities to Incinerate, Reverse Controls and AAR - Access to True Accuracy
Okay.... Except now: (1) No mutant has any defence against Sentinel (which does not reflect their ability to go toe-to-toe, in canon) and (2) If you've got Sentinel, you don't need any other Tech champion to defeat any Mutant
That doesn't sound a little unbalanced, to you?
I mean seriously...
Do people not remember the fact it took Kabam something like three years to develop Mystic defenders who didn't defend like tissue paper against Human Torch?
Actually...as you put it like that...yeah, that makes sense. Especially, that Sentinel is kind of the lowest in "Sentinel Food Chain", cause I believe Omega-Sentinel, Nimrod and then Bastion are DEFINETELY ABOVE (not sure where OS stands, is it before or after Nimrod), but yeah. After some thinking, I do agree with your statement 🤝
If plasma is added Sentinel will become crazy overpowered good. Better to not have it.
Finally, after long pathetic decisions by Kabam, Playerbase is now conditioned to accept watered down heroes.
Well played Kabam ✌️
You're getting the point or not? If sentinel gets plasma, then the next few mutant defenders will get plasma immunity, and it will create a cycle of interactions lol.
Calling it now, sentinal will fall flat and lost in forgotten lands, just like Beta ray bill got,
Kabam's too scared to rework champs and make them perform like juggernaut and hulk.
And call it conspiracy theory or whatever but the reason Kabam is introducing so many heroes focused on "end game cOntent" is because next Everest content will never some sort of Anti-Aegon thing going on, playerbase will lose its mind and Kabam will have a good laugh and will say,
"Lol lol, recently we have released heroes like Enchantress, Northstar 🤮 and also have reworked Sentry, try them." 💯
Calling it now, sentinal will fall flat and lost in forgotten lands, just like Beta ray bill got,
Kabam's too scared to rework champs and make them perform like juggernaut and hulk.
And call it conspiracy theory or whatever but the reason Kabam is introducing so many heroes focused on "end game cOntent" is because next Everest content will never some sort of Anti-Aegon thing going on, playerbase will lose its mind and Kabam will have a good laugh and will say,
"Lol lol, recently we have released heroes like Enchantress, Northstar 🤮 and also have reworked Sentry, try them." 💯
BRB is still good though, obviously not as good as when he was first released but still good.
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I never said Ironman IW was better, just stating possible options that kabam could add in re-buff Sentinel.. for all we know, kabam can still change incinerate to plasma debuff.. Sentinel heavy will armor shatter, as well as lowers their energy resistance by certain % each time they get hit.
i get the need to have class identity, but maybe not at the cost having an entire set of current and future champs made worthless.
- Bishop: Incinerate/Shock him = you'll take some serious damage
- Dust: Shock Immunity + no Glancing counter like Steady, so his ramp up will be slower, cause he have to hit her Block and we all know how does this will end up like...
- Onslaught: Shock/Incinerate Resitance and that's Sentinel's main dmg source...plus there's no Reverse Control Immunity or ability to block Unblockable attack/Specials from Mutants
- Storm X: Even though she's not like defensive threat on Onslaught or Bishop's level, but she does still can be an problem sometimes. She does benefits from Shock Immunity + Sent has no Glancing and Unblockable Counter
- Nightcrawler: No Evade Counter so get ready to get clipped
- Domino: No Evade Counter aswell + Sent is not AAR (Ability Accuracy Reduction) Immune
In my opinion, Sent should benefit from Jack's treatment:
- Against Mutants, he should inflict Plasmas instead
- Give him access to Steady so Glancing counter
- Ability to block Unblockable attack from Mutants
- Immunities to Incinerate, Reverse Controls and AAR
- Access to True Accuracy
It seems like it would have been a good chance to add a little lore and say Sentinel has spent the last few years analyzing the mutants of the contest and has made upgrades based on its analysis. Use that story to make him a useful mutant killer. I don’t think making his incinerates into plasmas is going to negate the whole mutant class but it will make him more useful for his lore based targets. I don’t know if this buff will make me use him at all in offense but he’s going to be an even more annoying defender with the armor break immunity. He was already tanky before the buff. Buffing a characters who’s whole existence centers around killing mutants and not giving him the specific mutant countering kit details they gave to Jack but giving him a specific counter to cosmics (armor break immunity) all seems out of place.
Time will tell once we get to play around with him but it I’d love to hear from the game team on why they went the way they did and why they didn’t go the way some folks are suggesting in this thread. That would be an extremely interesting livestream session.
But a cold ruthless merciless mutant killing machine from future cry when facing ACTUAL mutants 😭
Prowler and jack have abilities to counter her as well.
Angela was a value buff but she got new abilities as well.
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(2) If you've got Sentinel, you don't need any other Tech champion to defeat any Mutant
That doesn't sound a little unbalanced, to you?
I mean seriously...
Do people not remember the fact it took Kabam something like three years to develop Mystic defenders who didn't defend like tissue paper against Human Torch?
Sentinels were dangerous partly because of the totalitarian regime they represented; but because they were great big tireless machines that came in numbers; and didn't rest or sleep; and even if you defeated one, more came behind them
"" />
Mutants regularly defeated individual sentinels - they just couldn't defeat the sentinel regime.
Well played Kabam ✌️
Kabam's too scared to rework champs and make them perform like juggernaut and hulk.
And call it conspiracy theory or whatever but the reason Kabam is introducing so many heroes focused on "end game cOntent" is because next Everest content will never some sort of Anti-Aegon thing going on, playerbase will lose its mind and Kabam will have a good laugh and will say,
"Lol lol, recently we have released heroes like Enchantress, Northstar 🤮 and also have reworked Sentry, try them." 💯