we expected a pie for banquet but we got a ticket instead (which comes with a free pie!) but everyone's crying over getting a ticket and moaning how they can't eat the ticket. BUT IT COMES WITH A PIE! YOU CAN EAT THAT, CAN'T YOU?
There is no point in doing more than your minimum
unfortunately yes, there's minimal value past the milestones. it sucks but maybe we should also put the pitchforks down?
Not sure why giving the team valid constructive feedback they asked for is being categorized as “pitchforks”.
I could counter propose you do the same. What’s the point of screaming into the wind about milestones on multiple threads today?
startropics does NOT wanna get off Kabam's D.😝💀 Crashed ain't giving you an autograph bud, simply swallow your ego and accept that your singular opinion does not overshadow the facts and the experience of thousands of others.
I'm at 20,300 points currently, 14,400 units spent, with enough units to hit all the stretch goals Problem is I'm waiting for the realm, the banquet crystal drop rate ain't helping to fuel a self sustaining crystal opening mania Other than a 7* nexus crystal, the rest I got were similar to everyone else
we expected a pie for banquet but we got a ticket instead (which comes with a free pie!) but everyone's crying over getting a ticket and moaning how they can't eat the ticket. BUT IT COMES WITH A PIE! YOU CAN EAT THAT, CAN'T YOU?
There is no point in doing more than your minimum
unfortunately yes, there's minimal value past the milestones. it sucks but maybe we should also put the pitchforks down?
Ok Milestone Genius, care to explain something to me?... If this milestones are so great, explain to me why i spent over 20k units in past banquets and in 2023/2024 I decided to do the minimum to clear to milestones only?... Is it because I am satisfied with the milestones or because the crystals are trash and I rather not spend my units? 20k+ units in past years was not even whale level; but I spent them...now I'm sitting on 15K i don't even want to use... Are you one of those F2P players that constantly complains about the gap between spenders and F2P and that's why you like this structure so much? Maybe you should let everyone with a pitchfork do whatever they want, I mean there is not much people backing up Kabam on this one...
there's no denying it, the crystals ARE trash....to you, me, and probably everyone else, but the milestones are great, so don't go past the milestones. why are we complicating things? go where the value is...
if you're upset that you can't spend on more SBCs, i get it, but that's how they designed the event. but we're still getting a bunch of good stuff for relatively good value.
take a step back and look at as a whole. y'all mad about the packaging and not its contents. the contents are good and they're there...
we expected a pie for banquet but we got a ticket instead (which comes with a free pie!) but everyone's crying over getting a ticket and moaning how they can't eat the ticket. BUT IT COMES WITH A PIE! YOU CAN EAT THAT, CAN'T YOU?
There is no point in doing more than your minimum
unfortunately yes, there's minimal value past the milestones. it sucks but maybe we should also put the pitchforks down?
Ok Milestone Genius, care to explain something to me?... If this milestones are so great, explain to me why i spent over 20k units in past banquets and in 2023/2024 I decided to do the minimum to clear to milestones only?... Is it because I am satisfied with the milestones or because the crystals are trash and I rather not spend my units? 20k+ units in past years was not even whale level; but I spent them...now I'm sitting on 15K i don't even want to use... Are you one of those F2P players that constantly complains about the gap between spenders and F2P and that's why you like this structure so much? Maybe you should let everyone with a pitchfork do whatever they want, I mean there is not much people backing up Kabam on this one...
there's no denying it, the crystals ARE trash....to you, me, and probably everyone else, but the milestones are great, so don't go past the milestones. why are we complicating things? go where the value is...
if you're upset that you can't spend on more SBCs, i get it, but that's how they designed the event. but we're still getting a bunch of good stuff for relatively good value.
take a step back and look at as a whole. y'all mad about the packaging and not its contents. the contents are good and they're there...
There was 2 pages of complaints.. you complained about all the people complaining... Who exactly is this "everyone else"? I am sitting at 29k Points and 15k units. Any more assumptions?
I didn’t make a graph, but I can say that at 17,900 pts, I’ve gotten nothing monumental. No 7 stars, titans, or keys. Best things I got was enough fragments to make about 1.5 T4A and I got 500 awakening shards 2 times. Nothing else from my 300 unit Valiant crystals.
startropics does NOT wanna get off Kabam's D.😝💀 Crashed ain't giving you an autograph bud, simply swallow your ego and accept that your singular opinion does not overshadow the facts and the experience of thousands of others.
it's not an opinion. the SBCs are piss poor value and the milestones are great. kabam should have done a better job at messaging.
but this is about hurt feelings more than anything else. the community is mad that kabam didn't "ask nicely", "come correct", or to "their liking", in a manner that would comfort their fee-fees to the maximum extend possible. and since that didn't happen we get the same clueless ignorant mob mentality that we've always gotten.
startropics does NOT wanna get off Kabam's D.😝💀 Crashed ain't giving you an autograph bud, simply swallow your ego and accept that your singular opinion does not overshadow the facts and the experience of thousands of others.
it's not an opinion. the SBCs are piss poor value and the milestones are great. kabam should have done a better job at messaging.
but this is about hurt feelings more than anything else. the community is mad that kabam didn't "ask nicely", "come correct", or to "their liking", in a manner that would comfort their fee-fees to the maximum extend possible. and since that didn't happen we get the same clueless ignorant mob mentality that we've always gotten.
is 1000+ FUs to dave "constructive criticism"?
I mean by better job at messaging, you mean not spend 3 months hyping these trash crystals up? Not purposefully misleading us by saying it’s only 50% filler? Or tell us that it’s all 7star relevant but in irrelevant quantities?
startropics does NOT wanna get off Kabam's D.😝💀 Crashed ain't giving you an autograph bud, simply swallow your ego and accept that your singular opinion does not overshadow the facts and the experience of thousands of others.
it's not an opinion. the SBCs are piss poor value and the milestones are great. kabam should have done a better job at messaging.
but this is about hurt feelings more than anything else. the community is mad that kabam didn't "ask nicely", "come correct", or to "their liking", in a manner that would comfort their fee-fees to the maximum extend possible. and since that didn't happen we get the same clueless ignorant mob mentality that we've always gotten.
is 1000+ FUs to dave "constructive criticism"?
I mean by better job at messaging, you mean not spend 3 months hyping these trash crystals up? Not purposefully misleading us by saying it’s only 50% filler? Or tell us that it’s all 7star relevant but in irrelevant quantities?
a reasonable person would see or feel the droprates then understand the value in the milestones and get over it, but some of these people don't care.
the community wants blood and acts as if they've been deeply wronged on such a cosmic scale that that no amount of contrition by kabam could ever make up for it.
it's irrational online cancel culture behavior and gross and they should grow the hell up imo.
i'm not referring to you bigblue, but to others...nobody was "wronged", the event is fine, nobody is forcing you to spend, you're grown ass person with a mind of your own, now stop pretending to be a victim and get over it.
Bought like another 50 of those SBC..only 3000 ⁷ stars and 1000 Titan shards.97% of those were rank up materials.My ⁷stars crystals haven't been too thrilling neither..Latest has been White Tiger, Duped Patriot Sam Wilson, Duped Gambit..and Wiccon Duped from the milestone Nexus crystal. Out of an selection of Howard the duck and duping my Red Goblin.
Bought like another 50 of those SBC..only 3000 ⁷ stars and 1000 Titan shards.97% of those were rank up materials.My ⁷stars crystals haven't been too thrilling neither..Latest has been White Tiger, Duped Patriot Sam Wilson, Duped Gambit..and Wiccon Duped from the milestone Nexus crystal. Out of an selection of Howard the duck and duping my Red Goblin.
I still struggle to see the value even in the milestones
for 15k..
60k 7* shards 5k titan shards enough t4 alpha for 2 r3s... 3 7* glorious guardian champs (some who are very good) 7* glorious guardians awakening gem 70 7* glorious guardians sig stones 30 7* generic sigs 1-2 generic bunch of necessary catalysts (t6c, t5c, t6b, t3a) 7* isophyne
plus....2 more 7* basics and a 7* nexus
plus whatever you pulled from those SBCs, which is a cherry on top.
for 15k this is very solid. how much would just a 2-3 generic gem cost with units 5 weeks ago?
So, we are talking of 5 odin's or 500$.
The 7* shards - good ( RNG again) T4 alpha - good Titan shards 5k - not good Glorious games champs/ awakening gem/ sig stones - not good or good ( depends if you really like any of them or roster is limited ) 1-2 genric - bad SBC - do I really need to?
Without actually going over the quantity of rewards lets analyse the quality for 5 Odin's worth and then decide...( Also don't compare it to cyber weekend or add the 10*10 supply drop etc. Just as a stand alone event)
I still struggle to see the value even in the milestones
for 15k..
60k 7* shards 5k titan shards enough t4 alpha for 2 r3s... 3 7* glorious guardian champs (some who are very good) 7* glorious guardians awakening gem 70 7* glorious guardians sig stones 30 7* generic sigs 1-2 generic bunch of necessary catalysts (t6c, t5c, t6b, t3a) 7* isophyne
plus....2 more 7* basics and a 7* nexus
plus whatever you pulled from those SBCs, which is a cherry on top.
for 15k this is very solid. how much would just a 2-3 generic gem cost with units 5 weeks ago?
So, we are talking of 5 odin's or 500$.
The 7* shards - good ( RNG again) T4 alpha - good Titan shards 5k - not good Glorious games champs/ awakening gem/ sig stones - not good or good ( depends if you really like any of them or roster is limited ) 1-2 genric - bad SBC - do I really need to?
Without actually going over the quantity of rewards lets analyse the quality for 5 Odin's worth and then decide...( Also don't compare it to cyber weekend or add the 10*10 supply drop etc. Just as a stand alone event)
we're gonna compare it to cyber weekend because it was 3 weeks apart...
i am too lazy to do the work and come up with the exact differences because nobody wants to listen, but look at it, the banquet is much better.
there's a lot more materials in the banquet milestones than these 3 items in green shown below and they both cost 15k units. banquet technically costs less than 14k...
it's not even close. banquet blows it away...
edit: and also we can't just buy the bottom tier on cyber we have to spend so it's even more expensive
I still struggle to see the value even in the milestones
for 15k..
60k 7* shards 5k titan shards enough t4 alpha for 2 r3s... 3 7* glorious guardian champs (some who are very good) 7* glorious guardians awakening gem 70 7* glorious guardians sig stones 30 7* generic sigs 1-2 generic bunch of necessary catalysts (t6c, t5c, t6b, t3a) 7* isophyne
plus....2 more 7* basics and a 7* nexus
plus whatever you pulled from those SBCs, which is a cherry on top.
for 15k this is very solid. how much would just a 2-3 generic gem cost with units 5 weeks ago?
So, we are talking of 5 odin's or 500$.
The 7* shards - good ( RNG again) T4 alpha - good Titan shards 5k - not good Glorious games champs/ awakening gem/ sig stones - not good or good ( depends if you really like any of them or roster is limited ) 1-2 genric - bad SBC - do I really need to?
Without actually going over the quantity of rewards lets analyse the quality for 5 Odin's worth and then decide...( Also don't compare it to cyber weekend or add the 10*10 supply drop etc. Just as a stand alone event)
we're gonna compare it to cyber weekend because it was 3 weeks apart...
i am too lazy to do the work and come up with the exact differences because nobody wants to listen, but look at it, the banquet is much better.
there's a lot more materials in the banquet milestones than these 3 items in green shown below and they both cost 15k units. banquet technically costs less than 14k...
it's not even close. banquet blows it away...
edit: and also we can't just buy the bottom tier on cyber we have to spend so it's even more expensive
I’m not necessarily commenting on the banquet event - but just correcting you on cyber weekend.
You could’ve actually got 2 of the 3rd deal in tier two and 1 of the 2nd deal in tier 3. - this would cost 13k units and for that you get … - enough to r3 3x 7 star champs and a 7 star champ selector?!
I still struggle to see the value even in the milestones
for 15k..
60k 7* shards 5k titan shards enough t4 alpha for 2 r3s... 3 7* glorious guardian champs (some who are very good) 7* glorious guardians awakening gem 70 7* glorious guardians sig stones 30 7* generic sigs 1-2 generic bunch of necessary catalysts (t6c, t5c, t6b, t3a) 7* isophyne
plus....2 more 7* basics and a 7* nexus
plus whatever you pulled from those SBCs, which is a cherry on top.
for 15k this is very solid. how much would just a 2-3 generic gem cost with units 5 weeks ago?
So, we are talking of 5 odin's or 500$.
The 7* shards - good ( RNG again) T4 alpha - good Titan shards 5k - not good Glorious games champs/ awakening gem/ sig stones - not good or good ( depends if you really like any of them or roster is limited ) 1-2 genric - bad SBC - do I really need to?
Without actually going over the quantity of rewards lets analyse the quality for 5 Odin's worth and then decide...( Also don't compare it to cyber weekend or add the 10*10 supply drop etc. Just as a stand alone event)
we're gonna compare it to cyber weekend because it was 3 weeks apart...
i am too lazy to do the work and come up with the exact differences because nobody wants to listen, but look at it, the banquet is much better.
there's a lot more materials in the banquet milestones than these 3 items in green shown below and they both cost 15k units. banquet technically costs less than 14k...
it's not even close. banquet blows it away...
edit: and also we can't just buy the bottom tier on cyber we have to spend so it's even more expensive
I’m not necessarily commenting on the banquet event - but just correcting you on cyber weekend.
You could’ve actually got 2 of the 3rd deal in tier two and 1 of the 2nd deal in tier 3. - this would cost 13k units and for that you get … - enough to r3 3x 7 star champs and a 7 star champ selector?!
A much better deal in my opinion?!
we couldn't pick and choose from each tier, we had to unlock them first (look at the text to the right the of "tiers").
we had to spend 5k units just to unlock tier 2 and 15k to unlock tier 3. if you want the 2023 selector deal in tier 3 it's going to cost 20k units.
which ones would you have picked?
4th offer in t1 (7* basic, 10x sigs) x2 for 5000? 3rd offer in t2 x 2 for 8000?
startropics does NOT wanna get off Kabam's D.😝💀 Crashed ain't giving you an autograph bud, simply swallow your ego and accept that your singular opinion does not overshadow the facts and the experience of thousands of others.
it's not an opinion. the SBCs are piss poor value and the milestones are great. kabam should have done a better job at messaging.
but this is about hurt feelings more than anything else. the community is mad that kabam didn't "ask nicely", "come correct", or to "their liking", in a manner that would comfort their fee-fees to the maximum extend possible. and since that didn't happen we get the same clueless ignorant mob mentality that we've always gotten.
is 1000+ FUs to dave "constructive criticism"?
I mean by better job at messaging, you mean not spend 3 months hyping these trash crystals up? Not purposefully misleading us by saying it’s only 50% filler? Or tell us that it’s all 7star relevant but in irrelevant quantities?
a reasonable person would see or feel the droprates then understand the value in the milestones and get over it, but some of these people don't care.
the community wants blood and acts as if they've been deeply wronged on such a cosmic scale that that no amount of contrition by kabam could ever make up for it.
it's irrational online cancel culture behavior and gross and they should grow the hell up imo.
i'm not referring to you bigblue, but to others...nobody was "wronged", the event is fine, nobody is forcing you to spend, you're grown ass person with a mind of your own, now stop pretending to be a victim and get over it.
Even the drop rates are misleading though. The crystal says 10% chance to get signature stones… so they made it 2…
13% chance to get 7star shards but the amounts vary and can be as low as 1k.
I’m not saying I agree with those that are proclaiming we were cosmically wronged. But Kabam has been like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown on this one with the way they obfuscated and continue to do with this event.
They may not have outright lied, but good liars can use the truth to do it, and that’s what this feels like. Nobody like to be lied too and the team did exactly that through half truths and wordplay.
I get that you think pointing at the milestones makes you seem like the rational port on a storm of irrational outrage… but I think you are under valuing the righteous anger of those that legitimately feel tricked. It seems like we don’t disagree to much on that point about the crystals being horrible. I just think you are overvaluing the milestones, while you think me and others disappointed are undervaluing them.
Sure they are ok… but this is a game… and this event is not fun because of this poorly designed crystal. And then you go back review the messaging leading up to the event and it just feels gross and the journey to get those milestones feels gross and slimey every time you open a crystal. Personally I rate this event as worse than last years
I’m glad I couldn’t log on when banquet started. By the time I did, many were complaining the crystals were trash. I opened enough to get the deathless piece. Now I’m sitting back and waiting to see if the realm milestones are hit. I’m sure I’m not the only one.
And as far as the rewards I have already gotten, I have t3a and t6b overflowing now. It’s so annoying to keep getting these when we can’t even sell them. I’m going to have to use it to rank up some champs that I have no desire to rank up just so it doesn’t go completely to waste.
I still struggle to see the value even in the milestones
for 15k..
60k 7* shards 5k titan shards enough t4 alpha for 2 r3s... 3 7* glorious guardian champs (some who are very good) 7* glorious guardians awakening gem 70 7* glorious guardians sig stones 30 7* generic sigs 1-2 generic bunch of necessary catalysts (t6c, t5c, t6b, t3a) 7* isophyne
plus....2 more 7* basics and a 7* nexus
plus whatever you pulled from those SBCs, which is a cherry on top.
for 15k this is very solid. how much would just a 2-3 generic gem cost with units 5 weeks ago?
So, we are talking of 5 odin's or 500$.
The 7* shards - good ( RNG again) T4 alpha - good Titan shards 5k - not good Glorious games champs/ awakening gem/ sig stones - not good or good ( depends if you really like any of them or roster is limited ) 1-2 genric - bad SBC - do I really need to?
Without actually going over the quantity of rewards lets analyse the quality for 5 Odin's worth and then decide...( Also don't compare it to cyber weekend or add the 10*10 supply drop etc. Just as a stand alone event)
we're gonna compare it to cyber weekend because it was 3 weeks apart...
i am too lazy to do the work and come up with the exact differences because nobody wants to listen, but look at it, the banquet is much better.
there's a lot more materials in the banquet milestones than these 3 items in green shown below and they both cost 15k units. banquet technically costs less than 14k...
it's not even close. banquet blows it away...
edit: and also we can't just buy the bottom tier on cyber we have to spend so it's even more expensive
I’m not necessarily commenting on the banquet event - but just correcting you on cyber weekend.
You could’ve actually got 2 of the 3rd deal in tier two and 1 of the 2nd deal in tier 3. - this would cost 13k units and for that you get … - enough to r3 3x 7 star champs and a 7 star champ selector?!
A much better deal in my opinion?!
we couldn't pick and choose from each tier, we had to unlock them first (look at the text to the right the of "tiers").
we had to spend 5k units just to unlock tier 2 and 15k to unlock tier 3. if you want the 2023 selector deal in tier 3 it's going to cost 20k units.
which ones would you have picked?
4th offer in t1 (7* basic, 10x sigs) x2 for 5000? 3rd offer in t2 x 2 for 8000?
for 13.85k units and assuming we hit all global targets the banquet gives:
6 7* basics 1 7* nexus 2x 1-2 gem 6 t4a 30 generics 14 t6c 14 t5c 3 guardians champions 7* awakening gem 7* guardians awakening gem 70 7* guardian sig stones 7* isophyne dupe 5k titan shards a bunch of stuff from 50 SBCs...
we're paying 6k units less and getting a ton more stuff, it's not even close.
Again, it's pointless comparing it to cyber. The cyber weekend is done and dusted, if it were running simultaneously with the banquet it makes sense to compare. Listing all the stuff is great but like i mentioned earlier , is it worth 15k? ( Quantity vs quality -It will vary greatly with individual rosters) Unlike the cyber weekend, people were expecting a lot more from banquet considering it was the 10th year anniversary and all that. Maybe lower milestone costs? Maybe better SBC drop rates ? While banquet has always been a spending/whale event ,maybe everyone thought it might be different this time. So no matter what event you compare it to or analyse each and every milestone/reward , it has not lived up to expectations.
I still struggle to see the value even in the milestones
for 15k..
60k 7* shards 5k titan shards enough t4 alpha for 2 r3s... 3 7* glorious guardian champs (some who are very good) 7* glorious guardians awakening gem 70 7* glorious guardians sig stones 30 7* generic sigs 1-2 generic bunch of necessary catalysts (t6c, t5c, t6b, t3a) 7* isophyne
plus....2 more 7* basics and a 7* nexus
plus whatever you pulled from those SBCs, which is a cherry on top.
for 15k this is very solid. how much would just a 2-3 generic gem cost with units 5 weeks ago?
So, we are talking of 5 odin's or 500$.
The 7* shards - good ( RNG again) T4 alpha - good Titan shards 5k - not good Glorious games champs/ awakening gem/ sig stones - not good or good ( depends if you really like any of them or roster is limited ) 1-2 genric - bad SBC - do I really need to?
Without actually going over the quantity of rewards lets analyse the quality for 5 Odin's worth and then decide...( Also don't compare it to cyber weekend or add the 10*10 supply drop etc. Just as a stand alone event)
we're gonna compare it to cyber weekend because it was 3 weeks apart...
i am too lazy to do the work and come up with the exact differences because nobody wants to listen, but look at it, the banquet is much better.
there's a lot more materials in the banquet milestones than these 3 items in green shown below and they both cost 15k units. banquet technically costs less than 14k...
it's not even close. banquet blows it away...
edit: and also we can't just buy the bottom tier on cyber we have to spend so it's even more expensive
I’m not necessarily commenting on the banquet event - but just correcting you on cyber weekend.
You could’ve actually got 2 of the 3rd deal in tier two and 1 of the 2nd deal in tier 3. - this would cost 13k units and for that you get … - enough to r3 3x 7 star champs and a 7 star champ selector?!
A much better deal in my opinion?!
we couldn't pick and choose from each tier, we had to unlock them first (look at the text to the right the of "tiers").
we had to spend 5k units just to unlock tier 2 and 15k to unlock tier 3. if you want the 2023 selector deal in tier 3 it's going to cost 20k units.
which ones would you have picked?
4th offer in t1 (7* basic, 10x sigs) x2 for 5000? 3rd offer in t2 x 2 for 8000?
for 13.85k units and assuming we hit all global targets the banquet gives:
6 7* basics 1 7* nexus 2x 1-2 gem 6 t4a 30 generics 14 t6c 14 t5c 3 guardians champions 7* awakening gem 7* guardians awakening gem 70 7* guardian sig stones 7* isophyne dupe 5k titan shards a bunch of stuff from 50 SBCs...
we're paying 6k units less and getting a ton more stuff, it's not even close.
My comment is about cyber deals - and again you are wrong in your calculation and wanted to correct you
Yes it was 20k to get to the champ selector - but if you want to include that it then means it gives resources to take 3 and almost 4 lots of 7 star champs to r3 plus a bunch of other items on top of that if you chose your deals carefully (not just a single rank up gem plus other things in your list - read the deals closely). . I know as I actually spent the 20k - and I got Onslaught (a much better champ in my opinion than most of the champs you can get in banquet) and enough to r3 an additional 4 of my 7 star champs. (In hindsight given what I am seeing and reading I’m glad I spent it there rather than saving for banquet.- I don’t need more champs - I need the resources to take them to r3 (and I was hoping r4 but that looks unlikely for a long time/!). And even with rank up resources - I don’t need more t5 or t6 class catalysts, or or t3 alpha or t6 basic. I don’t need gold and don’t need iso (can’t sell my overflow quickly enough). I know AG are highly valued but my own personal opinion is they are over-rated - I’m happy to be patient and awaken when I can without spending just to get an AG.
It looks like only the massive big speeding whales will get the chance to r4 champs in the short term the way they set banquet up - despite what they say about not letting the whales gap us - this banquet will lead to an even bigger gap as the top few rank rewards give multiple r4s which will go the the biggest absolute whales. Just compare the bottom few rank rewards to the top few rank rewards and it’s an astounding gap.
Now I don’t mind that personally because I know the big spending whales make money for Kabam so they can keep the lights on and the game keeps going for the rest of us. I understand how the game works - and so I’m actually not even remotely upset by banquet because it was as I expected (the reason why I chose to spend my units on cyber rather than banquet) - banquet has always and will always be about dangling a carrot in front on the whales to spend and giving the rest of us fillers so that hopefully we don’t feel as bad.
For Kabam to say they set this up so whales won’t get much more than everyone else from this banquet is false. A simple look at the rank rewards makes this obvious. As I said - I don’t mind that as I know that’s exactly what banquet is about and is needed to keep the game going. Just be honest and say it and I would be fine with it?! Don’t be false and pretend and try to makes fools of the community by saying otherwise.
‘We set this up so it doesn’t advantage the whales because don’t worry, you can also get the same 7 star Isophyne and a few other fillers … don’t worry the whales gadget the same … (just don’t look at their rank rewards where afterwards they can r4 Onslaught, Serpent, Enchantress, Bullseye and maybe one or two more) …. We didn’t want to give them an extra advantage …. (Good luck in battlegrounds) … so remember … you can get a 7 star Isophyne … hooray?!!’
And the rewards you say are available to everyone assumes the community reaches those rewards which may not happen. And even if they do - in order to qualify - you have to spend roughly 15-18k units (that’s a lot for FTP).
Cyber weekend and banquet both have deals to entice whales. For the rest of us - banquet is better if you get extremely lucky but for the 99% cyber weekend offers better value. Kabam actually said as much on their livestream?!
I wonder how much less the backlash against banquet would’ve been if Kabam were just open and honest and said we are giving deals to entice the whales because we need to in order to keep the game going and the rest of you won’t get as much so that we don’t ruin the game economy more than necessary but you will still have the chance to get a few things rather than trying to pump up the event the way they did?
I don’t want to keep arguing about this - and as mentioned i wasn’t making a comment about banquet that you are fiercely defending?! And as mentioned I’m actually not upset by banquet as I’m realistic about what it is and what it represents and I’m free to participate or not so no skin off my nose?!
I just wanted to make these comments because I don’t like falseness and the scenario that is pushed about banquet having fabulous things for everyone?!
Yes it can have fabulous things for some. But some haven’t had that - and some are choosing to stay away knowing they are unlikely to get fabulous things.
It’s about as great for everyone as the phrase from George Orwell’s Animal Farm - everyone is equal …. but some are more equal than others?!
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I could counter propose you do the same. What’s the point of screaming into the wind about milestones on multiple threads today?
Crashed ain't giving you an autograph bud, simply swallow your ego and accept that your singular opinion does not overshadow the facts and the experience of thousands of others.
Problem is I'm waiting for the realm, the banquet crystal drop rate ain't helping to fuel a self sustaining crystal opening mania
Other than a 7* nexus crystal, the rest I got were similar to everyone else
if you're upset that you can't spend on more SBCs, i get it, but that's how they designed the event. but we're still getting a bunch of good stuff for relatively good value.
take a step back and look at as a whole. y'all mad about the packaging and not its contents. the contents are good and they're there...
I am sitting at 29k Points and 15k units. Any more assumptions?
No 7 stars, titans, or keys. Best things I got was enough fragments to make about 1.5 T4A and I got 500 awakening shards 2 times. Nothing else from my 300 unit Valiant crystals.
but this is about hurt feelings more than anything else. the community is mad that kabam didn't "ask nicely", "come correct", or to "their liking", in a manner that would comfort their fee-fees to the maximum extend possible. and since that didn't happen we get the same clueless ignorant mob mentality that we've always gotten.
is 1000+ FUs to dave "constructive criticism"?
Even in their own thread about how bad it is, it's had 805 comments and crickets from Kabam.
the community wants blood and acts as if they've been deeply wronged on such a cosmic scale that that no amount of contrition by kabam could ever make up for it.
it's irrational online cancel culture behavior and gross and they should grow the hell up imo.
i'm not referring to you bigblue, but to others...nobody was "wronged", the event is fine, nobody is forcing you to spend, you're grown ass person with a mind of your own, now stop pretending to be a victim and get over it.
This guy spent almost $5,000
Should post all those bad pulls, sorry
The 7* shards - good ( RNG again)
T4 alpha - good
Titan shards 5k - not good
Glorious games champs/ awakening gem/ sig stones - not good or good ( depends if you really like any of them or roster is limited )
1-2 genric - bad
SBC - do I really need to?
Without actually going over the quantity of rewards lets analyse the quality for 5 Odin's worth and then decide...( Also don't compare it to cyber weekend or add the 10*10 supply drop etc. Just as a stand alone event)
i am too lazy to do the work and come up with the exact differences because nobody wants to listen, but look at it, the banquet is much better.
there's a lot more materials in the banquet milestones than these 3 items in green shown below and they both cost 15k units. banquet technically costs less than 14k...
it's not even close. banquet blows it away...
edit: and also we can't just buy the bottom tier on cyber we have to spend so it's even more expensive
You could’ve actually got 2 of the 3rd deal in tier two and 1 of the 2nd deal in tier 3.
- this would cost 13k units and for that you get …
- enough to r3 3x 7 star champs and a 7 star champ selector?!
A much better deal in my opinion?!
we had to spend 5k units just to unlock tier 2 and 15k to unlock tier 3. if you want the 2023 selector deal in tier 3 it's going to cost 20k units.
which ones would you have picked?
4th offer in t1 (7* basic, 10x sigs) x2 for 5000?
3rd offer in t2 x 2 for 8000?
still short 2000 to unlock tier 3...
so we buy the 5th offer in t1 (1-2 gem) for 2000?
that's 15k units...
plus 5000 more for the 2023 selector
so for 20000 units cyber monday would give us:
2 7* basics
1-2 gem
6 t4a
50 generics
12 t6c
12 t5c
2023 selector
2-3 gem
that's a lot less than what the banquet gives
for 13.85k units and assuming we hit all global targets the banquet gives:
6 7* basics
1 7* nexus
2x 1-2 gem
6 t4a
30 generics
14 t6c
14 t5c
3 guardians champions
7* awakening gem
7* guardians awakening gem
70 7* guardian sig stones
7* isophyne dupe
5k titan shards
a bunch of stuff from 50 SBCs...
we're paying 6k units less and getting a ton more stuff, it's not even close.
13% chance to get 7star shards but the amounts vary and can be as low as 1k.
I’m not saying I agree with those that are proclaiming we were cosmically wronged. But Kabam has been like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown on this one with the way they obfuscated and continue to do with this event.
They may not have outright lied, but good liars can use the truth to do it, and that’s what this feels like. Nobody like to be lied too and the team did exactly that through half truths and wordplay.
I get that you think pointing at the milestones makes you seem like the rational port on a storm of irrational outrage… but I think you are under valuing the righteous anger of those that legitimately feel tricked. It seems like we don’t disagree to much on that point about the crystals being horrible. I just think you are overvaluing the milestones, while you think me and others disappointed are undervaluing them.
Sure they are ok… but this is a game… and this event is not fun because of this poorly designed crystal. And then you go back review the messaging leading up to the event and it just feels gross and the journey to get those milestones feels gross and slimey every time you open a crystal. Personally I rate this event as worse than last years
And as far as the rewards I have already gotten, I have t3a and t6b overflowing now. It’s so annoying to keep getting these when we can’t even sell them. I’m going to have to use it to rank up some champs that I have no desire to rank up just so it doesn’t go completely to waste.
Listing all the stuff is great but like i mentioned earlier , is it worth 15k? ( Quantity vs quality -It will vary greatly with individual rosters)
Unlike the cyber weekend, people were expecting a lot more from banquet considering it was the 10th year anniversary and all that. Maybe lower milestone costs? Maybe better SBC drop rates ?
While banquet has always been a spending/whale event ,maybe everyone thought it might be different this time.
So no matter what event you compare it to or analyse each and every milestone/reward , it has not lived up to expectations.
Yes it was 20k to get to the champ selector - but if you want to include that it then means it gives resources to take 3 and almost 4 lots of 7 star champs to r3 plus a bunch of other items on top of that if you chose your deals carefully (not just a single rank up gem plus other things in your list - read the deals closely).
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I know as I actually spent the 20k - and I got Onslaught (a much better champ in my opinion than most of the champs you can get in banquet) and enough to r3 an additional 4 of my 7 star champs. (In hindsight given what I am seeing and reading I’m glad I spent it there rather than saving for banquet.- I don’t need more champs - I need the resources to take them to r3 (and I was hoping r4 but that looks unlikely for a long time/!). And even with rank up resources - I don’t need more t5 or t6 class catalysts, or or t3 alpha or t6 basic. I don’t need gold and don’t need iso (can’t sell my overflow quickly enough). I know AG are highly valued but my own personal opinion is they are over-rated - I’m happy to be patient and awaken when I can without spending just to get an AG.
It looks like only the massive big speeding whales will get the chance to r4 champs in the short term the way they set banquet up - despite what they say about not letting the whales gap us - this banquet will lead to an even bigger gap as the top few rank rewards give multiple r4s which will go the the biggest absolute whales. Just compare the bottom few rank rewards to the top few rank rewards and it’s an astounding gap.
Now I don’t mind that personally because I know the big spending whales make money for Kabam so they can keep the lights on and the game keeps going for the rest of us. I understand how the game works - and so I’m actually not even remotely upset by banquet because it was as I expected (the reason why I chose to spend my units on cyber rather than banquet) - banquet has always and will always be about dangling a carrot in front on the whales to spend and giving the rest of us fillers so that hopefully we don’t feel as bad.
For Kabam to say they set this up so whales won’t get much more than everyone else from this banquet is false. A simple look at the rank rewards makes this obvious. As I said - I don’t mind that as I know that’s exactly what banquet is about and is needed to keep the game going. Just be honest and say it and I would be fine with it?! Don’t be false and pretend and try to makes fools of the community by saying otherwise.
‘We set this up so it doesn’t advantage the whales because don’t worry, you can also get the same 7 star Isophyne and a few other fillers … don’t worry the whales gadget the same … (just don’t look at their rank rewards where afterwards they can r4 Onslaught, Serpent, Enchantress, Bullseye and maybe one or two more) …. We didn’t want to give them an extra advantage …. (Good luck in battlegrounds) … so remember … you can get a 7 star Isophyne … hooray?!!’
And the rewards you say are available to everyone assumes the community reaches those rewards which may not happen. And even if they do - in order to qualify - you have to spend roughly 15-18k units (that’s a lot for FTP).
Cyber weekend and banquet both have deals to entice whales. For the rest of us - banquet is better if you get extremely lucky but for the 99% cyber weekend offers better value. Kabam actually said as much on their livestream?!
I wonder how much less the backlash against banquet would’ve been if Kabam were just open and honest and said we are giving deals to entice the whales because we need to in order to keep the game going and the rest of you won’t get as much so that we don’t ruin the game economy more than necessary but you will still have the chance to get a few things rather than trying to pump up the event the way they did?
I don’t want to keep arguing about this - and as mentioned i wasn’t making a comment about banquet that you are fiercely defending?! And as mentioned I’m actually not upset by banquet as I’m realistic about what it is and what it represents and I’m free to participate or not so no skin off my nose?!
I just wanted to make these comments because I don’t like falseness and the scenario that is pushed about banquet having fabulous things for everyone?!
Yes it can have fabulous things for some. But some haven’t had that - and some are choosing to stay away knowing they are unlikely to get fabulous things.
It’s about as great for everyone as the phrase from George Orwell’s Animal Farm - everyone is equal …. but some are more equal than others?!