Really didn’t expect a self destructing champion in 2025

Honestly built in recoil is such a turn off majority of the playerbase (I am telling this based on opinions I heard here and general reception to Ihulk). This makes him bad in both offence and defence.

Adding to all this he has like 0 regen in his kit, for an unstoppable based character with self destructing specials he should have some regen in his kit. He meditates after his matchup is done, they could have given him some regen which says if he wins a match gains 10% health in next match.

It has been so long we got a mutant a with regen, last I remember is Toad.

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dr2ws

One thing I will say is I wish they did a reduced potency thing like Surfer and Sinister has, that way with the Willpower mastery you can be healing some of it back.

BigPoppaCBONE

I expect the Psychotherapy synergy (almost certainly with a new version of Jean Grey) will address that in some way.

Edit: Never mind. Looks like it won't unless it comes from the Jean Grey side. That was a massive missed opportunity, Kabam.

ahmynuts

I think the idea is cool on paper since it's true to his character but in execution without anything to balance it out it doesn't work that well.

JLordVileJ

Give him a new relic (whenever new relics come out) where every so often he regens a certain amount. I haven't used him before, but hopefully this will solve the problem?

WednesdayLength

Honestly built in recoil is such a turn off majority of the playerbase (I am telling this based on opinions I heard here and general reception to Ihulk). This makes him bad in both offence and defence.

Adding to all this he has like 0 regen in his kit, for an unstoppable based character with self destructing specials he should have some regen in his kit. He meditates after his matchup is done, they could have given him some regen which says if he wins a match gains 10% health in next match.

It has been so long we got a mutant a with regen, last I remember is Toad.

People that think I hulk is bad are simply wrong lmao.

His damage is supposed to be mitigated by the sig or the option of not using the last daunted. He's not some self destruct button like everyone is making him out to be

Potatoslice500

Agree, the tradeoff damage isn't worth it, most new mutants do more without the drawback

Harryatomix

Give him a new relic (whenever new relics come out) where every so often he regens a certain amount. I haven't used him before, but hopefully this will solve the problem?

Sinister relic gives a bleed to mutants through which they can heal but gentle don't benefit from it cause bleed immune.

Harryatomix

The more I see of this the more worse he seems to me.

He is taking recoil damage on defense making him so much worse on defense, adding to it if you run him with recoil mastery you will take recoil+built-in recoil damage (who approved this kit man). He takes recoil on sp3 as well.

His crit rate increase on sp2 is not enough at all, skill defenders tend to have high crit resist, he should have guaranteed crits imo.

His utility is so niche that it won't show up anywhere other than bullseye. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only.

Overall I think we got the worst champ of 2025 in January itself it feels. If I am missing anything please comment.

WednesdayLength

The more I see of this the more worse he seems to me.

He is taking recoil damage on defense making him so much worse on defense, adding to it if you run him with recoil mastery you will take recoil+built-in recoil damage (who approved this kit man). He takes recoil on sp3 as well.

His crit rate increase on sp2 is not enough at all, skill defenders tend to have high crit resist, he should have guaranteed crits imo.

His utility is so niche that it won't show up anywhere other than bullseye. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only.

Overall I think we got the worst champ of 2025 in January itself it feels. If I am missing anything please comment.

He doesn't take extra recoil if you have recoil, it just increases the potency of his daunted. Maybe read his kit before calling him terrible when I assume you haven't played him

EdisonLaw

The more I see of this the more worse he seems to me.

He is taking recoil damage on defense making him so much worse on defense, adding to it if you run him with recoil mastery you will take recoil+built-in recoil damage (who approved this kit man). He takes recoil on sp3 as well.

His crit rate increase on sp2 is not enough at all, skill defenders tend to have high crit resist, he should have guaranteed crits imo.

His utility is so niche that it won't show up anywhere other than bullseye. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only.

Overall I think we got the worst champ of 2025 in January itself it feels. If I am missing anything please comment.

If you use a light ending combo to remove one muscle mass you won’t take recoil. If the sp2 at max mass kills the opponent, you won’t take recoil

Ortoun

The more I see of this the more worse he seems to me.

He is taking recoil damage on defense making him so much worse on defense, adding to it if you run him with recoil mastery you will take recoil+built-in recoil damage (who approved this kit man). He takes recoil on sp3 as well.

His crit rate increase on sp2 is not enough at all, skill defenders tend to have high crit resist, he should have guaranteed crits imo.

His utility is so niche that it won't show up anywhere other than bullseye. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only.

Overall I think we got the worst champ of 2025 in January itself it feels. If I am missing anything please comment.

Nightcrawler does instant bleeds, maybe monkey also? I'm less familiar with his kit. Plus it's not like there aren't a bunch of different nodes that can give other characters with bleeds an evade, or one's with evade a bleed.

DrZola

Zola’s Law: I pulled him as 7*, ergo he must not be terribly good.

Cf. Isophyne

Dr. Zola

Harryatomix

The more I see of this the more worse he seems to me.

He is taking recoil damage on defense making him so much worse on defense, adding to it if you run him with recoil mastery you will take recoil+built-in recoil damage (who approved this kit man). He takes recoil on sp3 as well.

His crit rate increase on sp2 is not enough at all, skill defenders tend to have high crit resist, he should have guaranteed crits imo.

His utility is so niche that it won't show up anywhere other than bullseye. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only.

Overall I think we got the worst champ of 2025 in January itself it feels. If I am missing anything please comment.
He doesn't take extra recoil if you have recoil, it just increases the potency of his daunted. Maybe read his kit before calling him terrible when I assume you haven't played him

https://youtu.be/YbM3_3mDSY4?si=Fmm6HthkzxmX0Ab2

Please take a look at this video, he is taking double damage with recoil. Of course I don’t have him, would love to test him tho.

Harryatomix

I have re read his kit, it says he don’t benefit from recoil mastery but it is not mentioned that he won’t take recoil damage from mastery.

Crcrcrc

everyone always hates on the awesome self damage champs

Magrailothos

. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only...

A few other champs that combine bleed and Evade:
- Domino
- Black Cat
- Hit-Monkey
- Moon Knight
- Ronin
- Any bleed champ on an Evade node
- Any Evade champ on a bleed node

Also, Pursuit triggers when the opponent purifies a debuff; so you can add: Any shrug-off champ on an Evade node / Any Evade champ on a Cleanse/Tenacity node

I agree that there aren't that many stand-alone champs this will be game-changing for, apart from Bullseye; but it'll definitely be useful when you're using him to clear Bleed or Tenacity lanes.

Chikel

. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only...
A few other champs that combine bleed and Evade:
- Domino
- Black Cat
- Hit-Monkey
- Moon Knight
- Ronin
- Any bleed champ on an Evade node
- Any Evade champ on a bleed node

Also, Pursuit triggers when the opponent purifies a debuff; so you can add: Any shrug-off champ on an Evade node / Any Evade champ on a Cleanse/Tenacity node

I agree that there aren't that many stand-alone champs this will be game-changing for, apart from Bullseye; but it'll definitely be useful when you're using him to clear Bleed or Tenacity lanes.

Ronin is literally the only champion on that list that will bleed you through block. Ideally you don't want to be taking hits, especially in Bgs or AW where Bullseye is an annoying defender.

Magrailothos

. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only...
A few other champs that combine bleed and Evade:
- Domino
- Black Cat
- Hit-Monkey
- Moon Knight
- Ronin
- Any bleed champ on an Evade node
- Any Evade champ on a bleed node

Also, Pursuit triggers when the opponent purifies a debuff; so you can add: Any shrug-off champ on an Evade node / Any Evade champ on a Cleanse/Tenacity node

I agree that there aren't that many stand-alone champs this will be game-changing for, apart from Bullseye; but it'll definitely be useful when you're using him to clear Bleed or Tenacity lanes.
...Ideally you don't want to be taking hits, especially in Bgs or AW....

Right. Don't get punched in the face.

Got it 👍.

I knew there was some clever strategy I was missing.

Playing this game is going to be so much easier, now...

Harryatomix

. Locking pursuit behind taking bleed effect is diabolical. Bullseye is the only champ who can both evade and bleed, they could have simply said pursuit against bullseye only...
A few other champs that combine bleed and Evade:
- Domino
- Black Cat
- Hit-Monkey
- Moon Knight
- Ronin
- Any bleed champ on an Evade node
- Any Evade champ on a bleed node

Also, Pursuit triggers when the opponent purifies a debuff; so you can add: Any shrug-off champ on an Evade node / Any Evade champ on a Cleanse/Tenacity node

I agree that there aren't that many stand-alone champs this will be game-changing for, apart from Bullseye; but it'll definitely be useful when you're using him to clear Bleed or Tenacity lanes.
Ronin is literally the only champion on that list that will bleed you through block. Ideally you don't want to be taking hits, especially in Bgs or AW where Bullseye is an annoying defender.

So you need an evade node and a tenacity node to access this, seems like an extremely niche thing to find.