Why The Sigil Store Nerf?

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,801 ★★★★★

    Am I missing something here?
    Kabam decided to make a monthly recurring payment subscription feature that is better to buy intermittently? Let me explain, the only way to squeeze the most juice out of this new Sigil is if you have gathered everything to trade in the Black ISO store and manage to get the items within their reset timers. For example if you are at 50k 6* shards that trade for 1 7* crystal at 150k shards is worthless unless you manage to get 100k more within the month. And that goes for every single item that has better value in trade.

    If you're thinking in terms of relative to the usual purchases, it's more value than the Star Lord Loot Bag for example.
    Now, in terms of the 6* Featured leaving, I'm not sure why that was removed, or the Shard trade-in. That would make more sense to keep and just gate the 7* Crystals if the concern was choices. That much I'm not sure of.
    I think the overall idea is to have some higher-end value that Players can save towards and some smaller value on an ongoing basis. Which this certainly achieves.
    It's only 10 dollars USD a month, after all.
    I am not thinking on unit value. I am comparing old sigil to this one. This is a monthly renewed subscription that is better to buy whenever you have the most items to trade and cancel when you don't. This is completely backwards.
    I'm talking the total value. The previous Sigil didn't even have anything to appeal to Valiant besides the 7* Crystal and the usual building lower Items up.
    This one doesn't have much either....
    It has a Titan, an extra 7* to trade in for, and a T4A.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 6,690 ★★★★★
    edited January 28

    Am I missing something here?
    Kabam decided to make a monthly recurring payment subscription feature that is better to buy intermittently? Let me explain, the only way to squeeze the most juice out of this new Sigil is if you have gathered everything to trade in the Black ISO store and manage to get the items within their reset timers. For example if you are at 50k 6* shards that trade for 1 7* crystal at 150k shards is worthless unless you manage to get 100k more within the month. And that goes for every single item that has better value in trade.

    If you're thinking in terms of relative to the usual purchases, it's more value than the Star Lord Loot Bag for example.
    Now, in terms of the 6* Featured leaving, I'm not sure why that was removed, or the Shard trade-in. That would make more sense to keep and just gate the 7* Crystals if the concern was choices. That much I'm not sure of.
    I think the overall idea is to have some higher-end value that Players can save towards and some smaller value on an ongoing basis. Which this certainly achieves.
    It's only 10 dollars USD a month, after all.
    I am not thinking on unit value. I am comparing old sigil to this one. This is a monthly renewed subscription that is better to buy whenever you have the most items to trade and cancel when you don't. This is completely backwards.
    I'm talking the total value. The previous Sigil didn't even have anything to appeal to Valiant besides the 7* Crystal and the usual building lower Items up.
    This one doesn't have much either....
    It has a Titan, an extra 7* to trade in for, and a T4A.
    Yes, so it has crapshoots on a 1 month timer, except for the t4a that is the only certain item.
    Would have made more sense to be able to buy everything in shards form instead of full crystal.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,801 ★★★★★

    Am I missing something here?
    Kabam decided to make a monthly recurring payment subscription feature that is better to buy intermittently? Let me explain, the only way to squeeze the most juice out of this new Sigil is if you have gathered everything to trade in the Black ISO store and manage to get the items within their reset timers. For example if you are at 50k 6* shards that trade for 1 7* crystal at 150k shards is worthless unless you manage to get 100k more within the month. And that goes for every single item that has better value in trade.

    If you're thinking in terms of relative to the usual purchases, it's more value than the Star Lord Loot Bag for example.
    Now, in terms of the 6* Featured leaving, I'm not sure why that was removed, or the Shard trade-in. That would make more sense to keep and just gate the 7* Crystals if the concern was choices. That much I'm not sure of.
    I think the overall idea is to have some higher-end value that Players can save towards and some smaller value on an ongoing basis. Which this certainly achieves.
    It's only 10 dollars USD a month, after all.
    I am not thinking on unit value. I am comparing old sigil to this one. This is a monthly renewed subscription that is better to buy whenever you have the most items to trade and cancel when you don't. This is completely backwards.
    I'm talking the total value. The previous Sigil didn't even have anything to appeal to Valiant besides the 7* Crystal and the usual building lower Items up.
    This one doesn't have much either....
    It has a Titan, an extra 7* to trade in for, and a T4A.
    Yes, so it has crapshoots on a 1 month timer, except for the t4a that is the only certain item.
    Would have made more sense to be able to buy everything in shards for instead of full crystal.
    What do you expect? Access to a Titan and another 7* every month for $10?
  • DeathmoreThanos49DeathmoreThanos49 Member Posts: 60 ★★
    @KabamOsaurusRex care to explain then why the boosts were changed from gold to 10 credits?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 6,690 ★★★★★
    Starhawk said:

    So where's the discount for paying automatically every month? I wish i was kidding but overall this makes this less of a deal than previously. at least for me. I used to be able to stretch a single month to just under 5 weeks which obviously cannot be done anymore.

    Kabam is really trying to make it hard to want to spend money on this game.

    in case anyone is wondering no i wasn't cheating. i just let my month expire and wouldn't renew until the following Monday....i figure i saved over time at least one or two subs

    They closed a loophole, there is no discount for recurring payments. What you are asking is a bit ridiculous.
  • LeinadSagravLeinadSagrav Member Posts: 25
    They removed the six star featured trade for 11k shards as well. Hope it is a bug since the five star featured crystal trade is still there
  • DeathmoreThanos49DeathmoreThanos49 Member Posts: 60 ★★
    Marvel contest of closing discussions and loopholes
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,256 Guardian

    Nobody who plays this game wants to share currency between health items and champion acquisition materials.

    Nobody who plays this game wants to die in fights, and that’s literally exactly why it happens.
  • INFAMOUS0028INFAMOUS0028 Member Posts: 26
    edited January 28
    Maybe they should bring back the 2 different sigil credits? So endgame players can save for champion options and still be able to aquire lower items such as revives or dust? Or is maybe double the monthly credits would not be too game breaking??
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,801 ★★★★★

    Am I missing something here?
    Kabam decided to make a monthly recurring payment subscription feature that is better to buy intermittently? Let me explain, the only way to squeeze the most juice out of this new Sigil is if you have gathered everything to trade in the Black ISO store and manage to get the items within their reset timers. For example if you are at 50k 6* shards that trade for 1 7* crystal at 150k shards is worthless unless you manage to get 100k more within the month. And that goes for every single item that has better value in trade.

    If you're thinking in terms of relative to the usual purchases, it's more value than the Star Lord Loot Bag for example.
    Now, in terms of the 6* Featured leaving, I'm not sure why that was removed, or the Shard trade-in. That would make more sense to keep and just gate the 7* Crystals if the concern was choices. That much I'm not sure of.
    I think the overall idea is to have some higher-end value that Players can save towards and some smaller value on an ongoing basis. Which this certainly achieves.
    It's only 10 dollars USD a month, after all.
    I am not thinking on unit value. I am comparing old sigil to this one. This is a monthly renewed subscription that is better to buy whenever you have the most items to trade and cancel when you don't. This is completely backwards.
    I'm talking the total value. The previous Sigil didn't even have anything to appeal to Valiant besides the 7* Crystal and the usual building lower Items up.
    This one doesn't have much either....
    It has a Titan, an extra 7* to trade in for, and a T4A.
    Yes, so it has crapshoots on a 1 month timer, except for the t4a that is the only certain item.
    Would have made more sense to be able to buy everything in shards for instead of full crystal.
    What do you expect? Access to a Titan and another 7* every month for $10?
    So you just omit the part where it says access to shards instead of full crystals?
    I mean you also say 1 titan and an extra 7* as if earning those was easy to buy together, its more of 1 or the other. And if you are talking about the trade you gotta have the 150k 6* shards to actually do the trade, They could have made it 10k 6* shards for 1k 7* shards.
    Having Shards and a one-stop trade-off is counterintuitive to promoting a subscription. Of course people can cancel at any time, but I suspect they want to encourage people to maintain a subscription over time with the biggest Rewards being cumulative, rather than a few Shards here and there.
  • UltragamerUltragamer Member Posts: 593 ★★★
    Thanks to the super daily event you get a ton of solo crystal shards and can get 10-20 of each boost weekly not the strongest version but all are nice to have
  • SearmenisSearmenis Member Posts: 1,712 ★★★★★
    I fyou guys haven't noticed, the 6-star Featured deal is also gone from the new Sigil store.
  • Twist1298Twist1298 Member Posts: 223

    No more test of valiant either? How the hell we suppose to earn credits? 🤦



    It's forcing people to spend money to get the credits from the store vs being able to play for them through objectives, definitely not a good idea at all
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 1,360 ★★★★

    Putting primordial dust into Sigil is a step in the right direction, I’m glad they listened to me.

    The 1 piece per month limit on a lot of these items however, is crazy.

    If I want to buy 10 4 star crystals and 100 Tier 1 primordial dust, I should be able to do it without a purchase limit, providing I have enough credits.

    Get this portion control tf outta here, and ffs let’s do a 180 from this charging Sigil credits for boosts and health items.

    Nobody who plays this game wants to share currency between health items and champion acquisition materials.

    And yes, I was joking about the kabam listening to me part, haha. They don't listen to anyone.
  • Shamir51Shamir51 Member Posts: 1,134 ★★★★
    Twist1298 said:

    No more test of valiant either? How the hell we suppose to earn credits? 🤦



    It's forcing people to spend money to get the credits from the store vs being able to play for them through objectives, definitely not a good idea at all

    So you're mad that Kabam us "forcing" you to lay down money for credits vs not "forcing" you to lay down money to get objectives to get the credits previously?

    Do you see how completely non-sensical your statement is?
  • Twist1298Twist1298 Member Posts: 223

    Thanks to the super daily event you get a ton of solo crystal shards and can get 10-20 of each boost weekly not the strongest version but all are nice to have

    The 20% boost does not appear in the Solo crystals often. Hence why being able to get them for a cheap amount of gold from the Sigil was a good thing.
  • Twist1298Twist1298 Member Posts: 223
    Shamir51 said:

    Twist1298 said:

    No more test of valiant either? How the hell we suppose to earn credits? 🤦



    It's forcing people to spend money to get the credits from the store vs being able to play for them through objectives, definitely not a good idea at all

    So you're mad that Kabam us "forcing" you to lay down money for credits vs not "forcing" you to lay down money to get objectives to get the credits previously?

    Do you see how completely non-sensical your statement is?
    Allow me to rephrase it this way while some things in the update are a W. Some things do feel like a L. I think losing out on 20%boost for Gold and the HP potions trade in is a L. Just like with the GoldPool daily going from once a week to Daily is good but I wish they had kept the amount at 150k instead of 100K and it also didn't cost energy to run the quest. Not saying everything about it is bad, just think some of the choices were a miss.
  • Shamir51Shamir51 Member Posts: 1,134 ★★★★
    Twist1298 said:

    Shamir51 said:

    Twist1298 said:

    No more test of valiant either? How the hell we suppose to earn credits? 🤦



    It's forcing people to spend money to get the credits from the store vs being able to play for them through objectives, definitely not a good idea at all

    So you're mad that Kabam us "forcing" you to lay down money for credits vs not "forcing" you to lay down money to get objectives to get the credits previously?

    Do you see how completely non-sensical your statement is?
    Allow me to rephrase it this way while some things in the update are a W. Some things do feel like a L. I think losing out on 20%boost for Gold and the HP potions trade in is a L. Just like with the GoldPool daily going from once a week to Daily is good but I wish they had kept the amount at 150k instead of 100K and it also didn't cost energy to run the quest. Not saying everything about it is bad, just think some of the choices were a miss.
    Yeah, that's not rephrased, that's completely changed.
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,318 ★★★★★
    edited January 28

    OldManHop said:

    ngl, I only got the sigil today to finally buy my 7* sigil witch and don't think I'll be continuing the subscription.

    I only got it to trade the 20 T3a for the T4a
    Same.

    Oh and to torture myself with another crushing Titan disappointment…



    Dr. Zola
  • INFAMOUS0028INFAMOUS0028 Member Posts: 26

    so, in summary, things to return to the store to make people want it again:
    -6 star featured crystal
    -lower shard for higher shard trade in
    -boosts for gold instead of credits
    -raise or remove the purchase limit for most items
    -HP potion trade in for higher potions

    Missing anything?

    More sigil tokens/ 2 separate types. Used to get 105 and now I only get 75. It needs to be doubled in my opinion. 150 for web store and 120 for ingame,.. if we are not going to have 2 separate credit types that is
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