Titan Cadence Troubles

Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★
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With the current Titan pool rotation cadence being 90 days per pool, and every champ in the crystal going through three cycles before hitting the basic pool, it takes nine months for a champion to enter the basic.

For the champions who have already been released but just miss the Titan pool rotation, which today is Jean Grey and Bastion, it takes a full year for them to go from release to basic pool. Honestly, that’s ridiculous.

Not only is it much slower than the cadence was for 5/6* champions to go from featured to basic, it also results in the Titan pool becoming extremely boring. For an active endgame player, they will likely open a lot of Titan crystals. It’s not fun seeing the same champs in that crystal for so long.

I could go on about this for some time, but ultimately… it’s just bad. It’s really, really bad. Please make some kind of change to this, because this is an awful aspect of champion acquisition.
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  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,594 ★★★★★
    I thought JG and Bastion were going to enter the Titan pool in June?
    If not, then I have some Titans to open today....
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,902 ★★★★★
    It does make it slightly easier to use a Awken gem one those so you’re don’t have to the feeling great I dip it 3 weeks before entering basic
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,594 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    TotemCorruption said:

    I thought JG and Bastion were going to enter the Titan pool in June?
    If not, then I have some Titans to open today....

    Titan in June, yes. 90 days from now. Basic not for a full year.
    Ah, sorry, I misread that part.
    Isn't this delay what makes the Titan "valuable" though?
    I mean, if the entry into the basic pool was quicker, wouldn't fewer people seek out and spend money on Titans?
    Because I personally don't get the Titan hype, since there is a much higher chance I get a good pull for myself out of the basic as opposed to the Titan.
    If it didn't have that one or two or three champs that were going to be unavailable in the basic for a long time, the incentive to chase or pay for Titans would be almost zero...
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★
    TotemCorruption said:

    Wicket329 said:

    TotemCorruption said:

    I thought JG and Bastion were going to enter the Titan pool in June?
    If not, then I have some Titans to open today....

    Titan in June, yes. 90 days from now. Basic not for a full year.
    Ah, sorry, I misread that part.
    Isn't this delay what makes the Titan "valuable" though?
    I mean, if the entry into the basic pool was quicker, wouldn't fewer people seek out and spend money on Titans?
    Because I personally don't get the Titan hype, since there is a much higher chance I get a good pull for myself out of the basic as opposed to the Titan.
    If it didn't have that one or two or three champs that were going to be unavailable in the basic for a long time, the incentive to chase or pay for Titans would be almost zero...
    Prior to this year, each Titan rotation was two months rather than three, making a total of six months in the pool rather than nine. I think that was a good value proposition, and it was fairly consistent with the rate that champions would move into the lower rarity basic pools.

    Now they just stay there for what feels like forever. It results in people hoarding Titan crystals for months, waiting for the next rotation. Like, I actually cut short my spending in a recent event because I looked at what was in the webstore milestones, saw it was a Titan, said “there is nothing in the current Titan pool that I want this badly because I have most of the pool already,” and put my wallet away.

    Even now, after this rotation which objectively added some great champions, Titans still don’t feel great to open. They need to be cycled more frequently to maintain their novelty, and to move champions into a more widely accessible pool.
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★
    edited March 11
    DrZola said:

    Wicket329 said:

    With the current Titan pool rotation cadence being 90 days per pool, and every champ in the crystal going through three cycles before hitting the basic pool, it takes nine months for a champion to enter the basic.

    For the champions who have already been released but just miss the Titan pool rotation, which today is Jean Grey and Bastion, it takes a full year for them to go from release to basic pool. Honestly, that’s ridiculous.

    Not only is it much slower than the cadence was for 5/6* champions to go from featured to basic, it also results in the Titan pool becoming extremely boring. For an active endgame player, they will likely open a lot of Titan crystals. It’s not fun seeing the same champs in that crystal for so long.

    I could go on about this for some time, but ultimately… it’s just bad. It’s really, really bad. Please make some kind of change to this, because this is an awful aspect of champion acquisition.

    100% agree.

    Today’s Bill redupe for me highlights this problem—I had the champion back in August of 2024. He rolls out of the Titan sometime in summer 2025.

    Sure—it presents a great chance to grab him. But an even greater chance to grab him again and again and again.

    Dr. Zola
    Yeah, having a sig 100+ champ before they even hit the basic pool is not fun.
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 1,091 ★★★
    That's why people chase for Titan shards and they are more valuable than 7* shards .
    If not they why would people care about titan shards.
  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 973 ★★★★
    edited March 11
    Asher1_1 said:

    That's why people chase for Titan shards and they are more valuable than 7* shards .
    If not they why would people care about titan shards.

    Read what I said earlier below:

    Toyota_2015 said:

    TotemCorruption said:

    Wicket329 said:

    TotemCorruption said:

    I thought JG and Bastion were going to enter the Titan pool in June?
    If not, then I have some Titans to open today....

    Titan in June, yes. 90 days from now. Basic not for a full year.
    Ah, sorry, I misread that part.
    Isn't this delay what makes the Titan "valuable" though?
    I mean, if the entry into the basic pool was quicker, wouldn't fewer people seek out and spend money on Titans?
    Because I personally don't get the Titan hype, since there is a much higher chance I get a good pull for myself out of the basic as opposed to the Titan.
    If it didn't have that one or two or three champs that were going to be unavailable in the basic for a long time, the incentive to chase or pay for Titans would be almost zero...
    The main value of the Titan crystal is not only the fact it offers new champions, but it also offers them in a smaller pool, which increases your chances of getting them. The delay does increase the value of Titan crystals, yes, but it does so in a way that’s extremely frustrating. The crystals have value outside of the delay, so changing the way the delay system works or removing it entirely wouldn’t make Titans worthless.
  • N8buckeye08N8buckeye08 Member Posts: 443 ★★★
    Cat put out a graphic of the nearly 120 champs in the basic crystal. If you don’t get a champ in the Titan, it’s becoming harder and harder to get a new champ. I’d be curious to know what the current pace is of late-stage valiant FTP getting 7-star basics. @DNA3000 care to do some back of the napkin math on this?
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,777 ★★★★★
    N8buckeye08 said:

    Cat put out a graphic of the nearly 120 champs in the basic crystal. If you don’t get a champ in the Titan, it’s becoming harder and harder to get a new champ. I’d be curious to know what the current pace is of late-stage valiant FTP getting 7-star basics. @DNA3000 care to do some back of the napkin math on this?

    There are a couple factors not represented in that analysis. First is just a sheer numbers game. You’re gonna open substantially more basics than Titans overall. Second is atypical crystals. Class crystals are becoming fairly common both from content and in sales, and those only include basic pool champions. So if, for example, you were to do Epoch now and wanted to hold onto your tech crystal for Bastion in case you miss him in the Titan, you’re waiting a full year. Same goes for nexus basics and other similar things. The basic pool is way bigger, yes, but you get way more opportunities at it and can occasionally target smaller chunks of it.
  • UsagicassidyUsagicassidy Member Posts: 2,008 ★★★★★
    ^ Bingo. I just opened 3 Titan crystals that I've basically built up since November. That's only THREE crystals I was able to build up.

    In that same time, I would imagine I've opened up at least 30 regular 7* crystals.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,238 ★★★★★
    Completely agree OP. Current system is very unsatisfying and it was just made worse by the recent change.
  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Member Posts: 2,228 ★★★★★
    Yea im saving 3 titan nexus for june.

    And man regular titan pull are just as bad..

    I didnt want to dupe the cow or dupe red hulk.

    Like really??? Those champs in the titan pool.. especially when it takes so long to get them.

    I rather much have those 2 in basics but it’s the kinda champs where im not really excited to r3 them.

    Just because bastion and jean look so good, and I want Arnim aswel I have another 90 days to wait for a “chance” to pull them.


    I had to finally wait till today to finally pull scream.

    Like I said earlier..

    NOW that I think about it man 80k shards all together for a dupe red hulk and rintrah..

    80k shards saved.
    They decent but not champs I wana r3.

    I pulled them last Titan update and now today I dupe them lol.

    The June Titan pool looking really good then 4th of July will come and they will definitely have “sales” for Titan shards.

    Ima guess they did this to promote alotnof sales to get new champs.

    But mannnnnnm im 50/50’ with my pulls today.









    Well I got 3 Titan nexus and 2 regular titans saving again for June Titan pool.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,798 ★★★★★
    The alternative is they introduce 8* in 2 years
  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Member Posts: 2,228 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    The alternative is they introduce 8* in 2 years

    And we repeat the cycle again.

    You think 8* coming in 2 years? Ima say 3 lol.
  • AlmccarthyAlmccarthy Member Posts: 162 ★★
    I know this probably isn't possible but it would be great if they worked like the boxes we have been getting recently expect once a champion has been duped they get removed from the pool for you
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,798 ★★★★★
    ContestOfNoobs said:

    Buttehrs said:

    The alternative is they introduce 8* in 2 years

    And we repeat the cycle again.

    You think 8* coming in 2 years? Ima say 3 lol.
    2, 3 whichever. Extending the titan switch overs delays it longer.
  • N8buckeye08N8buckeye08 Member Posts: 443 ★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    N8buckeye08 said:

    Cat put out a graphic of the nearly 120 champs in the basic crystal. If you don’t get a champ in the Titan, it’s becoming harder and harder to get a new champ. I’d be curious to know what the current pace is of late-stage valiant FTP getting 7-star basics. @DNA3000 care to do some back of the napkin math on this?

    Because every player is different and how many of anything you get is heavily dependent on what modes you play and how much you play, it is difficult to say. If I had to guess, based on my own 7* acquisition rate and extrapolating to varying differences in play and (non) spending, I would say that the average F2P Valiant player is probably getting something between five and ten 7* basic crystals a month. Probably closer to five than ten, but in that range.
    That seems about right. It means you’re getting 60-120 crystals a year with odds of any given champ being 1/(~120 and growing). If you don’t get a few of the OP champs like Onslaught or Serpent when they’re in the Titan, you are going to start falling behind if you’re relying on a 6r5 ascended version to keep pace with 7r4.

    I’m guessing we’ll see more of the Epoch basic nexus crystals in the future to address the expanding basic pool.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,798 ★★★★★
    edited March 12
    Wicket329 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    The alternative is they introduce 8* in 2 years

    I don’t agree with this conclusion at all. New rarity rollouts have always been dictated by the vertical growth of rosters, not their horizontal growth. It’s when we have 7* r6 champs that we will see 8*s appear in the game, it has nothing to do with how many new 7* champions make their way to the basic pool.

    Now, from a monetization standpoint, I do know that Crashed has said they don’t want to use up their runway of older champs too quickly. I assume that is a factor in why the cadence was changed (and why the Eidols are being released in the way that they are).

    But there has to be a solution here that solves the “it takes up to 12 months for a champ to go from release to basic pool” problem that doesn’t require burning up that cache of monetizable releases. Maybe just make the Titan pool smaller and rotate more frequently. Better chance per pop to get the champ you want, fewer overall chances because the pool is there for less time. I don’t know, I’m not a game developer and there are people much more familiar with this kind of thing than I am who can address that problem. But it absolutely is a problem.
    It's both horizontal and vertical though. Yes, the rate at which we attain new ranks is the more prominent measure to a new rarity release. However, they also do their best to time that with running out of old champs to release at that same rarity. If you look in the past, both 5 and 6* released when only a handful of old champs were left at that previous rarity. Not saying it's definitely going to happen again, but I'm willing to bet odds are they have it down to a science when they run out of old champs in conjunction with highest achievable ranks for 7*. And the previous rate of the titan was adding them a bit too fast for slow the new ranks were coming. So the solution is to either slow down the flow into the basics or increase the speed of rank ups.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,798 ★★★★★
    Well, I did forget one other scenario. One I guarantee no one will want or like, at all. If they kept the same pace of adding old champs to the titan to bring them up to 7*, you'll eventually wind up with champs like drax, Groot, star lord, rhino etc unbuffed and in their current forms. No one wants that. At all.
  • VanillaCokeVanillaCoke Member Posts: 1,552 ★★★★★
    You guys remember the dedicated featured crystals where it was about a 20% chance to get the Featured Champ? #SaveForBlade good times 🥲 now we wait a year for a slim CHANCE to get the champ we want
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 1,091 ★★★
    Toyota_2015 said:

    Asher1_1 said:

    That's why people chase for Titan shards and they are more valuable than 7* shards .
    If not they why would people care about titan shards.

    Read what I said earlier below:

    Toyota_2015 said:

    TotemCorruption said:

    Wicket329 said:

    TotemCorruption said:

    I thought JG and Bastion were going to enter the Titan pool in June?
    If not, then I have some Titans to open today....

    Titan in June, yes. 90 days from now. Basic not for a full year.
    Ah, sorry, I misread that part.
    Isn't this delay what makes the Titan "valuable" though?
    I mean, if the entry into the basic pool was quicker, wouldn't fewer people seek out and spend money on Titans?
    Because I personally don't get the Titan hype, since there is a much higher chance I get a good pull for myself out of the basic as opposed to the Titan.
    If it didn't have that one or two or three champs that were going to be unavailable in the basic for a long time, the incentive to chase or pay for Titans would be almost zero...
    The main value of the Titan crystal is not only the fact it offers new champions, but it also offers them in a smaller pool, which increases your chances of getting them. The delay does increase the value of Titan crystals, yes, but it does so in a way that’s extremely frustrating. The crystals have value outside of the delay, so changing the way the delay system works or removing it entirely wouldn’t make Titans worthless.
    It's not frustrating if it goes to basic u have a way less chance to pull the new champ u want than in Titan so it's better chance .
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