@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
Pause. I’m fine with mega whale valiants being ahead, they always are… that’s the normal.
It’s not normal for others in the highest progression tier to be lumped in with 2 lower progression tiers. Just like it’s not normal for new players to be given access to all the same features as an Uncollected player. It defeats the point of progressing based on in game achievements to lump them like this. The whole point of progression is that there are multiple levels of gate keeping.
Basically you are stating that you are ok with no gate keeping of other progression levels and that cash is the only thing that matters.
How TF is that a healthy place for the game to be in?
cash is the lifeblood of the game. banquet and the few big spending events keep the game going and they have to maximize the value they get from the next chase item or the game is at risk.
when something new comes out they charge kidney level prices while putting the 2nd best item in the junk clearance section (r3s).
whales just donated their kidneys, we're not moving up much, and the "scrub tiers" are going wild with new r3s.
there is literally no space for us non-whale valiants to grow.....at the moment. when the banquet dust settles and they get r4s and the paragons and TB'ers get their r3s, we will start chipping away at r4s with valiant-specific objectives, content, and offers (the TB'ers and paragons won't), so it all works out and the divide between us and them will grow as it naturally does.
I’m not arguing against cash… so cool we agree there. The root problem seems to be the current progression system being based more on rank ups than playing the game. Then it’s exacerbated by their inability to make flesh out progression tiers before launching the next one.
The realm events are making it all even worse too as now end game rewards are going to accounts even more immature.
It’s fine giving people ways to catch up to the end game but the end game still should mean something too. There a balance problem thanks to all this.
@startropics I really don't get you... I am saying "Man this strawberries are not sweet" and your argument is that "Well this strawberries are better than the plums from a month ago".... What on earth are you even talking about.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
Pause. I’m fine with mega whale valiants being ahead, they always are… that’s the normal.
It’s not normal for others in the highest progression tier to be lumped in with 2 lower progression tiers. Just like it’s not normal for new players to be given access to all the same features as an Uncollected player. It defeats the point of progressing based on in game achievements to lump them like this. The whole point of progression is that there are multiple levels of gate keeping.
Basically you are stating that you are ok with no gate keeping of other progression levels and that cash is the only thing that matters.
How TF is that a healthy place for the game to be in?
cash is the lifeblood of the game. banquet and the few big spending events keep the game going and they have to maximize the value they get from the next chase item or the game is at risk.
when something new comes out they charge kidney level prices while putting the 2nd best item in the junk clearance section (r3s).
whales just donated their kidneys, we're not moving up much, and the "scrub tiers" are going wild with new r3s.
there is literally no space for us non-whale valiants to grow.....at the moment. when the banquet dust settles and they get r4s and the paragons and TB'ers get their r3s, we will start chipping away at r4s with valiant-specific objectives, content, and offers (the TB'ers and paragons won't), so it all works out and the divide between us and them will grow as it naturally does.
I’m not arguing against cash… so cool we agree there. The root problem seems to be the current progression system being based more on rank ups than playing the game. Then it’s exacerbated by their inability to make flesh out progression tiers before launching the next one.
The realm events are making it all even worse too as now end game rewards are going to accounts even more immature.
It’s fine giving people ways to catch up to the end game but the end game still should mean something too. There a balance problem thanks to all this.
yeah man. every year since 5.4 rewards have shifted from doing content to a store transaction, so i feel ya, and don't necessarily like it, but it is what it is lol.
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
thats such a dismissive way of looking at thing that was there any other event where units could have been better spent- no , so the event where we spent our units was good and should not complaint
in this manner kabam can design **** events and just do slightly better everytime completely disregarding the economy of the game and wants and need of the players
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
if you go to your favorite store and they're selling item X and 4 weeks later you get much more of it for the same price, do you complain?
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
if you go to your favorite store and they're selling item X and 4 weeks later you get much more of it for the same price, do you complain?
Hey thickskull did I say CM was worse than Banquet? I said the Banquet was trash. So your argument is that Banquet was good because it was better than CM?... Well they were both trash If you go to your favorite store and see and item you like, lets say sneakers, do you starting thinking about the leather jacket you bought last month?
The only data you should pay attention to @Kabam Crashed is the video openings on YouTube see people “enjoy” the experience of opening Superior Banquet Crystals. Did the community open a whole lot of them? Yes! Did they enjoy doing it? NOPE!
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
if you go to your favorite store and they're selling item X and 4 weeks later you get much more of it for the same price, do you complain?
Hey thickskull did I say CM was worse than Banquet? I said the Banquet was trash. So your argument is that Banquet was good because it was better than CM?... Well they were both trash If you go to your favorite store and see and item you like, lets say sneakers, do you starting thinking about the leather jacket you bought last month?
if i look at an item, i compare it to other prices on the market. in this case compare it to an event from 4 weeks earlier. it’s not rocket science and i don’t care how they marketed it or what the ads looked like.
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
if you go to your favorite store and they're selling item X and 4 weeks later you get much more of it for the same price, do you complain?
Hey thickskull did I say CM was worse than Banquet? I said the Banquet was trash. So your argument is that Banquet was good because it was better than CM?... Well they were both trash If you go to your favorite store and see and item you like, lets say sneakers, do you starting thinking about the leather jacket you bought last month?
if i look at an item, i compare it to other prices on the market. in this case compare it to an event from 4 weeks earlier. it’s not rocket science and i don’t care how they marketed it or what the ads looked like.
Except of one issue, I am not comparing events I am criticizing one event.... See the difference? Want me to be more clear and make you feel better? YES YOU ARE RIGHT, banquet was way better than CM; but banquet was still trash, so imagine how I felt about CM?
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
Pause. I’m fine with mega whale valiants being ahead, they always are… that’s the normal.
It’s not normal for others in the highest progression tier to be lumped in with 2 lower progression tiers. Just like it’s not normal for new players to be given access to all the same features as an Uncollected player. It defeats the point of progressing based on in game achievements to lump them like this. The whole point of progression is that there are multiple levels of gate keeping.
Basically you are stating that you are ok with no gate keeping of other progression levels and that cash is the only thing that matters.
How TF is that a healthy place for the game to be in?
cash is the lifeblood of the game. banquet and the few big spending events keep the game going and they have to maximize the value they get from the next chase item or the game is at risk.
when something new comes out they charge kidney level prices while putting the 2nd best item in the junk clearance section (r3s).
whales just donated their kidneys, we're not moving up much, and the "scrub tiers" are going wild with new r3s.
there is literally no space for us non-whale valiants to grow.....at the moment. when the banquet dust settles and they get r4s and the paragons and TB'ers get their r3s, we will start chipping away at r4s with valiant-specific objectives, content, and offers (the TB'ers and paragons won't), so it all works out and the divide between us and them will grow as it naturally does.
“Few big spending events…” gone are the days of J4, Cyber and Banquet / gifting. We get major spending events every other month now.
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
if you go to your favorite store and they're selling item X and 4 weeks later you get much more of it for the same price, do you complain?
Hey thickskull did I say CM was worse than Banquet? I said the Banquet was trash. So your argument is that Banquet was good because it was better than CM?... Well they were both trash If you go to your favorite store and see and item you like, lets say sneakers, do you starting thinking about the leather jacket you bought last month?
if i look at an item, i compare it to other prices on the market. in this case compare it to an event from 4 weeks earlier. it’s not rocket science and i don’t care how they marketed it or what the ads looked like.
Except of one issue, I am not comparing events I am criticizing one event.... See the difference? Want me to be more clear and make you feel better? YES YOU ARE RIGHT, banquet was way better than CM; but banquet was still trash, so imagine how I felt about CM?
if you think banquet was trash, then i honestly can't help you.
The only data you should pay attention to @Kabam Crashed is the video openings on YouTube see people “enjoy” the experience of opening Superior Banquet Crystals. Did the community open a whole lot of them? Yes! Did they enjoy doing it? NOPE!
SBCs alone were trash, but they were just a means to an end and they existed to get us the milestones. it's a shame most players don't look at it that way.
if kabam sold me a bag of chips for $1000 and threw in a car worth $40k for free, i wouldn't moan about overpriced chips i would see the total value of what i'm getting.
spinning crystals was supposed to be a big part of the fun, i get that, but maybe next year.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
Pause. I’m fine with mega whale valiants being ahead, they always are… that’s the normal.
It’s not normal for others in the highest progression tier to be lumped in with 2 lower progression tiers. Just like it’s not normal for new players to be given access to all the same features as an Uncollected player. It defeats the point of progressing based on in game achievements to lump them like this. The whole point of progression is that there are multiple levels of gate keeping.
Basically you are stating that you are ok with no gate keeping of other progression levels and that cash is the only thing that matters.
How TF is that a healthy place for the game to be in?
cash is the lifeblood of the game. banquet and the few big spending events keep the game going and they have to maximize the value they get from the next chase item or the game is at risk.
when something new comes out they charge kidney level prices while putting the 2nd best item in the junk clearance section (r3s).
whales just donated their kidneys, we're not moving up much, and the "scrub tiers" are going wild with new r3s.
there is literally no space for us non-whale valiants to grow.....at the moment. when the banquet dust settles and they get r4s and the paragons and TB'ers get their r3s, we will start chipping away at r4s with valiant-specific objectives, content, and offers (the TB'ers and paragons won't), so it all works out and the divide between us and them will grow as it naturally does.
“Few big spending events…” gone are the days of J4, Cyber and Banquet / gifting. We get major spending events every other month now.
fair point, but the more spending events they have the less valuable each one is because the iron law of this game is f2p always has to catch up.
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
if you go to your favorite store and they're selling item X and 4 weeks later you get much more of it for the same price, do you complain?
Hey thickskull did I say CM was worse than Banquet? I said the Banquet was trash. So your argument is that Banquet was good because it was better than CM?... Well they were both trash If you go to your favorite store and see and item you like, lets say sneakers, do you starting thinking about the leather jacket you bought last month?
if i look at an item, i compare it to other prices on the market. in this case compare it to an event from 4 weeks earlier. it’s not rocket science and i don’t care how they marketed it or what the ads looked like.
Except of one issue, I am not comparing events I am criticizing one event.... See the difference? Want me to be more clear and make you feel better? YES YOU ARE RIGHT, banquet was way better than CM; but banquet was still trash, so imagine how I felt about CM?
if you think banquet was trash, then i honestly can't help you.
@BringPopcorn you have a 21k unit budget. look at this list and tell me exactly what you would get in the exact quantities and we will compare it to the banquet. keep in mind you have to a spend a minimum amount before unlocking the next tier...
And we keep going over this nonsense compare it to last years CM dude, why are you comparing the banquet? The only way I would have told you that you are right is if both events prizes had been released at the same time. CM is CM, 4th is 4th, Banquet is Banquet. Wanna compare it to the Omega event? Or the count nefaria sale too?...Hell lets compare to the spring cleaning and dooblons event too might as well. Poolies too!
it's last MONTH'S banquet, to be precise.
you're avoiding this because you know 21k units in the banquet was much better spent than cyber. since you're not willing to have a good faith discussion i'm out.
Cool story and what is your point? Am I discussing the value of 21k Units? I am not, because I AM NOT COMPARING IT WITH CM. I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith? Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
like it or not you have to compare it to current market.
Well **** lets compare it to a 7* champion at 9.5k units then too.. for 21k you can get at least 2.. I guess every event is good then...
you compare it to current day prices, not the 1950s or the 1920s.
like it or not your units were better spent on banquet than on cyber monday and it's not even close. but feel free to keep being mad.
Once again who is comparing prices? You are to support your nonsense. I am criticizing an event regardless of units spent. Your whole argument is well banquet was better than CM... Who asked you to compare them? Are we going based on pure market value of units? Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion.... This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
if you go to your favorite store and they're selling item X and 4 weeks later you get much more of it for the same price, do you complain?
Hey thickskull did I say CM was worse than Banquet? I said the Banquet was trash. So your argument is that Banquet was good because it was better than CM?... Well they were both trash If you go to your favorite store and see and item you like, lets say sneakers, do you starting thinking about the leather jacket you bought last month?
if i look at an item, i compare it to other prices on the market. in this case compare it to an event from 4 weeks earlier. it’s not rocket science and i don’t care how they marketed it or what the ads looked like.
Except of one issue, I am not comparing events I am criticizing one event.... See the difference? Want me to be more clear and make you feel better? YES YOU ARE RIGHT, banquet was way better than CM; but banquet was still trash, so imagine how I felt about CM?
if you think banquet was trash, then i honestly can't help you.
Dude, no one asked for help, specially from you... Not sure where you got this messiah complex from. You don't work for Kabam as far as I know, not sure why you think you have any means to help even if I was asking for any, which I am not....
Also the fact the livestream was prerecorded just goes to show you didn’t want to face the community backlash.
I'm curious to know what difference it would make being live or pre-recorded. They don't have to answer things said in chat. It's not a Q & A. They've already "faced" the backlash. They've told you that the problem wasn't the crystals but more so that they overvalued the keys. They've made several posts, answered on discord etc.. what more do you want them to answer?
I want to know in what way crashed measures this as a success. I have not seen this much backlash in a long time. Like 99% of the community in agreement that it was horrible then the few like you and gw with a brown nose being the 1% minority always defending them. I would love to see crashed’s analytics that he shows in any way this event was a success. Words are words. Proof is in the evidence. Now go put your head back where it belongs.
He didn't say it was resounding success but it's more successful than how you're thinking of it.
like I said words are words. I would love to see the evidence to support it.
Weren't you pushing a boycott? What evidence would suffice for someone with that position?
The issue is he's talking about their goals from a data perspective, which is fair. That's what they base everything on. If their objectives were met through the data, then that shows the Event as a success. Unfortunately, the disparity is between the data and the feedback and I'm afraid no matter how much noise we make, if people put the numbers up, then that's going to reflect. Which is why there's nothing more they can add. They could say, "We see you're not happy.". That wouldn't help anything. It would just enflame the situation. None of the suggested solutions were feasible. Redoing the Crystal code...refunding people their Units....giving people twice the Crystals....all of that was unreasonable. Sorry to be the one to say it, but it was. So there's nothing much else they can say until they look at the results. This wasn't the type of Event that could be adjusted on the spot like that. They added some extras through the Milestones. That's the best we were going to get.
What does the push for a boycott have to do with anything? As far as analytics just looking at the in game leaderboard for the realm you can see the quick steep drops in scores. That alone shows how much of a failure it was overall. In the past the scores were close to each other and had less evident drop offs so close together. Go have a look in game.
It has a great deal to do with someone who may not be open to anything they say at that point.
The only data you should pay attention to @Kabam Crashed is the video openings on YouTube see people “enjoy” the experience of opening Superior Banquet Crystals. Did the community open a whole lot of them? Yes! Did they enjoy doing it? NOPE!
SBCs alone were trash, but they were just a means to an end and they existed to get us the milestones. it's a shame most players don't look at it that way.
if kabam sold me a bag of chips for $1000 and threw in a car worth $40k for free, i wouldn't moan about overpriced chips i would see the total value of what i'm getting.
spinning crystals was supposed to be a big part of the fun, i get that, but maybe next year.
From what I have seen, most people are complaining about the crystals, not the milestones
Me personally, I was a fan of the milestones. I was NOT, however, a fan of the crystals. But if Kabam were to look at analytics, they wouldn’t see that. They would see that I spent all of my units on the Banquet event and therefore conclude that I was satisfied with it. I did NOT spend all of my units for the crystals. I spent all of my units for the milestones. That’s the #1 thing that I’m worried about when it comes to Kabam looking mainly at the analytics. The analytics have no way of separating which parts of the event players liked and didn’t like, since everything outside of the unit deals required players to buy Banquet Crystals to get any of the rewards.
I think the easiest way to convey my point would be a simple what-if scenario: what if the milestone rewards were purchasable through a separate rewards track OUTSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, with the prices adjusted to account for the fact that players wouldn’t be getting both the crystal and milestone rewards at the same time. The analytics would, I imagine, show that most players dumped all of their units into the milestone rewards and almost none of them into the Banquet Crystals. Kabam would then look at those analytics, see that no one was buying the crystals, and then decide that the community was overall unhappy with the crystals specifically, and that they needed to be buffed moving forward.
I am not offering this separation of rewards as a solution, I am simply creating the scenario to illustrate the point that the main issue stems from the crystals. I don’t think anyone would even bother with the crystals if they could get the milestone rewards without having to go through them, which reinforces why they need to be better in the future
The only data you should pay attention to @Kabam Crashed is the video openings on YouTube see people “enjoy” the experience of opening Superior Banquet Crystals. Did the community open a whole lot of them? Yes! Did they enjoy doing it? NOPE!
SBCs alone were trash, but they were just a means to an end and they existed to get us the milestones. it's a shame most players don't look at it that way.
if kabam sold me a bag of chips for $1000 and threw in a car worth $40k for free, i wouldn't moan about overpriced chips i would see the total value of what i'm getting.
spinning crystals was supposed to be a big part of the fun, i get that, but maybe next year.
From what I have seen, most people are complaining about the crystals, not the milestones
Me personally, I was a fan of the milestones. I was NOT, however, a fan of the crystals. But if Kabam were to look at analytics, they wouldn’t see that. They would see that I spent all of my units on the Banquet event and therefore conclude that I was satisfied with it. I did NOT spend all of my units for the crystals. I spent all of my units for the milestones. That’s the #1 thing that I’m worried about when it comes to Kabam looking mainly at the analytics. The analytics have no way of separating which parts of the event players liked and didn’t like, since everything outside of the unit deals required players to buy Banquet Crystals to get any of the rewards.
I think the easiest way to convey my point would be a simple what-if scenario: what if the milestone rewards were purchasable through a separate rewards track OUTSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, with the prices adjusted to account for the fact that players wouldn’t be getting both the crystal and milestone rewards at the same time. The analytics would, I imagine, show that most players dumped all of their units into the milestone rewards and almost none of them into the Banquet Crystals. Kabam would then look at those analytics, see that no one was buying the crystals, and then decide that the community was overall unhappy with the crystals specifically, and that they needed to be buffed moving forward.
I am not offering this separation of rewards as a solution, I am simply creating the scenario to illustrate the point that the main issue stems from the crystals. I don’t think anyone would even bother with the crystals if they could get the milestone rewards without having to go through them, which reinforces why they need to be better in the future
i agree with almost of this. the SBCs were poor value and i wouldn't touch them if they were separate from milestones.
the problem is players are benefiting from the milestones while complaining about the very thing that got them there. SBCs are the tools that got us to where we wanted and we can't condemn them after the fact.
i am sure kabam's data will show any problems that they will hopefully improve upon but i'm positive that they know us better than we know ourselves. actions are more important than words and how far we got in the milestones shows that we generally liked it.
The only data you should pay attention to @Kabam Crashed is the video openings on YouTube see people “enjoy” the experience of opening Superior Banquet Crystals. Did the community open a whole lot of them? Yes! Did they enjoy doing it? NOPE!
SBCs alone were trash, but they were just a means to an end and they existed to get us the milestones. it's a shame most players don't look at it that way.
if kabam sold me a bag of chips for $1000 and threw in a car worth $40k for free, i wouldn't moan about overpriced chips i would see the total value of what i'm getting.
spinning crystals was supposed to be a big part of the fun, i get that, but maybe next year.
From what I have seen, most people are complaining about the crystals, not the milestones
Me personally, I was a fan of the milestones. I was NOT, however, a fan of the crystals. But if Kabam were to look at analytics, they wouldn’t see that. They would see that I spent all of my units on the Banquet event and therefore conclude that I was satisfied with it. I did NOT spend all of my units for the crystals. I spent all of my units for the milestones. That’s the #1 thing that I’m worried about when it comes to Kabam looking mainly at the analytics. The analytics have no way of separating which parts of the event players liked and didn’t like, since everything outside of the unit deals required players to buy Banquet Crystals to get any of the rewards.
I think the easiest way to convey my point would be a simple what-if scenario: what if the milestone rewards were purchasable through a separate rewards track OUTSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, with the prices adjusted to account for the fact that players wouldn’t be getting both the crystal and milestone rewards at the same time. The analytics would, I imagine, show that most players dumped all of their units into the milestone rewards and almost none of them into the Banquet Crystals. Kabam would then look at those analytics, see that no one was buying the crystals, and then decide that the community was overall unhappy with the crystals specifically, and that they needed to be buffed moving forward.
I am not offering this separation of rewards as a solution, I am simply creating the scenario to illustrate the point that the main issue stems from the crystals. I don’t think anyone would even bother with the crystals if they could get the milestone rewards without having to go through them, which reinforces why they need to be better in the future
i agree with almost of this. the SBCs were poor value and i wouldn't touch them if they were separate from milestones.
the problem is players are benefiting from the milestones while complaining about the very thing that got them there. SBCs are the tools that got us to where we wanted and we can't condemn them after the fact.
i am sure kabam's data will show any problems that they will hopefully improve upon but i'm positive that they know us better than we know ourselves. actions are more important than words and how far we got in the milestones shows that we generally liked it.
Maybe it’s because it’s currently 2:40 AM for me and I’m fairly tired, but I really don’t understand your logic here. Are you saying that players shouldn’t be complaining about the crystals because they were forced to buy them to get the milestone rewards? Shouldn’t that be a reason for why they SHOULD be complaining?
The problem I have is that I’m being forced to buy something I don’t want, to get something I DO want. Wouldn’t it be better overall if everything was desirable? Maybe I’m acting like a kid who just wants more candy but the fact remains that it just doesn’t feel good to buy Banquet Crystals.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
Ah the usual "data"... Like others have already mentioned, you guys need to seriously reconsider how you measure things in MCOC instead of relying on so called data. You can make data say anything you want depending on how you look at it and manipulate it. You might look at total crystals opened and total spending and realize there's an increase so the event is successful. Great. If that's what you're going for good for you, here's a pat on the back.
You created an event, one that is the most expected throughout the year, people are going to participate in it regardless of its quality. The so called voicing minority consist of players who did engage with the event, spent their units and feel bad about what they got. It's not players who didn't engage at all. So you shouldn't consider participation and overall spending as the metric. The voicing minority (if it's really one) is disappointed. I hope you analyze thoroughly the thousands of comments on the other threads instead of pulling graphs from your sales team.
The only data you should pay attention to @Kabam Crashed is the video openings on YouTube see people “enjoy” the experience of opening Superior Banquet Crystals. Did the community open a whole lot of them? Yes! Did they enjoy doing it? NOPE!
SBCs alone were trash, but they were just a means to an end and they existed to get us the milestones. it's a shame most players don't look at it that way.
if kabam sold me a bag of chips for $1000 and threw in a car worth $40k for free, i wouldn't moan about overpriced chips i would see the total value of what i'm getting.
spinning crystals was supposed to be a big part of the fun, i get that, but maybe next year.
From what I have seen, most people are complaining about the crystals, not the milestones
Me personally, I was a fan of the milestones. I was NOT, however, a fan of the crystals. But if Kabam were to look at analytics, they wouldn’t see that. They would see that I spent all of my units on the Banquet event and therefore conclude that I was satisfied with it. I did NOT spend all of my units for the crystals. I spent all of my units for the milestones. That’s the #1 thing that I’m worried about when it comes to Kabam looking mainly at the analytics. The analytics have no way of separating which parts of the event players liked and didn’t like, since everything outside of the unit deals required players to buy Banquet Crystals to get any of the rewards.
I think the easiest way to convey my point would be a simple what-if scenario: what if the milestone rewards were purchasable through a separate rewards track OUTSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, with the prices adjusted to account for the fact that players wouldn’t be getting both the crystal and milestone rewards at the same time. The analytics would, I imagine, show that most players dumped all of their units into the milestone rewards and almost none of them into the Banquet Crystals. Kabam would then look at those analytics, see that no one was buying the crystals, and then decide that the community was overall unhappy with the crystals specifically, and that they needed to be buffed moving forward.
I am not offering this separation of rewards as a solution, I am simply creating the scenario to illustrate the point that the main issue stems from the crystals. I don’t think anyone would even bother with the crystals if they could get the milestone rewards without having to go through them, which reinforces why they need to be better in the future
i agree with almost of this. the SBCs were poor value and i wouldn't touch them if they were separate from milestones.
the problem is players are benefiting from the milestones while complaining about the very thing that got them there. SBCs are the tools that got us to where we wanted and we can't condemn them after the fact.
i am sure kabam's data will show any problems that they will hopefully improve upon but i'm positive that they know us better than we know ourselves. actions are more important than words and how far we got in the milestones shows that we generally liked it.
Maybe it’s because it’s currently 2:40 AM for me and I’m fairly tired, but I really don’t understand your logic here. Are you saying that players shouldn’t be complaining about the crystals because they were forced to buy them to get the milestone rewards? Shouldn’t that be a reason for why they SHOULD be complaining?
The problem I have is that I’m being forced to buy something I don’t want, to get something I DO want. Wouldn’t it be better overall if everything was desirable? Maybe I’m acting like a kid who just wants more candy but the fact remains that it just doesn’t feel good to buy Banquet Crystals.
i don't agree with the the framing of this. nobody is forcing us to buy crystals or do anything in this game so let's not externalize the blame to kabam. we have agency, we can think for ourselves.
it's really simple...we look at the terms of an offer and decide if we want it.
we can't complain about terms that we already agreed to. it's like reading the fine print, signing a contract then moaning about it. we saw the milestones, saw the crummy drop rates in the crystals and bought it anyway because we wanted the milestones.
we can ask kabam to reorder the deal next time so it LOOKS and FEELS better, but no one objectively got ripped off or scammed. overall it was good value.
I just want to add up and REMIND Kabam, that Isophyne dupe didn't give any shards, ISO etc. It s not Such a big deal, but it s really tiresome having to complain again and again and again for all these small things that add up to the general frustration, and eventually nothing actually happens.
I just want to add up and REMIND Kabam, that Isophyne dupe didn't give any shards, ISO etc. It s not Such a big deal, but it s really tiresome having to complain again and again and again for all these small things that add up to the general frustration, and eventually nothing actually happens.
Such irony that Isophyne grows ISO everywhere she goes and yet she gives 0 ISO when duped
I just want to add up and REMIND Kabam, that Isophyne dupe didn't give any shards, ISO etc. It s not Such a big deal, but it s really tiresome having to complain again and again and again for all these small things that add up to the general frustration, and eventually nothing actually happens.
Such irony that Isophyne grows ISO everywhere she goes and yet she gives 0 ISO when duped
600 titan shards equal to 60% of a stretch goal, that's significant for some players
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I am not willing to have a good faith discussion? Didn't you open a post saying people where whining or crying a lot? Is that good faith?
Not having good faith because I am criticizing the banquet and you keep on comparing it to CM?.... I GIVE 2 F and half about CM, I was not paired with a bunch of TBs in CM was I? What part of it don't you get? I am not comparing the value of 21k Units between Banquet and CM. I am criticizing the Banquet as a STANDALONE EVENT.
The realm events are making it all even worse too as now end game rewards are going to accounts even more immature.
It’s fine giving people ways to catch up to the end game but the end game still should mean something too. There a balance problem thanks to all this.
I am saying "Man this strawberries are not sweet" and your argument is that "Well this strawberries are better than the plums from a month ago"....
What on earth are you even talking about.
in this manner kabam can design **** events and just do slightly better everytime completely disregarding the economy of the game and wants and need of the players
Are we going based on pure market value of units?
Every event past, current and future is great then, because they are charging you 9.5k units for a single champion....
This is current, not 1950s or 1920s are we going to base the unit value based on every sale? Units are units right?
If you go to your favorite store and see and item you like, lets say sneakers, do you starting thinking about the leather jacket you bought last month?
Want me to be more clear and make you feel better? YES YOU ARE RIGHT, banquet was way better than CM; but banquet was still trash, so imagine how I felt about CM?
if kabam sold me a bag of chips for $1000 and threw in a car worth $40k for free, i wouldn't moan about overpriced chips i would see the total value of what i'm getting.
spinning crystals was supposed to be a big part of the fun, i get that, but maybe next year.
Not sure where you got this messiah complex from. You don't work for Kabam as far as I know, not sure why you think you have any means to help even if I was asking for any, which I am not....
Me personally, I was a fan of the milestones. I was NOT, however, a fan of the crystals. But if Kabam were to look at analytics, they wouldn’t see that. They would see that I spent all of my units on the Banquet event and therefore conclude that I was satisfied with it. I did NOT spend all of my units for the crystals. I spent all of my units for the milestones. That’s the #1 thing that I’m worried about when it comes to Kabam looking mainly at the analytics. The analytics have no way of separating which parts of the event players liked and didn’t like, since everything outside of the unit deals required players to buy Banquet Crystals to get any of the rewards.
I think the easiest way to convey my point would be a simple what-if scenario: what if the milestone rewards were purchasable through a separate rewards track OUTSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, with the prices adjusted to account for the fact that players wouldn’t be getting both the crystal and milestone rewards at the same time. The analytics would, I imagine, show that most players dumped all of their units into the milestone rewards and almost none of them into the Banquet Crystals. Kabam would then look at those analytics, see that no one was buying the crystals, and then decide that the community was overall unhappy with the crystals specifically, and that they needed to be buffed moving forward.
I am not offering this separation of rewards as a solution, I am simply creating the scenario to illustrate the point that the main issue stems from the crystals. I don’t think anyone would even bother with the crystals if they could get the milestone rewards without having to go through them, which reinforces why they need to be better in the future
the problem is players are benefiting from the milestones while complaining about the very thing that got them there. SBCs are the tools that got us to where we wanted and we can't condemn them after the fact.
i am sure kabam's data will show any problems that they will hopefully improve upon but i'm positive that they know us better than we know ourselves. actions are more important than words and how far we got in the milestones shows that we generally liked it.
The problem I have is that I’m being forced to buy something I don’t want, to get something I DO want. Wouldn’t it be better overall if everything was desirable? Maybe I’m acting like a kid who just wants more candy but the fact remains that it just doesn’t feel good to buy Banquet Crystals.
Like others have already mentioned, you guys need to seriously reconsider how you measure things in MCOC instead of relying on so called data. You can make data say anything you want depending on how you look at it and manipulate it.
You might look at total crystals opened and total spending and realize there's an increase so the event is successful. Great. If that's what you're going for good for you, here's a pat on the back.
You created an event, one that is the most expected throughout the year, people are going to participate in it regardless of its quality. The so called voicing minority consist of players who did engage with the event, spent their units and feel bad about what they got. It's not players who didn't engage at all. So you shouldn't consider participation and overall spending as the metric. The voicing minority (if it's really one) is disappointed. I hope you analyze thoroughly the thousands of comments on the other threads instead of pulling graphs from your sales team.
it's really simple...we look at the terms of an offer and decide if we want it.
we can't complain about terms that we already agreed to. it's like reading the fine print, signing a contract then moaning about it. we saw the milestones, saw the crummy drop rates in the crystals and bought it anyway because we wanted the milestones.
we can ask kabam to reorder the deal next time so it LOOKS and FEELS better, but no one objectively got ripped off or scammed. overall it was good value.
It s not Such a big deal, but it s really tiresome having to complain again and again and again for all these small things that add up to the general frustration, and eventually nothing actually happens.