We need to address the Banquet Crystal token point reduction

Normax_XNormax_X Member Posts: 584 ★★★★
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.

However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.

Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.

They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.

Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
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  • Normax_XNormax_X Member Posts: 584 ★★★★

    I don’t know if I’m the only one but I expected this much because it’s always been that way. When purchasing a gbc with units it awards more points then opening one for example reaching a gbc milestone and opening it, which has been an on going thing for a long time. You exchange the token for a gbc which isn’t the same as purchasing and opening one. So I was fully excepting this outcome, soz bud shoulda saved more units :blush:

    "shouldv'e saved more units" I have 21k I'm not arguing for myself it does not affect me whatsoever. I am arguing for the people that had the 400 points in mind and its about the principle. And no claiming a milestone is different. When someone explicitly states that something does X but not Y, it means theres a reasonable chance that people would assume one or the other, meaning there has to be a clear explanation prior to any people spending.
  • Normax_XNormax_X Member Posts: 584 ★★★★

    Was it originally stated that the raffle ticket banquet crystals would count as buying and opening an SBC?

    Don't we usually only get the points for buying SBC with units?

    Also, has it been confirmed that token SBCs will not give 400 points?

    Yes, as some ccp members have said they didn't like this *change* and they didn't agree. You are still purchasing one for tokens.
  • Atta_MasterAtta_Master Member Posts: 44

    I don’t know if I’m the only one but I expected this much because it’s always been that way. When purchasing a gbc with units it awards more points then opening one for example reaching a gbc milestone and opening it, which has been an on going thing for a long time. You exchange the token for a gbc which isn’t the same as purchasing and opening one. So I was fully excepting this outcome, soz bud shoulda saved more units :blush:

    Bro u r also literally just trading units for SBC in that sense....it's just a difference of wording....it would have been different case if it was like trade 2 GBC for 1 SBC...but exchanging a token can also be said as buying the SBC with the token....shoulda saved more units doesn't cut it that's not the issue at all here
  • Atta_MasterAtta_Master Member Posts: 44
    dr2ws said:

    If they had stated beforehand you won’t get the full amount of points you’d normally get we would be cool with it, I think it’s all been a bit of a mess really and I would’ve expected a bit more than 100 points, especially to those who paid real money to get those extra tickets, feels like a shot in the foot really.

    Exactly this....to those who got it ny sending real money it is a shot in the foot
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  • VoidnullVoidnull Member Posts: 13
    I think it's done for limite how many point players get form token as 10 token will give 10 gbc now it only give one sbc which gives only 100 points instead of 800
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 817 ★★★
    Did there used to be GBC in money deals? Did those give the same points as purchasing with units?
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,311 ★★★★★

    Did there used to be GBC in money deals? Did those give the same points as purchasing with units?

    I think during x-mas. There's always the 10 for $50 deal that pops up. But even then, you are actually purchasing them.

    Technically, you aren't purchasing SBCs with tokens since the tokens are just placeholders. They can't give us the crystals early since they aren't available until tomorrow. Those will be like the ones we get from milestones.

    I can see a case for the tokens earned from purchases like daily offers. But since you are buying tokens and trading for a crystal, there's no way to transfer that "value" of which token was traded.

    Essentially they would need 2 versions of the gifting crystals.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,995 Guardian
    Here's the hard truth OP. Kabam could 100% make the tokens give us more points; however, they would just crank up the points needed for each milestone so we would still have to spend 15k units, and people who didn't get as many tickets now have to spend an extra 300 units per 10 tickets they missed, instead of needing to spend 300 units per 40 tickets they missed. Understanding that, it is better for the playerbase as a whole that the tokens only give us 100 points.
  • Normax_XNormax_X Member Posts: 584 ★★★★
    FishSkin said:

    Normax_X said:

    I don’t know if I’m the only one but I expected this much because it’s always been that way. When purchasing a gbc with units it awards more points then opening one for example reaching a gbc milestone and opening it, which has been an on going thing for a long time. You exchange the token for a gbc which isn’t the same as purchasing and opening one. So I was fully excepting this outcome, soz bud shoulda saved more units :blush:

    "shouldv'e saved more units" I have 21k I'm not arguing for myself it does not affect me whatsoever. I am arguing for the people that had the 400 points in mind and its about the principle. And no claiming a milestone is different. When someone explicitly states that something does X but not Y, it means theres a reasonable chance that people would assume one or the other, meaning there has to be a clear explanation prior to any people spending.
    So if you aren't arguing for yourself, and it doesn't affect you whatsoever - rather than stepping in for others, who probably haven't asked you to do so - why don't you come and join those of us that are excited for the event, and start spreading some peace and love with us over this festive season?

    Also, for someone not being affected whatsoever, "unethical business practices" and "scam" are strong terms.
    "start spreading peace and love" like im burning the place down😭 half the discord was arguing on the same issue yesterday in the official mcoc discord. And yeah if im not being affected doesnt mean theres not something wrong that happened, but that tells me enough about you lmao forget the ones who r affected and go have fun with the ones that dont care
  • Normax_XNormax_X Member Posts: 584 ★★★★

    Did there used to be GBC in money deals? Did those give the same points as purchasing with units?

    I think during x-mas. There's always the 10 for $50 deal that pops up. But even then, you are actually purchasing them.

    Technically, you aren't purchasing SBCs with tokens since the tokens are just placeholders. They can't give us the crystals early since they aren't available until tomorrow. Those will be like the ones we get from milestones.

    I can see a case for the tokens earned from purchases like daily offers. But since you are buying tokens and trading for a crystal, there's no way to transfer that "value" of which token was traded.

    Essentially they would need 2 versions of the gifting crystals.
    and ur trading in units for crystals so where's the difference here. buying SBCs with units is trading the units for them why isnt trading the tickets for SBCs also count as purchasing? in past banquets when u buy the 50$ bubdle for 10 crystals they count as purchasing, so why is spending on tickets that gets u a crystal (essentially having a middle man) not count as a purchase? that would be like paying the 50$ getting 10 tokens and trading them in, not counting as purchasing and not telling you that it doesnt until after u buy it
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,370 ★★★★★
    Normax_X said:

    Normax_X said:

    This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.

    However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.

    Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.

    They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.

    Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.

    You need to calm down. "Unethical business practices" lol. They didn't change anything at the last minute. You're making that part up. And they recently made it to where you can exchange the tokens for the SBCs. That isn't an issue, that's them increasing the value of that token.

    You only just found out the points earned yesterday so how on earth could they have "changed it at the last moment"?
    "they didnt change anything at the last minute" the fact that they changed the description a few weeks ago after everyone bought them to "this only counts as opening points" means people were confused , there was a reason for them to change that. and ccp members have said they didnt like this *change* and didnt agree when kabam told them. And theres always been a purchasing and opening set of points so no i didnt "only find out yesterday" we assumed it would be both if they wanted to state it in rhe description they shouldve done so since day 1
    Can you post the discription screenshot?
    Just curious, I have nothing to do with this thread. I'm 66-33 on your side normie.
  • 005s005s Member Posts: 18
    edited December 19
    I used 1500 units in the Incursions to attain these banquet tickets (got 10 of those). If known earlier would anyone play their mind altering games chasing these ticket which are worth 1/4 of purchase of a SBC. Could have attained almost 3 SBCs for same units spend.
    If not count as purchase, at least change the opening points gains to 150. Could achieve some milestones at least with 10 of the ticket SBCs.
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,115 ★★★★★

    Did there used to be GBC in money deals? Did those give the same points as purchasing with units?

    I think during x-mas. There's always the 10 for $50 deal that pops up. But even then, you are actually purchasing them.

    Technically, you aren't purchasing SBCs with tokens since the tokens are just placeholders. They can't give us the crystals early since they aren't available until tomorrow. Those will be like the ones we get from milestones.

    I can see a case for the tokens earned from purchases like daily offers. But since you are buying tokens and trading for a crystal, there's no way to transfer that "value" of which token was traded.

    Essentially they would need 2 versions of the gifting crystals.
    This it true i just wished Kabam would had ben more transparency of it there wasn’t there changed the description of the banguet token when there said the SBC would be gaining the old description didn’t say anything of the point with is the bad thing.
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