Ares Boss Tomorrow, How Cooked Are You?

I think I can beat the first path and make it to Ares.

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A final phase that constantly rotates your controls? Clearly they’ve lost their minds and are only concerned with draining wallets. That is, until people actually tried him and realized he’s fine.
I agree with your overall post, but just want to point out that the last phase is total BS.

How many players can handle permanent reversed controls? Probably a good amount (let's say 50%).
How many players can handle phases of reversed controls? Probably still a good amount (let's say 40%).
How many players can handle normal controls but reversed controls during/after special? Probably an okay amount (let's say 30%).
How many players can handle constantly alternating controls? A very tiny amount (Conservatively would probably say <5%, and but I'd probably even say <1% of the playerbase can handle that)

If you didn't bring in a Reversed Control immune champion just for the last phase, that means that 95-99% of the playerbase is cooked. They'd either be hard stopped, or would have to burn a serious amount of revives. With the amount of time and resources to complete the path, and to get the boss down to the last phase, that is too great of an investment to just be stopped at the last 1% of health.

And bringing in a Reverse Control immune champion would potentially mean that a player is 'wasting' a spot that could have been used to handle the path or other phases of GM (yes, I know that Wiccan and other reverse control immunes can handle fights on the path. I'm just saying they probably wouldn't be player's first choice if they didn't need to bring a RC immune).

So in essence, this one 'design choice' is impossible for >95% of the player base, but becomes entirely frivolous just by bringing in a hard counter (reversed control immune).

That is neither fun (for >95% of the playerbase), nor a good way to create difficulty (since >95% of the playerbase will just ignore it).
If it were a normal fight I’d maybe agree, but it’s Necropolis, aka the literal highest level of content in the game until Epoch drops. If we say that only the top 1% of people can handle it, then I think that’s pretty good, that’s about the percentage of people I expect to tackle Necropolis. It should be “impossible” for a majority of players, this is the content where they don’t pull punches. And I’m speaking as someone who has personally done Nameless GM sans RC immunity twice (and thought it honestly wasn’t even that bad). It’s not an unlearnable mechanic if you want to try, most people just never even bothered.

Don't speak facts on the forums you'll get blasted

Joker1976

I’ll wait until all the inevitable bugs with this content drop are fixed 😅,..and maybe wait for a path guide.

ChaosMax1012

I have just enough revives to make it to greet ares and quit out

StuntzTheCMMKid

I have just enough revives to make it to greet ares and quit out

Lmao "hi and bye"

StuntzTheCMMKid

I might actually have to find a way to plug Wonder Woman herself into this fight 😂

FrostGiantLord

I'm not the best MCOC player, and I just spent all my revives on completing all the AOA Gauntlet objectives, so I'm probably gonna get to farming revives before attempting this. Also gotta wait for the goat MCOC Noob to drop a guide before jumping in, those guides have helped me save so much time and effort

captain_rogers

Oh boy, time to make more guides! Also got 450 free crystals so this should be fun.

Go get it Grootman.

Herbal_Taxman

I guess we never learn; the mere fact we're assuming that it's just going to start tomorrow without hella bugs is pretty optimistic.
I foresee 30 threads this weekend titled "Compensation for Ares Bug Disaster!!"
I think I will wait and let you heroes dip your toes in first before sacrificing all my revives; I'm not in the habit of using 100 revives to clear content. That's not playing, that's just spending...
same imma wait till the tide clears. I can see in 6 yrs. 10* Thanos endgame solos Epoch of pain in 5 mins world record.(MSD Jr.)(Or hairful Grant)(HairMCOC)
I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I myself initially got excited about this content and started hoarding revives to just revive my way through it. But on reflection, burning 100 revives to clear content like everyone here is bragging about doing isn't an achievement, it's just validating the game's encouragement of resource spending over skill.

If a challenge is designed well, it should be possible to clear it with skill, strategy, and maybe a few revives, not a hoarded stockpile.

If you need all these revives just to finish one quest, it encourages bad game design.

And when Kabam sees that players are willing to throw massive revive stacks at every new challenge, they have zero incentive to change how they design these challenges in the first place.

It's basically a spending party, and we all get "LEGEND" tags at the end.
Who spent 100 revives on content?? I didn't even use that many for my Necropolis run with Aegon 😂
I really think people are overblowing this. The path fights are all things we’ve seen (and many of us soloed) before. Slight tweaks, but nothing wildly out of band. Realistically, I think an average player with the appropriate roster could get through a path in 5-10 revives.

The first run against Ares, especially for people going in blind… that’s gonna be tough. Could definitely see it going for anywhere from 10-20 as you learn the fight. But he’s got a forgiveness mechanism built right in, so as long as you aren’t trying to get womped, you’ll ramp up each fight and eventually get him.

So I’ll estimate a high end 30 revive max for players of appropriate roster and skill (solid valiant, fielding a team of R2/R3 champs, but not running high tier war or BGs) for a first path clear.
can you give me an estimate, imma start with the mutant mystics path with an early Paragon account with a 7*r2 sig 80 Kush, 6* r4 asd sig 88 onslaught and sinister(r2) or dazzler(r2)? Note I have never done any of those fights.

Vaya con dios, homeboy.

WhatsGoodEnglish

I’m mega-cooked. I probably have enough revives and I should have more than enough units, but I took a long break from this game and only recently came back, so I am not familiar with any of the path fights. I’ll probably wait until all the major YouTubers do it and watch their guides, then do an initial clear of it in a couple weeks. Maybe one path per month unless someone finds an easy strategy. I think the fact that it has 6* gates is an indication that it won’t be too crazy. If they made the whole thing 7* only I would be extremely concerned

Ghostboytjie

I'm Ready

Polygon

Equints

Color coded fight while looking at things like this?

I think we are all cooked.

I think this is why they made it also based on the weapon, so incase your color blind, you can tell what to do whether he has a spear, axe, or the minigun.

Equints

I'm fine
bro I have some health potions and 30 revives idk if I can get through ares. Also do sidesteps count as intercepts?

No, only medium/light intercepts and counterpunch intercepts from thanos count (due to how his count for nodes aswell).

altavista

If it were a normal fight I’d maybe agree, but it’s Necropolis, aka the literal highest level of content in the game until Epoch drops. If we say that only the top 1% of people can handle it, then I think that’s pretty good, that’s about the percentage of people I expect to tackle Necropolis. It should be “impossible” for a majority of players, this is the content where they don’t pull punches. And I’m speaking as someone who has personally done Nameless GM sans RC immunity twice (and thought it honestly wasn’t even that bad). It’s not an unlearnable mechanic if you want to try, most people just never even bothered.

The mechanic is such total B.S. that Kabam had to officially insert a method to bypass it (RC immune).

It is totally bad game design. You know what is good game design? Phase 3. Players have to pick their poison of learning reversed controls or dealing with being at extremely low health. They can't just entirely choose to bypass the difficulty constraints. That maintains a level of difficulty for all players, regardless of which method they choose.

Sure, Skilled players can learn how to do phase 4. But the Unskilled players will just ignore the phase 4. If a fight is created to challenge the top 1%, having a method to completely remove any challenge runs contrary to that notion.

Friendly001

Today is the day.

Bendy

Hopefully dont need heals but i want at least 1 path done with these maybe 2 lol

BigBlueOx

I’ll wait to reserve final judgement but I find comparisons to the Nameless GM to miss the mark too. That’s a fun twist on a boss fight that is mostly enjoyed by a large segment of the community. And reverse controls aren’t uncommon at these days.

Ares kit reads like the pinnacle of overtuned mountain. Like the designer got bullied, sent to the principals office, fired by their boss, dumped by their girlfriend and grounded before being given the assignment. Possibly a swift kick to the ares as well… and just wants to watch the world burn 🔥

Most champions are going to be nerfed down to Blue Cyke, if not all of them, but because that wasn’t enough we all get auto degen’d to the same health to celebrate revive spam?

I hope if plays differently and is fun… but if it plays like it reads there’s probably going to be even more attrition which seems like the direction things are trending in…

PT_99

Kebem when someone plans to just Herc this new boss
😈

Bendy

Kebem when someone plans to just Herc this new boss
😈

U cant they made it so he gets power otherwise

Pseudouber

Pretty cooked. I'm tired of these overly complicated and dragging on fights. I just want to have fun playing and still able to rank up my champs. Its seemingly hard and hard and just not fun anymore. The fight have become more and more unpleasant to get the rewards you need to rank your champs now. I would have been psyched if it was like a notch above story mode new content. less and less playable fun content now. meh, I may do a lane at some point like I did in necro.

Bendy

Cosmic skill nebula lane done i got super cooked bad team but very fun ares fight though

captain_rogers

@bendy how man revives for ares fight and for path?

Bendy

@bendy how man revives for ares fight and for path?

All together as said was terrible as went with sable and angela with odin as i like the protection but i used 40 revives as mainly just sucked barley fight northstar photon rarely fought so terrible think on ares it was only just under 20 or 20 at most

Bendy

But im a learner by fighting so i got better at ares but just random specials threw me off rythme and the phase 3 hits u can only do in actions

Grootman1294

Any tips on how to react better to what special ares throws? I have a hard time telling if he's throwing sp1 or sp2 in the later phases and I'm getting rekt because of it

Bendy

Any tips on how to react better to what special ares throws? I have a hard time telling if he's throwing sp1 or sp2 in the later phases and I'm getting rekt because of it

Nope just gotta keep watching the weapon i died a lot on his special being a sp2 than sp1 and when im ready for a sp2 he used a sp1

BigBlueOx

The colors they picked for this are beyond dumb… can’t even distinguish the difference trying to learn it. Thankfully others have practiced and shared but horrible design on this element.

Chuck_Finley

Any tips on how to react better to what special ares throws? I have a hard time telling if he's throwing sp1 or sp2 in the later phases and I'm getting rekt because of it
Nope just gotta keep watching the weapon i died a lot on his special being a sp2 than sp1 and when im ready for a sp2 he used a sp1

Watching a couple of YouTubers do it - if you are going to revive a bunch anyway…maybe forget trying to guess. Just always treat it like it’s SP1. If it is, great. If not, oh well. Maybe it’s better to take the complexity out of it, be 50% right and forget it.

Bendy

Any tips on how to react better to what special ares throws? I have a hard time telling if he's throwing sp1 or sp2 in the later phases and I'm getting rekt because of it
Nope just gotta keep watching the weapon i died a lot on his special being a sp2 than sp1 and when im ready for a sp2 he used a sp1
Watching a couple of YouTubers do it - if you are going to revive a bunch anyway…maybe forget trying to guess. Just always treat it like it’s SP1. If it is, great. If not, oh well. Maybe it’s better to take the complexity out of it, be 50% right and forget it.

Yeah best to get the correct stuff for damage though

Friendly001

Revive stash before and after the first path, Serpent best.