I refunded the $30 10,000 unit bundle and now I have negative 10000

TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12
I never even received a unit from purchasing it…. So why am I being punished. I sent a support ticket but KABAM has yet to respond. This has ruined the upcoming event for me I had about 1000 units saved and was planning on buying bundles here and there, but now I can’t even participate
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  • MiStaloOvaMiStaloOva Member Posts: 84
    Its for reach lvl 60-70
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12
    Refund through kabam? How? I sent that support ticket 4 days ago almost.
  • MiStaloOvaMiStaloOva Member Posts: 84

    Its for reach lvl 60-70

    Ekhm.🙌😇
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12
    edited December 15

    So am I just screwed until I level up? I truly didn’t know how any of this worked

    You bought something you didn't read and understand. This is your fault.

    You refunded through your app store- don't do this because app stores can't remove items purchased. So now you still have what you bought because it wasn't removed.

    Kabam put contest credits on your account because you refunded incorrectly. Pay the $30 to restore your account to normal.
    Ok here’s the issue I agree with everything you’re saying but I can’t repurchase that bundle. I looked up the red units thing when it got put into my account and it says I can purchase the case of credits to fix my account. It’s says the sum total of the case of credits deals is needed to cover the units. That’s a total of $80 because there are two offers available a $30 one and a $50.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,224 ★★★★★

    So am I just screwed until I level up? I truly didn’t know how any of this worked

    You bought something you didn't read and understand. This is your fault.

    You refunded through your app store- don't do this because app stores can't remove items purchased. So now you still have what you bought because it wasn't removed.

    Kabam put contest credits on your account because you refunded incorrectly. Pay the $30 to restore your account to normal.
    Ok here’s the issue I agree with everything you’re saying but I can’t repurchase that bundle. I looked up the red units thing when it got put into my account and it says I can purchase the case of credits to fix my account. It’s says the sum total of the case of credits deals is needed to cover the units. That’s a total of $70
    Then you'll need to pay $70. You can't buy anything for your account until the credits are gone. It might be $70 as a penalty for incorrectly refunding the purchase.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 13,157 Guardian
    edited December 15
    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,625 ★★★★

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
    Lesson learned
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12
    edited December 15
    DNA3000 said:

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
    Well. So you understand the situation that’s being explained to you, here’s what’s going on.

    You bought the unit bundle. That bundle clearly states what it does. You seem confused about what it does because you didn’t read its description, like at all. You just thought 10,000 units would magically appear in your account after spending $30, and when that didn’t happen you decided to get your money back. But you didn’t ask Kabam to refund your purchase, you asked the app stores to do it. But the app stores didn’t sell you anything. They were just the middleman. So when you asked for a refund, they just gave you your money back and took the money back from Kabam. Period. No appeal, no questions asked. Kabam has no way to judge if the refund is warranted or not.

    People abuse this all the time. People say if you don’t like the results of your crystals, or you change your mind about what the bundle contains, or if you just don’t like what the company did last week, you can just ask for all your money back from the app stores, because they always give you your money back and there’s nothing Kabam can do about it.

    So Kabam eventually decided to do something about it. If you ask the app stores for refunds instead of going through Kabam itself, when the app stores take money out of their pockets, they take it out of your account in the form of contest credits. Until you clear that credit, you aren’t allowed to buy anything with cash or units. Because you took money out of their pockets without even talking to them.

    Now, perhaps you didn’t know any of these things. Well, now you know. That’s life. A whole bunch of people decided to poison the well. Kabam is not going to cut you the slack they decided to burn. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who abused the system. Blame the people who continue to advocate abusing the system even now.
    I don’t know why everybody is assuming i didn’t read the offer. I didn’t think I would immediately be granted 10,000 units just for purchasing this isn’t the first time I bought an offer like this. My only assumption was that I would receive the rewards for anything before level 60. It’s frustrating to me because I had no idea I was supposed to go through kabam. As far as I know there isn’t a prompt in game telling me otherwise. This is my second time ever in 10 years of playing mcoc that I’ve used forums to get an understanding of things.
  • Cap_MuricaCap_Murica Member Posts: 406 ★★★
    edited December 15

    DNA3000 said:

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
    Well. So you understand the situation that’s being explained to you, here’s what’s going on.

    You bought the unit bundle. That bundle clearly states what it does. You seem confused about what it does because you didn’t read its description, like at all. You just thought 10,000 units would magically appear in your account after spending $30, and when that didn’t happen you decided to get your money back. But you didn’t ask Kabam to refund your purchase, you asked the app stores to do it. But the app stores didn’t sell you anything. They were just the middleman. So when you asked for a refund, they just gave you your money back and took the money back from Kabam. Period. No appeal, no questions asked. Kabam has no way to judge if the refund is warranted or not.

    People abuse this all the time. People say if you don’t like the results of your crystals, or you change your mind about what the bundle contains, or if you just don’t like what the company did last week, you can just ask for all your money back from the app stores, because they always give you your money back and there’s nothing Kabam can do about it.

    So Kabam eventually decided to do something about it. If you ask the app stores for refunds instead of going through Kabam itself, when the app stores take money out of their pockets, they take it out of your account in the form of contest credits. Until you clear that credit, you aren’t allowed to buy anything with cash or units. Because you took money out of their pockets without even talking to them.

    Now, perhaps you didn’t know any of these things. Well, now you know. That’s life. A whole bunch of people decided to poison the well. Kabam is not going to cut you the slack they decided to burn. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who abused the system. Blame the people who continue to advocate abusing the system even now.
    I don’t know why everybody is assuming i didn’t read the offer. I didn’t think I would immediately be granted 10,000 units just for purchasing this isn’t the first time I bought an offer like this. My only assumption was that I would receive the rewards for anything before level 60. It’s frustrating to me because I had no idea I was supposed to go through kabam. As far as I know there isn’t a prompt in game telling me otherwise. This is my second time ever in 10 years of playing mcoc that I’ve used forums to get an understanding of things.
    If you did read the offer as you said, nowhere does it mention or show that you'll get units prior to level 60. The offer clearly spells out how many units are given out at each level after 60 only!!!

  • Giantwalrus56Giantwalrus56 Member Posts: 1,059 ★★★★

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth

    Might I recommend understanding what you're purchasing prior to making that purchase & possibly a piece of gum?
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12

    DNA3000 said:

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
    Well. So you understand the situation that’s being explained to you, here’s what’s going on.

    You bought the unit bundle. That bundle clearly states what it does. You seem confused about what it does because you didn’t read its description, like at all. You just thought 10,000 units would magically appear in your account after spending $30, and when that didn’t happen you decided to get your money back. But you didn’t ask Kabam to refund your purchase, you asked the app stores to do it. But the app stores didn’t sell you anything. They were just the middleman. So when you asked for a refund, they just gave you your money back and took the money back from Kabam. Period. No appeal, no questions asked. Kabam has no way to judge if the refund is warranted or not.

    People abuse this all the time. People say if you don’t like the results of your crystals, or you change your mind about what the bundle contains, or if you just don’t like what the company did last week, you can just ask for all your money back from the app stores, because they always give you your money back and there’s nothing Kabam can do about it.

    So Kabam eventually decided to do something about it. If you ask the app stores for refunds instead of going through Kabam itself, when the app stores take money out of their pockets, they take it out of your account in the form of contest credits. Until you clear that credit, you aren’t allowed to buy anything with cash or units. Because you took money out of their pockets without even talking to them.

    Now, perhaps you didn’t know any of these things. Well, now you know. That’s life. A whole bunch of people decided to poison the well. Kabam is not going to cut you the slack they decided to burn. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who abused the system. Blame the people who continue to advocate abusing the system even now.
    I don’t know why everybody is assuming i didn’t read the offer. I didn’t think I would immediately be granted 10,000 units just for purchasing this isn’t the first time I bought an offer like this. My only assumption was that I would receive the rewards for anything before level 60. It’s frustrating to me because I had no idea I was supposed to go through kabam. As far as I know there isn’t a prompt in game telling me otherwise. This is my second time ever in 10 years of playing mcoc that I’ve used forums to get an understanding of things.
    Why would you assume you get units for previous levels when it clearly tells you how many units you get and each level, starting at 61?

    This is why people don’t think you read or understood what you were purchasing.
    Like I said the assumption(literally all on me) comes from purchasing bundles akin to something like this in other games. Like I said it’s on me but my main issue is the refund process. I legitimately didn’t know I had to refund through kabam. If I’d did I wouldn’t be here right now
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12
    edited December 15

    DNA3000 said:

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
    Well. So you understand the situation that’s being explained to you, here’s what’s going on.

    You bought the unit bundle. That bundle clearly states what it does. You seem confused about what it does because you didn’t read its description, like at all. You just thought 10,000 units would magically appear in your account after spending $30, and when that didn’t happen you decided to get your money back. But you didn’t ask Kabam to refund your purchase, you asked the app stores to do it. But the app stores didn’t sell you anything. They were just the middleman. So when you asked for a refund, they just gave you your money back and took the money back from Kabam. Period. No appeal, no questions asked. Kabam has no way to judge if the refund is warranted or not.

    People abuse this all the time. People say if you don’t like the results of your crystals, or you change your mind about what the bundle contains, or if you just don’t like what the company did last week, you can just ask for all your money back from the app stores, because they always give you your money back and there’s nothing Kabam can do about it.

    So Kabam eventually decided to do something about it. If you ask the app stores for refunds instead of going through Kabam itself, when the app stores take money out of their pockets, they take it out of your account in the form of contest credits. Until you clear that credit, you aren’t allowed to buy anything with cash or units. Because you took money out of their pockets without even talking to them.

    Now, perhaps you didn’t know any of these things. Well, now you know. That’s life. A whole bunch of people decided to poison the well. Kabam is not going to cut you the slack they decided to burn. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who abused the system. Blame the people who continue to advocate abusing the system even now.
    I don’t know why everybody is assuming i didn’t read the offer. I didn’t think I would immediately be granted 10,000 units just for purchasing this isn’t the first time I bought an offer like this. My only assumption was that I would receive the rewards for anything before level 60. It’s frustrating to me because I had no idea I was supposed to go through kabam. As far as I know there isn’t a prompt in game telling me otherwise. This is my second time ever in 10 years of playing mcoc that I’ve used forums to get an understanding of things.
    The fact that you think you'd get something for levels before 60 proves you didn't read the offer. It literally displays what each level achieved gives you. 60 to 61 was 900 units.... And that's the first level.
    Like I said that folly was on me but having to pay $50 more dollars because I didn’t know that I can refund through kabam is why I’m saying it leaves a bad taste
  • Joker1976Joker1976 Member Posts: 744 ★★★
    edited December 15
    First indicator should have been the 10k units for such a low dollar cost.
    Over 3 Odins worth of units at that,..so obviously there’s gotta be a catch.
    Catch is a hell of a lot of grinding and well over a year to see your return,..that’s why when i read the details i didn’t buy the deal.
    …going into negative units just made that deal worse for you 😔
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12
    Joker1976 said:

    First indicator should have been the 10k units for such a low dollar cost.
    Over 3 Odins worth of units at that,..so obviously there’s gotta be a catch.
    Catch is a hell of a lot of grinding and well over a year to see your return,..that’s why when i read the details i didn’t buy the deal.
    …going into negative units just made that deal worse for you 😔

    Yep
  • TossedXfactorTossedXfactor Member Posts: 12
    I’ll probably just pay the “$50 fine” so I can participate in the upcoming event but I have two questions 1.Can someone tell me where I got to refund things in case I want to refund things in the future? 2. How long does it take for kabam to usually respond to support tickets?(yes I see that they’re having a struggle with response times on there website due to hunters market)
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,408 ★★★★★

    I’ll probably just pay the “$50 fine” so I can participate in the upcoming event but I have two questions 1.Can someone tell me where I got to refund things in case I want to refund things in the future? 2. How long does it take for kabam to usually respond to support tickets?(yes I see that they’re having a struggle with response times on there website due to hunters market)

    You just have to send in a ticket to support. Usually takes no longer than a couple days.
  • ControversyControversy Member Posts: 45

    DNA3000 said:

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
    Well. So you understand the situation that’s being explained to you, here’s what’s going on.

    You bought the unit bundle. That bundle clearly states what it does. You seem confused about what it does because you didn’t read its description, like at all. You just thought 10,000 units would magically appear in your account after spending $30, and when that didn’t happen you decided to get your money back. But you didn’t ask Kabam to refund your purchase, you asked the app stores to do it. But the app stores didn’t sell you anything. They were just the middleman. So when you asked for a refund, they just gave you your money back and took the money back from Kabam. Period. No appeal, no questions asked. Kabam has no way to judge if the refund is warranted or not.

    People abuse this all the time. People say if you don’t like the results of your crystals, or you change your mind about what the bundle contains, or if you just don’t like what the company did last week, you can just ask for all your money back from the app stores, because they always give you your money back and there’s nothing Kabam can do about it.

    So Kabam eventually decided to do something about it. If you ask the app stores for refunds instead of going through Kabam itself, when the app stores take money out of their pockets, they take it out of your account in the form of contest credits. Until you clear that credit, you aren’t allowed to buy anything with cash or units. Because you took money out of their pockets without even talking to them.

    Now, perhaps you didn’t know any of these things. Well, now you know. That’s life. A whole bunch of people decided to poison the well. Kabam is not going to cut you the slack they decided to burn. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who abused the system. Blame the people who continue to advocate abusing the system even now.
    I don’t know why everybody is assuming i didn’t read the offer. I didn’t think I would immediately be granted 10,000 units just for purchasing this isn’t the first time I bought an offer like this. My only assumption was that I would receive the rewards for anything before level 60. It’s frustrating to me because I had no idea I was supposed to go through kabam. As far as I know there isn’t a prompt in game telling me otherwise. This is my second time ever in 10 years of playing mcoc that I’ve used forums to get an understanding of things.
    I suggest just trying to contact kabams support and try to see if they can unattached the bundle from your account. I understand that kabam has dealt with scammers that way but atleast reaching out can help shed some light on the situation even if it means, worst case senerio your stuck with the negative value until you level up which yea I feel for you. Hopefully this experience doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth for mcoc in general cuz i known some friends who weren't aware of having to refund directly to kabam and just quit entirely cuz they were at their wits end. Which let's face it this game can be really frustrating at time, no matter how good you claim to be. And sorry about all those negative comments most of them just come from players who have been spending for years and just excpets everyone to know every little thing about a mobile game that's meant to past the time
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 13,157 Guardian
    edited December 15
    (a) Refund. Thru the way you had already done (even though you hadn’t got a response by that time). A Support Ticket.

    (b) I wonder if the Negative Credits cost is based on more that just the actual money amount purchased/refunded ? Wonder if they base it on the UNITS that are included, at the Normal cost basis for such amount of units. (instead of accounting for that there may be a Discount or Bonus in the original offer).

    (c) I wouldn’t be too harsh with people who may not have understood just HOW LONG it might be before you would eventually be able to get these Units.
    For Monthly Subscriptions and such, you'd get them over the coarse of a month.
    And even if you see “as you progress to new Levels”, well for below 60 that comes fairly quickly.
    To be fair, the last half of this (65 to 70) isn’t even anything that is in the game at present.

    If the offer had specifically said the “Earliest that you could possibly reach (each stated level) is …”, that would have made things much more clear, when deciding to purchase or not.
  • Mikes_momMikes_mom Member Posts: 178

    I’ll probably just pay the “$50 fine” so I can participate in the upcoming event but I have two questions 1.Can someone tell me where I got to refund things in case I want to refund things in the future? 2. How long does it take for kabam to usually respond to support tickets?(yes I see that they’re having a struggle with response times on there website due to hunters market)

    https://help.kabamsupport.com/
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,224 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    So that should roughly be the amount of that initial purchase that you had refunded. Plus maybe some extra to cover Apple/Google's cut that they take from purchases (that Kabam doesn’t get).

    Then you’ll be “even” with Kabam, and you can start using and earning Units again.

    That original purchase will still be active (although, yes, if that is the 10,000 Unit's over Levels 61-70 offer, it will take up to 2 years to reach all of those levels)

    This really puts a bad taste in my mouth
    Well. So you understand the situation that’s being explained to you, here’s what’s going on.

    You bought the unit bundle. That bundle clearly states what it does. You seem confused about what it does because you didn’t read its description, like at all. You just thought 10,000 units would magically appear in your account after spending $30, and when that didn’t happen you decided to get your money back. But you didn’t ask Kabam to refund your purchase, you asked the app stores to do it. But the app stores didn’t sell you anything. They were just the middleman. So when you asked for a refund, they just gave you your money back and took the money back from Kabam. Period. No appeal, no questions asked. Kabam has no way to judge if the refund is warranted or not.

    People abuse this all the time. People say if you don’t like the results of your crystals, or you change your mind about what the bundle contains, or if you just don’t like what the company did last week, you can just ask for all your money back from the app stores, because they always give you your money back and there’s nothing Kabam can do about it.

    So Kabam eventually decided to do something about it. If you ask the app stores for refunds instead of going through Kabam itself, when the app stores take money out of their pockets, they take it out of your account in the form of contest credits. Until you clear that credit, you aren’t allowed to buy anything with cash or units. Because you took money out of their pockets without even talking to them.

    Now, perhaps you didn’t know any of these things. Well, now you know. That’s life. A whole bunch of people decided to poison the well. Kabam is not going to cut you the slack they decided to burn. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who abused the system. Blame the people who continue to advocate abusing the system even now.
    I don’t know why everybody is assuming i didn’t read the offer. I didn’t think I would immediately be granted 10,000 units just for purchasing this isn’t the first time I bought an offer like this. My only assumption was that I would receive the rewards for anything before level 60. It’s frustrating to me because I had no idea I was supposed to go through kabam. As far as I know there isn’t a prompt in game telling me otherwise. This is my second time ever in 10 years of playing mcoc that I’ve used forums to get an understanding of things.
    The fact that you think you'd get something for levels before 60 proves you didn't read the offer. It literally displays what each level achieved gives you. 60 to 61 was 900 units.... And that's the first level.
    Like I said that folly was on me but having to pay $50 more dollars because I didn’t know that I can refund through kabam is why I’m saying it leaves a bad taste
    That's generally how consequences feel. If they didn't make you feel that way then they would be ineffective.

    We call this "Lesson Learned".
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