This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
I also recognise they were added to the daily deals FOR FREE. So not only was I getting tickets, but all the other goodies too.
I also recognise they contributed to me being able to get amazing goodies from the Sinister bundles.
So yeh. If the lack of empathy is “astonishing”, what word would you use for the vast amount of entitlement on display over this event?
If you bought enough dailies, you also picked up all the sinister bundles in traders outpost and the all the stuff that came with them.
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
Same here. I didn't buy a huge number of tickets. I probably got 120-125 of the free tickets and bought enough that, with the tickets from accolades, I will get the 6* Sinister deal on top of the 7* one. I always assumed I would not be getting the points for purchase.
If it was that clear then y the sneaky script change? And y after 3 mths? Sbc wasn’t even announced 3 mths back. What r we talking about. It’s ok if u r fine with all of it. Why unnecessarily hassle people who r a bit upset. Anyone raises a simple point the whole gang jumps on them. This is just poor form.
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
Same here. I didn't buy a huge number of tickets. I probably got 120-125 of the free tickets and bought enough that, with the tickets from accolades, I will get the 6* Sinister deal on top of the 7* one. I always assumed I would not be getting the points for purchase.
If it was that clear then y the sneaky script change? And y after 3 mths? Sbc wasn’t even announced 3 mths back. What r we talking about. It’s ok if u r fine with all of it. Why unnecessarily hassle people who r a bit upset. Anyone raises a simple point the whole gang jumps on them. This is just poor form.
It was not sneaky. They had commented about it in the forum
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
Same here. I didn't buy a huge number of tickets. I probably got 120-125 of the free tickets and bought enough that, with the tickets from accolades, I will get the 6* Sinister deal on top of the 7* one. I always assumed I would not be getting the points for purchase.
If it was that clear then y the sneaky script change? And y after 3 mths? Sbc wasn’t even announced 3 mths back. What r we talking about. It’s ok if u r fine with all of it. Why unnecessarily hassle people who r a bit upset. Anyone raises a simple point the whole gang jumps on them. This is just poor form.
It was not sneaky. They had commented about it in the forum
Plz share a screenshot n I will take ur point n apologise.
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
Same here. I didn't buy a huge number of tickets. I probably got 120-125 of the free tickets and bought enough that, with the tickets from accolades, I will get the 6* Sinister deal on top of the 7* one. I always assumed I would not be getting the points for purchase.
If it was that clear then y the sneaky script change? And y after 3 mths? Sbc wasn’t even announced 3 mths back. What r we talking about. It’s ok if u r fine with all of it. Why unnecessarily hassle people who r a bit upset. Anyone raises a simple point the whole gang jumps on them. This is just poor form.
They probably just assumed that most players understood that unless you bought a crystal with units you wouldn't get the points for buying one.
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
Same here. I didn't buy a huge number of tickets. I probably got 120-125 of the free tickets and bought enough that, with the tickets from accolades, I will get the 6* Sinister deal on top of the 7* one. I always assumed I would not be getting the points for purchase.
If it was that clear then y the sneaky script change? And y after 3 mths? Sbc wasn’t even announced 3 mths back. What r we talking about. It’s ok if u r fine with all of it. Why unnecessarily hassle people who r a bit upset. Anyone raises a simple point the whole gang jumps on them. This is just poor form.
They probably just assumed that most players understood that unless you bought a crystal with units you wouldn't get the points for buying one.
Not talking about free crystals. These r tickets bought from real money. It was a valid assumption.
If the intent was right there would have been a proper public explanation. Not a sneaky line change. Kabam allowed people to b under that assumption for 3 mths. Collected their cash and then changed the description 3 weeks before the event.
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
Same here. I didn't buy a huge number of tickets. I probably got 120-125 of the free tickets and bought enough that, with the tickets from accolades, I will get the 6* Sinister deal on top of the 7* one. I always assumed I would not be getting the points for purchase.
If it was that clear then y the sneaky script change? And y after 3 mths? Sbc wasn’t even announced 3 mths back. What r we talking about. It’s ok if u r fine with all of it. Why unnecessarily hassle people who r a bit upset. Anyone raises a simple point the whole gang jumps on them. This is just poor form.
So only people who are upset get to have an opinion?
If you want to have a private discussion and not hear from people who disagree, take it to your alliance chat. If you're gonna post here in the forums, people can and will respond.
Stop acting like they changed the text from saying you would get the points to then say you wouldn't. They never said one way or the other. The fact that you made an incorrect assumption is not Kabam's fault.
Would it have been better if they explicitly said no points from the tickets? Sure, I'll grant you that. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean not saying it proves they were being deceptive or shady.
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
I wouldn’t say so.
1 is for GBC where it doesn’t state points either way.
The other states SBC and does confirm points.
Those upset are still only upset because reality has not met their assumptions. The key word being assumptions.
People have been buying this with real money for 3 months. This lack of empathy is astonishing.
I’m one of those people - I never assumed I’d be getting any points for them. Whether that be opening, trading, or both.
Same here. I didn't buy a huge number of tickets. I probably got 120-125 of the free tickets and bought enough that, with the tickets from accolades, I will get the 6* Sinister deal on top of the 7* one. I always assumed I would not be getting the points for purchase.
If it was that clear then y the sneaky script change? And y after 3 mths? Sbc wasn’t even announced 3 mths back. What r we talking about. It’s ok if u r fine with all of it. Why unnecessarily hassle people who r a bit upset. Anyone raises a simple point the whole gang jumps on them. This is just poor form.
They probably just assumed that most players understood that unless you bought a crystal with units you wouldn't get the points for buying one.
Not talking about free crystals. These r tickets bought from real money. It was a valid assumption.
If the intent was right there would have been a proper public explanation. Not a sneaky line change. Kabam allowed people to b under that assumption for 3 mths. Collected their cash and then changed the description 3 weeks before the event.
How is this making sense for u?
The tokens are a proxy for the actual crystal, not a separate currency. How would they differentiate between tickets you paid for and tickets you got for free?
This post isn't about the rewards or ranked or any of that. I am only dicussing the token points that got changed last minute from 400 to 100. Over the past months, many players, myself included, have invested time and resources into getting tokens with the understanding that they would be exchanged for Banquet crystals and contribute to event points.
However, the sudden addition of a clause AFTER the fact that people farmed using real money in daily deals stating that tickets will now only count for 100 points rather than 400 of the expected points is unacceptable. This decision significantly undermines the transparency we expect from Kabam.
Many players made strategic decisions over months based on the original rules. Retroactively changing these rules feels exploitative and unfair. At minimum, the tickets’ original value be honored for this banquet event, as this was the implicit agreement when players acquired them.
They also said that they decided to allow us to get the superior banquet crystal rather than the intended lower banquet crystal, so we wouldv'e had two issues to deal with here had they not addressed this part early. Which again, did not state in the description that it would give us a lower than expected crystal prior to people spending.
Kabam needs to address this as it quite literally falls within unethical business practice by definition or to put it bluntly, its a scam.
This is 100% false. There was no sudden or hidden point "change." You get 100 points for opening an SBC. You get 300 points for buying an SBC. The players trying to play dictionary games with what the meaning of "buying" is are claiming that when you exchange tickets for SBCs you're "buying them." That's simply not true.
It has always been true that buying the banquet crystals gives points separate from opening them. And in the past, crystals you earned from things like milestones only granted the points for opening, not buying. This much is absolutely unambiguously true. However, some players would like to think that when Kabam created the ticket system, that should count as "buying." Except the vast majority of tickets were basically given away for free within in-game content. You *could* get them as bonus items in purchases like daily offers, but even there those tickets were added to already existing offers without the offers changing price. There's no question you were not buying tickets, you were buying the offers and getting the tickets as a free bonus. So tickets aren't purchased, and thus there's no reasonable way to assert that they themselves "buy" the crystals. Anyone who thinks this must believe we "buy" Titan crystals with Titan shards, we "buy" T4B catalysts with fragments, etc. And that's just not true.
The sideways argument goes like this: I would never have bought the daily offers if they didn't have the tickets, so yes I did in fact buy the tickets. Sorry, that doesn't work. Whatever your motivation for buying the offers has nothing to do with what you actually bought. You can *say* "I only bought this because I knew I would get that, so I bought that" but that doesn't mean they sold it to you and you actually bought it. This line of argument wouldn't work anywhere else.
I get that some people misunderstood and are disappointed, but that's really on them. Thinking this is unethical or even illegal is a bridge way too far. If you had asked me before the banquet began if you'd get the purchase points for exchanging tickets for crystals, I would have said "almost certainly not. Kabam would have had to have lost their collective minds to do that. In fact, if they say they do, I would assume it is a typo." Because it is essentially nonsensical for them to count as purchases for the purpose of points.
The banquet event is a spenders event. But like everything in this game, Kabam bends over backwards to try to accommodate free to play players. The whole entire purpose of the event, which traces back to the original gifting events, is to get spenders to spend, buying things with cash and units, in a more interesting setting than just buying offers. That's what it is, that's what it always has been. Everything else is window dressing, and accommodations for the 95% of players who don't spend. The tickets were themselves a way to extend that to allow free to play players to get even more participation in what is a spending event targeting spenders. And of course, if the tickets exist in an event targeting spenders, there would also be a way to buy some. Because of course. But tickets are not buying, because tickets are not cash and are not a direct intermediary for cash.
I am a long time pessimist when it comes to these kinds of things. I am often predicting in what way the vocal community will explode over everything. And even I missed this one. I am clearly still insufficiently pessimistic.
@DNA3000 two photos with two different description.
But regardless I pointed it out 3 weeks ago ago no body was surprised but apparently a lot is Now
Faced with proof the apologist disappears! 😂😂
Yeah, that’s what everyone is saying.
First, I addressed that in my reply to Zola’s post. Second, once the event started I did what I usually do during banquet/gifting (and what I said I would do on the Discord): I spent the time spinning crystals and collecting rewards, and leaving the complaints to skew in their own juices for a while so as not to contaminate my enjoyment of the game. And third, me deciding not to respond further is a mercy: don’t abuse the privilege.
Making assumptions or ignoring communication that has come out doesn't mean they changed something. The tokens will get you crystals, the crystals will get you points. But the language has been clear since the first banquet - you get points for purchasing crystals, not for trading for them.
You get points for buying banquet crystals for money. You get points for trading units for banquet crystals. You should get points for trading tokens for banquet crystals. It's "buying" banquet crystals using an in game currency, just like "buying" with units. The only real buying of crystals technically happens when people buy 10 for $50, if you wanna get technical about it.
Making assumptions or ignoring communication that has come out doesn't mean they changed something. The tokens will get you crystals, the crystals will get you points. But the language has been clear since the first banquet - you get points for purchasing crystals, not for trading for them.
You get points for buying banquet crystals for money. You get points for trading units for banquet crystals. You should get points for trading tokens for banquet crystals. It's "buying" banquet crystals using an in game currency, just like "buying" with units. The only real buying of crystals technically happens when people buy 10 for $50, if you wanna get technical about it.
It's not buying because for all intents and purposes the token IS the crystal
After accolades we will have 9 banquet tickets. Can we get 1 more free banquet ticket to form 1 token to convert to a SBC so that we can get more gold, iso, and t6cc fragments?
Don’t know why they decided to give us 129 banquet tickets instead of 130 in the first place.
After accolades we will have 9 banquet tickets. Can we get 1 more free banquet ticket to form 1 token to convert to a SBC so that we can get more gold, iso, and t6cc fragments?
Don’t know why they decided to give us 129 banquet tickets instead of 130 in the first place.
I was wondering the same thing, and I think the intent was to give ppl 12 free crystals, but they added more tickets to give ppl a little buffer so they wouldn't have to stress about getting every single free ticket.
Pure speculation on my part, but I think it makes sense.
yall dont fight i made this post to discuss 🫶 but all great points with and against my post. We got bigger fish to fry i think i made the post before the event released thinking that would be the big issue lol
Making assumptions or ignoring communication that has come out doesn't mean they changed something. The tokens will get you crystals, the crystals will get you points. But the language has been clear since the first banquet - you get points for purchasing crystals, not for trading for them.
You get points for buying banquet crystals for money. You get points for trading units for banquet crystals. You should get points for trading tokens for banquet crystals. It's "buying" banquet crystals using an in game currency, just like "buying" with units. The only real buying of crystals technically happens when people buy 10 for $50, if you wanna get technical about it.
It's not buying because for all intents and purposes the token IS the crystal
If the token is the crystal then open up those tokens without buying a crystal for me please. If you need to buy a crystal to open the crystal then you've bought one and your argument that you didn't buy the crystal doesn't hold water.
Making assumptions or ignoring communication that has come out doesn't mean they changed something. The tokens will get you crystals, the crystals will get you points. But the language has been clear since the first banquet - you get points for purchasing crystals, not for trading for them.
You get points for buying banquet crystals for money. You get points for trading units for banquet crystals. You should get points for trading tokens for banquet crystals. It's "buying" banquet crystals using an in game currency, just like "buying" with units. The only real buying of crystals technically happens when people buy 10 for $50, if you wanna get technical about it.
It's not buying because for all intents and purposes the token IS the crystal
If the token is the crystal then open up those tokens without buying a crystal for me please. If you need to buy a crystal to open the crystal then you've bought one and your argument that you didn't buy the crystal doesn't hold water.
Let me put this in perspective for the op here because I too bought dailies for those tickets. It cost 10 tickets for 1 sbc. That’s 10 dailies. That’s $50 per sbc. I started off with 20 sbc. I take away the 129 round up to 130. That means I spent $350 dollars for 7 crystals in dailies and only 700 points. See why he’s so mad now? Everyone complaining about dropping money 10 bucks a pop. Those of us who bought ahead and were told we were getting them To count towards banquet during the livestream didn’t spend $10+ for each crystal. We spent $50+ for each crystal. Everything about this event has been filled with lies.
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If you bought enough dailies, you also picked up all the sinister bundles in traders outpost and the all the stuff that came with them.
If the intent was right there would have been a proper public explanation. Not a sneaky line change. Kabam allowed people to b under that assumption for 3 mths. Collected their cash and then changed the description 3 weeks before the event.
How is this making sense for u?
If you want to have a private discussion and not hear from people who disagree, take it to your alliance chat. If you're gonna post here in the forums, people can and will respond.
Stop acting like they changed the text from saying you would get the points to then say you wouldn't. They never said one way or the other. The fact that you made an incorrect assumption is not Kabam's fault.
Would it have been better if they explicitly said no points from the tickets? Sure, I'll grant you that. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean not saying it proves they were being deceptive or shady.
First, I addressed that in my reply to Zola’s post. Second, once the event started I did what I usually do during banquet/gifting (and what I said I would do on the Discord): I spent the time spinning crystals and collecting rewards, and leaving the complaints to skew in their own juices for a while so as not to contaminate my enjoyment of the game. And third, me deciding not to respond further is a mercy: don’t abuse the privilege.
You should get points for trading tokens for banquet crystals.
It's "buying" banquet crystals using an in game currency, just like "buying" with units.
The only real buying of crystals technically happens when people buy 10 for $50, if you wanna get technical about it.
Don’t know why they decided to give us 129 banquet tickets instead of 130 in the first place.
Pure speculation on my part, but I think it makes sense.
To count towards banquet during the livestream didn’t spend $10+ for each crystal. We spent $50+ for each crystal. Everything about this event has been filled with lies.