Does Spider Woman make New Falcon completely irrelevant?

HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 514 ★★★
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Why make a half *** enchantress counter with Falcon and make him completely irrelevant with Spider Woman who has like 6 delibates (3 times more than falcon) making her objectively better counter to enchantress than him. Falcon don't have great damage but it was justified by him having delibate and now comes Spider Woman who makes his only redeeming feature completely useless. This is the fault with Kabam's approach to making champs to counter one particular defender, they hold back a lot when making these champs and end result is next champ that comes clears him even in his best matchup.
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  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 514 ★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 10,129 ★★★★★
    Harryatomix said:

    I was one of first few people who tried to believe in Falcon, thought there was more to him than what was initially seen, played around with him, he clearly lacks damage, his sp1 is very bad with very low potency fury. His slow is good but there are *** load of champs with slow and there are ensnare and grit which are far more superior to slow since they ignore class disadvantage. I have never seen such a least impactful champ for a long time. Sure we got a lot underwhelming champs like Northstar, Patriot, Gentle. But they all have some redeeming qualities which can make them impactful given the meta.

    at least Northstar is better now after his buff. Gentle can be good in some situations as well
  • Newman0067Newman0067 Member Posts: 204 ★★★
    edited April 1
    I wanna know what they're going to give this spiderwoman that'll somehow shake the community's obsession with Silk. Theres only so far you can deviate with a kit before it just doesn't work with the champion using it.
  • benshbbenshb Member Posts: 917 ★★★★★
    Exactly like what happened with dazzler-gentle-jean
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Member Posts: 2,472 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Harryatomix said:

    Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?

    You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
    He wasn't always great. OG Falcon got a great buff. They fumbled in their initial release.
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 5,918 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Harryatomix said:

    Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?

    You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
    Crossbones literally does what Falcon does but better and has actual insane damage 🤪
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,161 ★★★★★
    This is always happens and even first glance she looks more insane with that burst the falcons traumas
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,161 ★★★★★
    benshb said:

    Exactly like what happened with dazzler-gentle-jean

    All 3 are solid not one does the same things dazzler has falter u gotta sp1 then sp2 gentle is pure damage jean is neuroshocks for damage but all 3 are useful for different things.
  • Gentsy12Gentsy12 Member Posts: 125 ★★
    I’m pumped from the video too but let’s not overreact to a 3 second clip. We have no idea how much ramp it took to get to that point (17 furies could require a ton of work to get to).
  • AnotherconcernplayerAnotherconcernplayer Member Posts: 54 ★
    benshb said:

    Exactly like what happened with dazzler-gentle-jean

    So what is the deal with - NTW, Dazzler, Gentle and Jean.

    Who overlapped with who and who is more unique?
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 514 ★★★
    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,161 ★★★★★
    Harryatomix said:

    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

    We dont know anything else yet till full reveal she could have even more utility that we havent seen yet
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 2,625 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Harryatomix said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
  • JohnTargaryenJohnTargaryen Member Posts: 146 ★
    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    PT_99 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Harryatomix said:

    Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?

    You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
    Crossbones literally does what Falcon does but better and has actual insane damage 🤪
    u mean hitting 17k mediums 2s into the fight isn't "aCtuaL insAnE dAmaGE"?


    A rank3? 🥴🤣 only 17k critic…
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 12,447 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Harryatomix said:

    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

    What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
    I bet it be sp1s then into sp2
    Ah the standard rotation for 95% of champs released since jan 2023.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,161 ★★★★★
    edited April 1
    captain_rogers said:

    Bendy said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Harryatomix said:

    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

    What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
    I bet it be sp1s then into sp2
    Ah the standard rotation for 95% of champs released since jan 2023.
    Maybe they change it up sp2 into then sp1 then lol maybe she doesnt have a rotation maybe u can just sp2 spam or maybe its like ham who dont really have a rotation and u can just spam any special
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 514 ★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Harryatomix said:

    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

    What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
    No way it can be that much of build up, saying this based on the clip we saw, SW has put 6 delibates within 39 hits along with enervate, wither and power sting. She can get things online very fast from the look of things.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,161 ★★★★★
    Harryatomix said:

    captain_rogers said:

    Harryatomix said:

    Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

    Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

    SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

    I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

    What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
    No way it can be that much of build up, saying this based on the clip we saw, SW has put 6 delibates within 39 hits along with enervate, wither and power sting. She can get things online very fast from the look of things.
    Be cool if she places them on regular hits the debilitate
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 514 ★★★
    WednesdayLength said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Harryatomix said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

    Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
    He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
    He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
    He can regenerate from specials, sure

    But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
    Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time
    What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.
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