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On top of my head there is Thing who is immune to both Shock and Bleed.
Photon is only Bleed immune, but she got high energy resistant, and since most of Okoya damage is coming fom DoT, I can only imagine she would not be affective again them (who are some of the top Science Defender). These maybe more, I don't remember on top of my head either.
Outside of the Science (not even including Mutant) I think these are a lot more champs that immune to Bleed and Shock too.
I think a simple change to Shock to Rupture isn't gamebreak but just enough for her to take on more matches
Edit:- Sandman is also Bleed and Shock immune, while Count Nef is Bleed immune and 90% Shock resistance.
Seem a fair more Science champs Okoya would struggle to counter.
Dont forget nodes have resist or immunes or protections
I know we wouldn’t choose to bring Okoye on a High Energy Diet path, but yeah, conceptually it shows how this supposed advantage (two different DoT types) can actually be a disadvantage.
Proposed future “fix”:
Synergy with Shuri that turns her shock to plasma
Synergy with M’baku that turns her bleed to rupture
Bring my boy in game! with critical ruptures and major physical resistance and strong resistance to frostbite and coldsnap.
So the one thing I wish Okoye would have (or Kabam would change) and personally I think it would make her absolutely amazing and be Skill champions we all need as a 7*, while still remain balance and not OP.
If her Shock debuff was Rupture instead, it can be 50% less potent than her Bleed Debuff, it just mean that when a champ is immune to Bleed, the Rupture debuffs will pause. This would open her up to so many more fights. She could take someone like the Thing better, or Photon.
This is a small simple change, that would not make her unbalanced, while making her not complete useless on Bleed and Shock (or energy resistant) immune champs,
Are there any champions, I guess specifically science, that are bleed and shock immune? I genuinely can't remember but it at least seems like if you can't inflict both you'll be keeping the other up much more reliably.
So the one thing I wish Okoye would have (or Kabam would change) and personally I think it would make her absolutely amazing and be Skill champions we all need as a 7*, while still remain balance and not OP.
If her Shock debuff was Rupture instead, it can be 50% less potent than her Bleed Debuff, it just mean that when a champ is immune to Bleed, the Rupture debuffs will pause. This would open her up to so many more fights. She could take someone like the Thing better, or Photon.
This is a small simple change, that would not make her unbalanced, while making her not complete useless on Bleed and Shock (or energy resistant) immune champs,
Are there any champions, I guess specifically science, that are bleed and shock immune? I genuinely can't remember but it at least seems like if you can't inflict both you'll be keeping the other up much more reliably.
He just said 2 (photon is not immune but energy resistant so its a bad matchup). Korg is another. She basically cant do any mutants since they punish or resistant to shock. Her DOT is the 2 types of debuffs that have the most immunities , resistances, or punishments to inflict
Well thing being bleed immune isn't the worst thing in the world since she'll still manage him well with lots of Bleeds and her aar, and we'd have to see with photon how much he resistance actually reduces the damage. Korg seems like a bad matchup for her anyway and I don't think she really should be that great against mutants? I mean which mutants being resistant to shock are you talking about?
My point is that in terms of most matches, especially target matches, it's very unlikely that she going to come across characters that are completely immune to her abilities
On top of my head there is Thing who is immune to both Shock and Bleed.
Photon is only Bleed immune, but she got high energy resistant, and since most of Okoya damage is coming fom DoT, I can only imagine she would not be affective again them (who are some of the top Science Defender). These maybe more, I don't remember on top of my head either.
Outside of the Science (not even including Mutant) I think these are a lot more champs that immune to Bleed and Shock too.
I think a simple change to Shock to Rupture isn't gamebreak but just enough for her to take on more matches
Edit:- Sandman is also Bleed and Shock immune, while Count Nef is Bleed immune and 90% Shock resistance.
Seem a fair more Science champs Okoya would struggle to counter.
She'll still be a good thing counter with her constant bleed and daar though, we'd have to see how photon works after the vicious is applied. Sandman does still get countered by bleed even though he's immune
My point is that I really don't think she going to come across that many matches that are immune to both of her dot effects in a way that is all that impactful to her target matches.
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
The easiest evade counter is venoms vs spider verse u just get kyntar buff which activates at start done no evades lol
Better synergy with at least the black panthers shuri one makes her better to play as ur not rushing to get the refresh up as the shocks now gonna last longer
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
The easiest evade counter is venoms vs spider verse u just get kyntar buff which activates at start done no evades lol
But Okoye can dex against any champion and it isn’t restricted by class disadvantage
On top of my head there is Thing who is immune to both Shock and Bleed.
Photon is only Bleed immune, but she got high energy resistant, and since most of Okoya damage is coming fom DoT, I can only imagine she would not be affective again them (who are some of the top Science Defender). These maybe more, I don't remember on top of my head either.
Outside of the Science (not even including Mutant) I think these are a lot more champs that immune to Bleed and Shock too.
I think a simple change to Shock to Rupture isn't gamebreak but just enough for her to take on more matches
Edit:- Sandman is also Bleed and Shock immune, while Count Nef is Bleed immune and 90% Shock resistance.
Seem a fair more Science champs Okoya would struggle to counter.
She'll still be a good thing counter with her constant bleed and daar though, we'd have to see how photon works after the vicious is applied. Sandman does still get countered by bleed even though he's immune
My point is that I really don't think she going to come across that many matches that are immune to both of her dot effects in a way that is all that impactful to her target matches.
Tbh thing doesnt need champs with bleed but what she lacks is damage without dots so i dont see her going against thing sandman or photon as her damage is pure dots
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
Im pretty sure ensnare reduces ability accuracy of evades (correct me if im wrong) and kabam's been spamming bonus ability accuracy for defenders or straight up immunity so that also limits it
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
I think saying lots of champions having bleed resistance is being a little facetious. Most champs that have that are mutants who she shouldn't be used against
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
The easiest evade counter is venoms vs spider verse u just get kyntar buff which activates at start done no evades lol
That's great if you're fighting one of what, 8 champions in the game
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
Im pretty sure ensnare reduces ability accuracy of evades (correct me if im wrong) and kabam's been spamming bonus ability accuracy for defenders or straight up immunity so that also limits it
Ensnare prevents evade outright and reduces ability accuracy
On top of my head there is Thing who is immune to both Shock and Bleed.
Photon is only Bleed immune, but she got high energy resistant, and since most of Okoya damage is coming fom DoT, I can only imagine she would not be affective again them (who are some of the top Science Defender). These maybe more, I don't remember on top of my head either.
Outside of the Science (not even including Mutant) I think these are a lot more champs that immune to Bleed and Shock too.
I think a simple change to Shock to Rupture isn't gamebreak but just enough for her to take on more matches
Edit:- Sandman is also Bleed and Shock immune, while Count Nef is Bleed immune and 90% Shock resistance.
Seem a fair more Science champs Okoya would struggle to counter.
Dont forget nodes have resist or immunes or protections
I know we wouldn’t choose to bring Okoye on a High Energy Diet path, but yeah, conceptually it shows how this supposed advantage (two different DoT types) can actually be a disadvantage.
Proposed future “fix”:
Synergy with Shuri that turns her shock to plasma
Synergy with M’baku that turns her bleed to rupture
Bring my boy in game! with critical ruptures and major physical resistance and strong resistance to frostbite and coldsnap.
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
Im pretty sure ensnare reduces ability accuracy of evades (correct me if im wrong) and kabam's been spamming bonus ability accuracy for defenders or straight up immunity so that also limits it
Ensnare prevents evade outright and reduces ability accuracy
If that evade prevention isn't AAR, that means she's viable vs Bullseye?
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
I think saying lots of champions having bleed resistance is being a little facetious. Most champs that have that are mutants who she shouldn't be used against
herc knull and beta ray bill r 3 i can think of off the top of my head. its not the most common resistance but its still very much there
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
The easiest evade counter is venoms vs spider verse u just get kyntar buff which activates at start done no evades lol
Nah it's prof x hold heavy for 1.5 sec and you can ignore evade from everyone except techs for entire fight (and also miss)
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
Yeah exactly, people love to hype up champs upon their release, but then the hype dies down and they realize the champ either lacks damage (the case of Negasonic) or in this case with Okoye , utility
But she has one of the easiest accessible evade counters. Dodge once and you can counter evade. So even if she doesn’t have much utility, that piece of utility is pretty useful. Plus shock and bleeds are valuable for certain nodes, like Safeguard
The easiest evade counter is venoms vs spider verse u just get kyntar buff which activates at start done no evades lol
Nah it's prof x hold heavy for 1.5 sec and you can ignore evade from everyone except techs for entire fight (and also miss)
The problem is other than using the 2 debuffs with the most common immunities (also shock being countered by high energy res and lots of champs having 50-90% bleed resistance), her only utility is seemingly evade countering
I think saying lots of champions having bleed resistance is being a little facetious. Most champs that have that are mutants who she shouldn't be used against
herc knull and beta ray bill r 3 i can think of off the top of my head. its not the most common resistance but its still very much there
That's 50% bleed resistance and only bill has shock immunity
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Synergy with Shuri that turns her shock to plasma
Synergy with M’baku that turns her bleed to rupture
Bring my boy in game! with critical ruptures and major physical resistance and strong resistance to frostbite and coldsnap.
Rupture can't be spammed as a dot ability then we get more rupture immune defenders in future, more than they have planned.
My point is that in terms of most matches, especially target matches, it's very unlikely that she going to come across characters that are completely immune to her abilities
My point is that I really don't think she going to come across that many matches that are immune to both of her dot effects in a way that is all that impactful to her target matches.
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