Banquet 2024 Retrospective

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  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 93
    I was disappointed with most of my SBCs, but in hindsight, I think it's a bit disingenuous to ignore all the milestone rewards we get for getting and opening SBCs and act as if the contents of the SBC is all that was received.
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,561 ★★★★★

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    Confirms my thoughts - top progression players should just forget the banquet being a meaningful event anymore. Spend your units elsewhere. This event is destined to be lackluster forever…. Ignore all Kabam hype leading up to it.
    Thronebreakers are having a great time, I'm sure. If they're still going to be treated like a top progression and roped in on the rewards, we might as well just accept that what is good to progress thronebreaker accounts is what is good for the rest of us.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,346 ★★★★★
    kvirr said:

    kvirr said:

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    ok, we get you work at kabam…but is this your honest opinion ? From a real player pov ?
    Just wanna say Crashed has been incredibly open and honest with the community, above and beyond what is required by his position. He's been very generous with his time especially here on the forums, lets please not impugn his character. You can disagree with his assessment if you do, but please trust that if hes saying it he means it.

    100%, crashed doesn’t have to do anything he does here, and I appreciate him for that, he keeps it open. I hope I didn’t come in a sarcastic way, I truly didn’t mean too.

    Good wishes and all. Enjoy the break
    Sarcastic.... No. In other ways, yes.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,346 ★★★★★

    Grinchhh said:

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    Didn't you literally say that the crystals wouldn't be as filler this time?
    I think his point is Kabam doesn’t see it as filler because it’s all relevant to 7* champs.

    Players that have been spending resources like trophy tokens on nothing but t6cc for the past many months like myself and have 200+ 25% crystals stacked up are met with a banquet that has 31% t6cc and it’s super disappointing.

    It also seems apparent that the perceived value of 7* shards and particularly titan shards between Kabam and players are very much skewed.
    This is how I view it as well. Filler for me is the iso and gold. I'm constantly waiting on t6cc to rank up.
  • LuigihulksmasherLuigihulksmasher Member Posts: 92 ★★

    Grinchhh said:

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    Didn't you literally say that the crystals wouldn't be as filler this time?
    I think his point is Kabam doesn’t see it as filler because it’s all relevant to 7* champs.

    Players that have been spending resources like trophy tokens on nothing but t6cc for the past many months like myself and have 200+ 25% crystals stacked up are met with a banquet that has 31% t6cc and it’s super disappointing.

    It also seems apparent that the perceived value of 7* shards and particularly titan shards between Kabam and players are very much skewed.
    This is how I view it as well. Filler for me is the iso and gold. I'm constantly waiting on t6cc to rank up.
    Yeah we are all waiting on some but that don’t mean I want it to be the main prize in my SBCs everytime lol.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,235 ★★★★★
    kvirr said:

    Grinchhh said:

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    Didn't you literally say that the crystals wouldn't be as filler this time?
    I think his point is Kabam doesn’t see it as filler because it’s all relevant to 7* champs.

    Players that have been spending resources like trophy tokens on nothing but t6cc for the past many months like myself and have 200+ 25% crystals stacked up are met with a banquet that has 31% t6cc and it’s super disappointing.

    It also seems apparent that the perceived value of 7* shards and particularly titan shards between Kabam and players are very much skewed.
    This is how I view it as well. Filler for me is the iso and gold. I'm constantly waiting on t6cc to rank up.
    The problem isn’t exactly t6b and t3a, those are useful to have,the problem is the drop rates, which is mostly why they didn’t release them most likely.
    Thing i hate is why are t6ccs still being low amounts why cant we finally get full t6cc and random t6cc crystals as a reward instead of heres 5700 same with t6b and t3a we should be getting so many more formed ones already
  • kvirrkvirr Member Posts: 856 ★★★

    kvirr said:

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    ok, we get you work at kabam…but is this your honest opinion ? From a real player pov ?
    Just wanna say Crashed has been incredibly open and honest with the community, above and beyond what is required by his position. He's been very generous with his time especially here on the forums, lets please not impugn his character. You can disagree with his assessment if you do, but please trust that if hes saying it he means it.


    just wanted to put this here, im not sure if you guys have saw it, but this should demonstrate how the player base feels about the event.


    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/384278/disappointing-banquet-event/p1
  • FurrymoosenFurrymoosen Member Posts: 4,561 ★★★★★
    edited December 21
    Theshadow said:

    and dont forget top whales will get 2025 champ token and r4s for god sake. If this aint creating a gap then what it.

    Without getting into conspiracy theories, it's because gaps created by cash are more palatable than gaps created by farmed units. But that's nothing new.
  • kvirrkvirr Member Posts: 856 ★★★
    Bendy said:

    kvirr said:

    Grinchhh said:

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    Didn't you literally say that the crystals wouldn't be as filler this time?
    I think his point is Kabam doesn’t see it as filler because it’s all relevant to 7* champs.

    Players that have been spending resources like trophy tokens on nothing but t6cc for the past many months like myself and have 200+ 25% crystals stacked up are met with a banquet that has 31% t6cc and it’s super disappointing.

    It also seems apparent that the perceived value of 7* shards and particularly titan shards between Kabam and players are very much skewed.
    This is how I view it as well. Filler for me is the iso and gold. I'm constantly waiting on t6cc to rank up.
    The problem isn’t exactly t6b and t3a, those are useful to have,the problem is the drop rates, which is mostly why they didn’t release them most likely.
    Thing i hate is why are t6ccs still being low amounts why cant we finally get full t6cc and random t6cc crystals as a reward instead of heres 5700 same with t6b and t3a we should be getting so many more formed ones already

    also, the realm,solo, and ally milestones give WAYYY to much, the balance is crazy. The crystal to event dif is crazy.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,235 ★★★★★
    kvirr said:

    Bendy said:

    kvirr said:

    Grinchhh said:

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    Didn't you literally say that the crystals wouldn't be as filler this time?
    I think his point is Kabam doesn’t see it as filler because it’s all relevant to 7* champs.

    Players that have been spending resources like trophy tokens on nothing but t6cc for the past many months like myself and have 200+ 25% crystals stacked up are met with a banquet that has 31% t6cc and it’s super disappointing.

    It also seems apparent that the perceived value of 7* shards and particularly titan shards between Kabam and players are very much skewed.
    This is how I view it as well. Filler for me is the iso and gold. I'm constantly waiting on t6cc to rank up.
    The problem isn’t exactly t6b and t3a, those are useful to have,the problem is the drop rates, which is mostly why they didn’t release them most likely.
    Thing i hate is why are t6ccs still being low amounts why cant we finally get full t6cc and random t6cc crystals as a reward instead of heres 5700 same with t6b and t3a we should be getting so many more formed ones already

    also, the realm,solo, and ally milestones give WAYYY to much, the balance is crazy. The crystal to event dif is crazy.
    Yeah ratio is wild even then that stuff to me was used instant but not with many rank ups from them since how many it takes to use
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,120 ★★★★★

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    Okay already said one but forgot to say a bit more if the drop from tier 6cc wasn’t all the way to that’s small amount probably wouldn’t ben as bad but I get there need to be filler somehow but speaking from the economy let take super daily giv me more tier 6cc ever day this event use to be rank up mat now it feels like if you can’t get decent enough points for realms and solo you already lost it so my feedback is this might had been better to had increased the yield from tier 6CC as last merry Christmas though.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,409 ★★★★★
    Glassback said:

    @SubDegree completely echo you mate. Similar progression level, so fair I’ve got the mats to R3 one more champ. Opened two 7* crystals. Masses of T6b and T3a in overflow now.

    The drop rates were disappointing, especially compared to actual unit spend in cyber.

    Im very concerned that we’ve done the 15ish spend and the disappointment will stop others from participating so we won’t get to the milestone rewards that justified a 15-20k spend.

    Big shame on this one.

    This is a strong possibility. far too much of the better stuff is in the realm milestones.

    And the drop rates weren't great. I opened 124 and only got 6 seven stars total between a selector, a box key, a nexus and shards.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,409 ★★★★★

    Hello. This right here I think is the main the main disconnect between how the game team sees this event and how disappointed Summoners see it.



    TyEdge said:

    Here’s the sad reality of this event:

    If you build the main prizes into the milestones, you spread the value around more evenly and you keep whales from getting a huge windfall.

    If the crystals are absolutely lit, megawhales will get more separation from the population as a whole.

    We deliberately include as much of the reward package as we can in the events themselves. This year, everything in the SBC can be used on 7-star champions, so there shouldn't be anything in there that is completely useless to players. But the crystals are never going to be the main focus of the rewards, because if they were as TyEdge correctly summarized, it would mean creating an enormous gap between the big spenders and everyone else.

    I will pop back into this thread after the event is over to share more comprehensive thoughts like I did last year. But in the meantime, I encourage Summoners to take a breath and look at the total reward package that was available as part of this event. I personally think there is more here for ~15K Units than there was during Cyber Week, and I'm having a blast with my new 7-Star Medusa.

    Enjoy the holiday break everyone.
    I get the concept of not making the crystals themselves too OP as then whoever buys the most will progress the most but I do think too many of the juicier milestones are in the realm event vs the solo or alliance ones. Of course if everyone spends/buys then everyone gets them but it's far from guaranteed and that in itself will lead to massive disappointment. The last real event there had to be artificial points boosting - I can see this one going a similar way.
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