Mystic R4 - Enchantress or Kushala?

Unfortunately, I got one of the worst gems, but it is what it is.

Main focus is BGs, so either attacker or defender is fine, just whichever benefits more.

I will say that Kushala may not need the r4 against cosmics, but against non cosmics like Domino, Korg or , Bullseye the extra rank would definitely be felt, and could lead to faster kills from sp1 spam?

Enchantress is top mystic defender rn (is she top 5 overall?) However, I heard torres will be hard counter

Comments

Glassback

I feel like enchantress will only get the ban hammer.

Kush will always slip through

T-DeAdLY-J

Enchantress so you never have to fight her again.

ViperOfChampion

Enchantress so you never have to fight her again.

unless the other guy also has an r4 enchantress

captain_rogers

Enchantress so you never have to fight her again.
unless the other guy also has an r4 enchantress

Still there is a high chance Atleast one of the guys is banning enchantress.

captain_rogers

Neither needs r4, is there any fun options you have? Some mystic you personally like? Like hood, wiccan, symbiote supreme, kindred?

Rayven5220

Kuchala if you only want to choose between the two.
Enchantress will always be banned at r4.

EdisonLaw

Chad Chantress

Herbal_Taxman

Kush will benefit immensely more from the rank than Enchantress.

Polygon

Kush will benefit immensely more from the rank than Enchantress.

@Herbal_Taxman with higher HP, wont you have to go through the hassle of removing her spells more often , which is where the window of error could increase? Also thoughts on kindred? Would he benefit?

Cloudddey_bro

Kush will benefit immensely more from the rank than Enchantress.

Defenders always get the better benefit than attackers for BGS when ranking. The health multiplier is the main factor here

SirGamesBond

You are not a BG grinder or even at the highest competition like 95% of the community.
Take kushala up and enjoy using a strong upgraded attacker for the intended purpose.
Stop overthinking.

Phantøm_Echø

I feel like enchantress will only get the ban hammer.

Kush will always slip through

Mine at rank 4 always get banned in BGs and I literally don't understand why as they end up losing to me banning their other mystic counters and consistently losing to my DThanos, Serpent, Maestro...

Polygon

I feel like enchantress will only get the ban hammer.

Kush will always slip through
Mine at rank 4 always get banned in BGs and I literally don't understand why as they end up losing to me banning their other mystic counters and consistently losing to my DThanos, Serpent, Maestro...

@Phantøm_Echø you regret it? Since you voted khsh

Rayven5220

I feel like enchantress will only get the ban hammer.

Kush will always slip through
Mine at rank 4 always get banned in BGs and I literally don't understand why as they end up losing to me banning their other mystic counters and consistently losing to my DThanos, Serpent, Maestro...

I don't understand that either.
If I raced a r4 kushala, that means I get to keep my r3 kushala and hope my defender takes a bit longer to kill than yours does.

The only time I ban a r4 is when I don't have them as a r3, or at all for thar matter.

Even if I'm still rocking the 6r5a (Serpent, Pig, Silk) I'm just gonna take my chances and hope I get a better draft.

Herbal_Taxman

Kush will benefit immensely more from the rank than Enchantress.
@Herbal_Taxman with higher HP, wont you have to go through the hassle of removing her spells more often , which is where the window of error could increase? Also thoughts on kindred? Would he benefit?

For me, the biggest factor with Enchantress is the RNg at the beginning of the fight. If she procs untouchable or unstoppable or whatever the evade one is called, she s probably going to win for you whether she’s r3 or r4.

I think the hypothesis that Kushala becomes much better against non-buff matchups is very sound.

Ultimately I think it depends on how big your r3 roster is, how quickly you tend to acquire rankup mats etc.

I’m assuming you don’t have a Chavez?

shield311

If midchantress works, she will even cook on r1 but if opponent is good enough, they can nuke in just 2 spell cycles, kushala would be much better for faster takedowns while also being useful everywhere else even if your focus is bgs unlike midchantress.

Polygon

Kush will benefit immensely more from the rank than Enchantress.
@Herbal_Taxman with higher HP, wont you have to go through the hassle of removing her spells more often , which is where the window of error could increase? Also thoughts on kindred? Would he benefit?

For me, the biggest factor with Enchantress is the RNg at the beginning of the fight. If she procs untouchable or unstoppable or whatever the evade one is called, she s probably going to win for you whether she’s r3 or r4.

I think the hypothesis that Kushala becomes much better against non-buff matchups is very sound.

Ultimately I think it depends on how big your r3 roster is, how quickly you tend to acquire rankup mats etc.

I’m assuming you don’t have a Chavez?

If midchantress works, she will even cook on r1 but if opponent is good enough, they can nuke in just 2 spell cycles, kushala would be much better for faster takedowns while also being useful everywhere else even if your focus is bgs unlike midchantress.

Keep in mind that an r4 Enchantress's block damage would be absolutely nasty (you are forced to hold block against her even if she doesnt proc the miss or evade). That and the higher health from the multiplier that @Cloudddey_bro mentioned also means you'd have to remove her spells more often.

@Beewee thoughts on this one?

peixemacaco

Amora and people will ban her

Herbal_Taxman

@Polygon what’d you decide?

Polygon

@Herbal_Taxman

Havent decided yet, I do have Chavez as well but I think Kushala's versatility in matchups she can take gives her the edge over her. That may change as new defenders like Zola come in.

Enchantress at r4 also seems nice as
1) even if she always gets banned rn, as we get our 2nd or 3rd r4, she wont be banned as often. Shes widely considered the best mystic defender and even science nukes can lose to her. Pretty sure shes probably top 5 or 10 defender overall

2) the higher health and attack rating would benefit her as shed take longer to kill , so more spells to remove. But more importantly all that block damage baiting her heavies would be even more at r4.

phillgreen

My personal rankup rule is that I want to use the champ so "mostly defenders" are out. I wouldn't r4 enchantress on that basis since I cant think of any content I'll use her on attack. My r3 is almost always banned in bgs

ChaosMax1012

Rank 4 attacker vs Rank 4 defender. Kushala can take out bullseyes, serpents and deathless thanos. She is one of the most viable attackers out there, and I wouldn’t even give it a second thought. And you know enchantress counters are going to sell hard soon in newer champs.