We can still change the Women of Power rework outcome. Without losing rewards.

So here's where we are now:

X-23 currently has about a four millon ballot lead on Rogue, who is in second place. With a little more than two weeks to go and no signs of the trends changing, X-23 will be the winner by a substantial margin. Can anything change this?

Well, yes. As I mentioned in my previous post (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/390983/the-wop-2025-rework-vote-isnt-over-yet) we do still have some agency here. Our initial choice is locked in, but we can still change where our selector choice ballots go if we are doing that objective. However, as was also pointed out in that thread, doing so diverts votes away from your first choice, which means you will not get as many milestones in that particular track. And it would be asking too much to ask for players to lose rewards in changing their vote.

However, I did not pay close attention to the reward track. Unlike in many other realm event milestone tracks, the Women of Power realm event has very simple milestone rewards. It is basically just one crystal (from a selector) and 40 units for every 130 points. The rewards don't change, and the amount of points required to earn them incrementally also doesn't change. And that means if we change our votes such that we still end up with the same number of achieved milestones, as far as I am aware our rewards don't change.

OUR REWARDS DON'T CHANGE

So yes, it is actually possible to change votes, at least some of them, and influence the voting. Most people won't do that, so overcoming a four million ballot lead in 17 days will be very difficulty. But not impossible. If you are currently voting for a champion outside of the two leaders and still want to influence the outcome, then you can safely switch the champ you're putting votes into for the selector objective without jeopardizing your rewards.

But here's one small catch. When you do this, you need to make sure you switch ballots in a way that will still allow you to achieve the same number of milestones. If you switch seven days of selectors from one champ to another, you will move 133 points from one champ to another. This will essentially move one milestone to another track and you'll still get the same number of rewards. If you are not collecting the selector profile pics and thus aren't going to spread those around, you have a 114 ballot safety margin and you can switch votes safely no matter what. But if you have actually spread those selectors around your safely margin is lower, and you need to make sure you switch votes in groups of seven to be absolutely safe. Meaning: switch seven days or switch fourteen days.

It would take around 15,000 players to switch fourteen days of votes from anyone else to Rogue to overcome the current lead. None of those players would lose any rewards when they did so, so this is a reward-neutral decision. That's a lot, but it is still not impossible, especially given there's no cost to do so.

Now, mathematically speaking this all works out, however anyone can make a mistake or a miscalculation or whatever, so I cannot say doing this is absolutely safe for everyone. I am saying it is an option for anyone who wants to investigate, and cares enough to want to do it. Whether enough players want to do this. I guess we'll find out.

PS: the ballot numbers look weird, but I'm sure it is not a coincidence that the selector gives 19 ballots each, and if someone had the bright idea to divert the six selectors other than their main choice to one single other champion that would only give that champ 114 ballots, which is not enough to score an additional milestone. And when you stack the 13 ballots from the webstore code, that gets you to 127 which is *still* not enough to reach the first milestone at 130 points. The weirdo numbers were actually very cleverly designed as it turned out, to give the largest possible safety margin without handing out another milestone.

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Folkvangr

PS: the ballot numbers look weird, but I'm sure it is not a coincidence that the selector gives 19 ballots each, and if someone had the bright idea to divert the six selectors other than their main choice to one single other champion that would only give that champ 114 ballots, which is not enough to score an additional milestone. And when you stack the 13 ballots from the webstore code, that gets you to 127 which is *still* not enough to reach the first milestone at 130 points. The weirdo numbers were actually very cleverly designed as it turned out, to give the largest possible safety margin without handing out another milestone.

So they carefully checked their numbers to make sure that we couldn’t get an extra 40 units from this event, but they couldn’t check that the exp from epoch was enough to push us to lvl.62 when the rewards weren’t even in the game
Damn

Usagicassidy

I will say... unless anything does change, which is highly unlikely, it's really odd/silly for this to go on for a full month where we can see the points and know full well what the outcome will be.

ChaosMax1012

I will say... unless anything does change, which is highly unlikely, it's really odd/silly for this to go on for a full month where we can see the points and know full well what the outcome will be.

On the other hand, instagram bots won’t affect the vote this time.

SummonerNR

Agree, my earlier calc came up that you could not get an EXTRA milestone (overall), and that diverting just 6 (one each for the others) is possible. (*unless maybe you had enough extra ReSpawns appear, see at end here).

But if you’re saying we can divert 7 (and all to the SAME OTHER champ), we'd hit 1st milestone for that other champ, while only losing 1 milestone for your main champ.

And I think then, you'd also thus be able to divert maybe even 5 or 6 more of the 19x selectors (so 12 or 13 in all) to that other champ too, without further affecting any milestones either way ???

**and all this obviously depends on how many (and which) Objectives you had missed because the 19x daily Selector failed to appear for those early 2 or 3 days. And also how many/which ones might have had 1-2 days worth of RESPAWNING after that (that Kabam may ?? have done intentionally to help makeup for the missed ones earlier).

DNA3000

PS: the ballot numbers look weird, but I'm sure it is not a coincidence that the selector gives 19 ballots each, and if someone had the bright idea to divert the six selectors other than their main choice to one single other champion that would only give that champ 114 ballots, which is not enough to score an additional milestone. And when you stack the 13 ballots from the webstore code, that gets you to 127 which is *still* not enough to reach the first milestone at 130 points. The weirdo numbers were actually very cleverly designed as it turned out, to give the largest possible safety margin without handing out another milestone.
So they carefully checked their numbers to make sure that we couldn’t get an extra 40 units from this event, but they couldn’t check that the exp from epoch was enough to push us to lvl.62 when the rewards weren’t even in the game
Damn

There’s a lot of moving parts to that one, and there isn’t someone looking at all of that simultaneously that would always catch such a thing. You’d have to be simultaneously involved in the specifics of RXP leveling, the specifics of Epoch rewards, and the timeline for champion pipelines. And two of those are moving targets, and even if you catch it, if you catch it late into the development pipeline there might not be anything you can do about it, because you can’t just tell everyone to drop what they are doing and fix it.

Every time a champion is released, the completely separate pipelines of art, fix, sound, design, animations, mechanics, playtesting, text, translations, and balancing have to all meet at the launch date. These are all different people working on different timelines that nevertheless have to meet at the right moment in time. And if there are any new mechanics involved with that champ, they have to arrive at the same moment the game build supports it all. Similar things happen for content design or other parts of the game. There is a lot to keep track of for everything in general, and there isn’t always a lot of extra attention span to ask hey, will this over here be ready over there at exactly the right time when I need it over here that isn’t part of some critical pipeline path. Sometimes things get overlooked.

These numbers, however, were all within the scope of the event designer and easily fell within the limited scope of the event design.

In general Kabam should do a better job catching stuff like that, but in practice no one catches all of them.

SirGamesBond

I can go ahead and change my vote... But many of us have missed objective points and a lot of calculations needs to be done to change votes.

So I'm sticking to the same champ till I hit 10th unit milestone, lesgo Proxima beat the squirrel and get 5th position.

Xleb

What's the point of such threads if the results are obvious? Previously, X-23 was ahead Rogue by 3 million points, now already at 4 million (after a few days). There can't be a sharp increase in the results in favor of Rogue "just because" (unless they add bots to the voting, which will cause a difference in favor of Rogue)

JESUSCHRIST

This is the lamest realm event ever

If players can add points by using the specific champion and winning fights, there would be more excitement and participation

At least Rogue supporters can add more points by winning fights using Rogue throughout the long realm event

It would be a real competition, instead the votes are already locked in on Day 1 and X-23 being ahead of Rogue by 2 million votes very early on, followed by 3 million votes and now 4 million votes ahead

It's unsurpassable by now, the result of the realm event is a done deal

Toproller89

Hmm can’t have rogue stealing the show! I will make sure my 17 alt accounts all put some votes for X23

PT_99

Tbh Kebem complicated the situation,

The unit rewards should've been seperate from voting system because now I see Invis woman won't win, so I want to contribute to rogue but LMAO, can't do that now, no option or it's just too complicated and also unit count will start from 0.

So stupid.
Also I can't believe community is picking X-23, what Kebem is going to give her a buff? More bleeds and heals? Hilarious.
That's why the system is failed experiment.

Bendy

This is the lamest realm event ever

If players can add points by using the specific champion and winning fights, there would be more excitement and participation

At least Rogue supporters can add more points by winning fights using Rogue throughout the long realm event

It would be a real competition, instead the votes are already locked in on Day 1 and X-23 being ahead of Rogue by 2 million votes very early on, followed by 3 million votes and now 4 million votes ahead

It's unsurpassable by now, the result of the realm event is a done deal

But its called a rework vote realm event

Deacon

I continue to be severely disappointed in this "community" events because quite honestly it feels like the community would rather troll Kabam than actually improve the game with an interesting character. We saw this with Blob, the initial Gladiator fiasco and now X-23.

We've seen it in a number of ways where you'd think the community is about infusing the game with some character excitement and potential but nope ... I feel like they're just trolling now with these votes. No one ... and I mean literally NO ONE had any interest in X-23 before movies, during movies etc and they'll have no interest after this rework. So it is quite frankly a wasted event. Well not wasted but disappointing in the sense that we won't see anything we haven't seen before and it won't make her relevant in any content that there isn't already a bleed or regen option.

Bosley

I don't even know how to vote and nor do I care

peixemacaco

Invisible Woman voters, yes, we can!

SirGamesBond

I continue to be severely disappointed in this "community" events because quite honestly it feels like the community would rather troll Kabam than actually improve the game with an interesting character. We saw this with Blob, the initial Gladiator fiasco and now X-23.

We've seen it in a number of ways where you'd think the community is about infusing the game with some character excitement and potential but nope ... I feel like they're just trolling now with these votes. No one ... and I mean literally NO ONE had any interest in X-23 before movies, during movies etc and they'll have no interest after this rework. So it is quite frankly a wasted event. Well not wasted but disappointing in the sense that we won't see anything we haven't seen before and it won't make her relevant in any content that there isn't already a bleed or regen option.

Imaginary Assumptions 💯

Wolf911

anyone knows what happened to the missing selector votes?

I probably won’t be able to reach final milestone without them

Elux

anyone knows what happened to the missing selector votes?

I probably won’t be able to reach final milestone without them

Agree still missing 2 objective points

DNA3000

What's the point of such threads if the results are obvious? Previously, X-23 was ahead Rogue by 3 million points, now already at 4 million (after a few days). There can't be a sharp increase in the results in favor of Rogue "just because" (unless they add bots to the voting, which will cause a difference in favor of Rogue)

In theory, the players currently voting for champs other than X-23 or Rogue can swing the vote if they choose to do so. If they decide they prefer Rogue over X-23 they can simply start picking Rogue with their selectors instead of whoever they are choosing now. It would only take about 15,000 players doing that and getting all the selectors objectives to neutralize X-23’s current lead.

As this is literally what the post describes in detail, the point of the post would have probably been more obvious had you decided to read it before judging it. This may not happen (and probably won’t) but the notion that the result is inevitable is still false. The playerbase as a whole could *easily* change the outcome if it chose to do so. It just needs to decide to do so. If it doesn’t, that too is a choice.

Whether they know it or not, the X-23 supporters are choosing for her to win, but so is everyone else.

713_o_f1673r

I continue to be severely disappointed in this "community" events because quite honestly it feels like the community would rather troll Kabam than actually improve the game with an interesting character. We saw this with Blob

No way you think an immovable guy who can create the occasional black hole due to weight is more interesting than a literal spider-wasp god that can infect people, attack with wasps inside and outside a victim, slash with sharp claws, and can manipulate her own size.

Dr. Crab

I find this situation so sad. Rogue is one of the most unique champions in the entire game that has such a cool potentiality both damage and utility wise. X-23 (who I do like) will be another bleed/prowess champion that you will only choose to run if you personally like her as a character but you'll also have another 4 or 5 mutants that do the same thing. Im not trying to be rude but this choice (unless people just simply prefer the character) is just...simply wrong.

Dr. Crab

@DNA3000 just read it again, excellent post.

Joker1976

Although i do love Rogue,..i kinda felt that X-23 would win from the get go.
Tbh all my votes have gone to X-23,..just because i think a rework of a Wolverine champ can be more substantial and versatile
I say this because Rogue really isn’t all that bad and in this game true to her abilities,..i think she does need a bit of a buff to make her viable,..but X-23 needs it more imo.
But hats off to all the Rogue fans,..awesome marvel character,..i love her too.