Does Spider Woman make New Falcon completely irrelevant?

Why make a half *** enchantress counter with Falcon and make him completely irrelevant with Spider Woman who has like 6 delibates (3 times more than falcon) making her objectively better counter to enchantress than him. Falcon don't have great damage but it was justified by him having delibate and now comes Spider Woman who makes his only redeeming feature completely useless. This is the fault with Kabam's approach to making champs to counter one particular defender, they hold back a lot when making these champs and end result is next champ that comes clears him even in his best matchup.

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EdisonLaw

This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

Harryatomix

This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again

Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.

EdisonLaw

This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again
Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.

He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
He can regenerate from specials, sure

But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.

Harryatomix

I was one of first few people who tried to believe in Falcon, thought there was more to him than what was initially seen, played around with him, he clearly lacks damage, his sp1 is very bad with very low potency fury. His slow is good but there are *** load of champs with slow and there are ensnare and grit which are far more superior to slow since they ignore class disadvantage. I have never seen such a least impactful champ for a long time. Sure we got a lot underwhelming champs like Northstar, Patriot, Gentle. But they all have some redeeming qualities which can make them impactful given the meta.

FrostGiantLord

Yeah, Falcon is pretty much useless now, other science champs can do what he does, but better. I just hope the rebalancing does him justice

EdisonLaw

I was one of first few people who tried to believe in Falcon, thought there was more to him than what was initially seen, played around with him, he clearly lacks damage, his sp1 is very bad with very low potency fury. His slow is good but there are *** load of champs with slow and there are ensnare and grit which are far more superior to slow since they ignore class disadvantage. I have never seen such a least impactful champ for a long time. Sure we got a lot underwhelming champs like Northstar, Patriot, Gentle. But they all have some redeeming qualities which can make them impactful given the meta.

at least Northstar is better now after his buff. Gentle can be good in some situations as well

Newman0067

I wanna know what they're going to give this spiderwoman that'll somehow shake the community's obsession with Silk. Theres only so far you can deviate with a kit before it just doesn't work with the champion using it.

ThatGuyYouSaw235

Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?

woah woah OG Falcon is one of the strongest and most reliable skill champions in the game put respect on his name

my r3 doesnt reliably kill hulklings/destroyers/medusas/arcades and 99% of the science class in approximately 30-40 seconds for you to call him a fumble

benshb

Exactly like what happened with dazzler-gentle-jean

Buttehrs

Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?

You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.

BigPoppaCBONE

Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?
You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.

He wasn't always great. OG Falcon got a great buff. They fumbled in their initial release.

PT_99

Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?
You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.

Crossbones literally does what Falcon does but better and has actual insane damage 🤪

Bendy

This is always happens and even first glance she looks more insane with that burst the falcons traumas

Bendy

Exactly like what happened with dazzler-gentle-jean

All 3 are solid not one does the same things dazzler has falter u gotta sp1 then sp2 gentle is pure damage jean is neuroshocks for damage but all 3 are useful for different things.

ThatGuyYouSaw235

Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?
You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
Crossbones literally does what Falcon does but better and has actual insane damage 🤪

u mean hitting 17k mediums 2s into the fight isn't "aCtuaL insAnE dAmaGE"?

Matty_Ice

Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?
You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
Crossbones literally does what Falcon does but better and has actual insane damage 🤪

Crossbones is so stressful to play that I don’t enjoy it. Falcon has much simpler access to his aar mechanic.

Gentsy12

I’m pumped from the video too but let’s not overreact to a 3 second clip. We have no idea how much ramp it took to get to that point (17 furies could require a ton of work to get to).

Anotherconcernplayer

Exactly like what happened with dazzler-gentle-jean

So what is the deal with - NTW, Dazzler, Gentle and Jean.

Who overlapped with who and who is more unique?

Harryatomix

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

Bendy

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

We dont know anything else yet till full reveal she could have even more utility that we havent seen yet

captain_rogers

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.

What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.

Bendy

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.
What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.

I bet it be sp1s then into sp2

WednesdayLength

Way way too early to say this. For all we know she places 1 debilitate per sp3 lmao

WednesdayLength

This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again
Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
He can regenerate from specials, sure

But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.

Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time

JohnTargaryen

Kabam's Vendetta against Falcon is real. How can they fumble all 3 falcons?
You've never used OG Falcon then and it shows. He's literally one of the best skill champs, especially as a 7*.
Crossbones literally does what Falcon does but better and has actual insane damage 🤪
u mean hitting 17k mediums 2s into the fight isn't "aCtuaL insAnE dAmaGE"?

A rank3? 🥴🤣 only 17k critic…

captain_rogers

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.
What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
I bet it be sp1s then into sp2

Ah the standard rotation for 95% of champs released since jan 2023.

Bendy

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.
What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
I bet it be sp1s then into sp2
Ah the standard rotation for 95% of champs released since jan 2023.

Maybe they change it up sp2 into then sp1 then lol maybe she doesnt have a rotation maybe u can just sp2 spam or maybe its like ham who dont really have a rotation and u can just spam any special

Harryatomix

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.
What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.

No way it can be that much of build up, saying this based on the clip we saw, SW has put 6 delibates within 39 hits along with enervate, wither and power sting. She can get things online very fast from the look of things.

Bendy

Lets try to dissect from the few seconds of SW clip and compare their abilities with Falcon

Falcon: Slow, 2 delibates, Traumas, Regen on specials.

SW: Enervate, Wither, 6 delibates, Furies, Power Gain, Severe debuffs, Power stings.

I don't know man seems like Falcon got a very short end of the stick here. SW can power control, handle evade with severe debuffs and more than enough of delibates while all Falcon can do for utility is handle evade and unstoppable.
What if SW needs to launch sp3 6 times to access these debuffs? That's always an possibility wait until deep dive.
No way it can be that much of build up, saying this based on the clip we saw, SW has put 6 delibates within 39 hits along with enervate, wither and power sting. She can get things online very fast from the look of things.

Be cool if she places them on regular hits the debilitate

Harryatomix

This is exactly like the Leader/Nefaria situation all over again
Atleast Leader has severe debuffs and he pops off when there is regen or power gain and is faster than Nef in these matches. Tell me one redeaming quality of Falcon.
He does have slow, but a lot of champs have slow
He has trauma, but Deathless She Hulk has more trauma
He can regenerate from specials, sure

But a lot of things he has other science champs have as well. Gotta say, he's the worst of 2025 we've had so far.
Science champions haven't had a slow champion in a long time

What do you mean, we got Silk who was released in 2023.