The curious case of Spider Ham Button. Try yourself!

peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,147 ★★★★★
Spider Ham entrance animation is a funny cartoonish one as the character is.

Ok, but no other champ do like this, Deadpool do some jump before ,but is ready to do the 1st hit.

So, Spider Ham have this disadvantage if you want to start hit your rival(cpu).

Try it yourself and will fail miserably.

Even against tiny Champs as Rocket he fail to hit first. But the inverse no, Rocket can hit Ham easily.

A few times the rival (cpu) wont start by hit, maybe with a dex or in rare cases a parry.

In Battlegrounds is way worse if you're hit before ...

Of course we can parry or dex at first, but this thing should be fixed , removing the last jump... or ...pump

Some examples


1 - Against Thing


2 - Against Rocket


3 - Now, with Rocket against Ham


4 - Ham vs Ham, we cant do the 1st hit also


5 - Against Thing, in this example, the rival goes back and we can hit

Try and see...

Spoiler

Comments

  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 12,542 ★★★★★


    Whether I should be disappointed I am wrong or should be happy my wrong statement resulted in this post?
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 1,884 ★★★★
    Only noobs start a fight by spamming light attack
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,183 Guardian


    Whereas those earlier comments (in some other thread) Peix may have said only Dex was possible, Peix does seem to say Parry is also possible in the opening of their new post here.

    And I tried a small sampling of Parry vs rapid-fire-tap Light hits to start out (against some self-Practice and some Duels).

    Some Parry did work as normal at start of fight, but another time failed and got hit in the face (but that may be because of micro-lagging that resulted in initial Parry attempt too late).

    Rapid-fire-Light's to start a fight did seem to be 50/50. Sometimes succeed, other times got hit in the face.

    (With other champs, you shouldn’t ever be getting hit in face from rapid-fire beginnings, although you could end up getting Parried by Defender blocking right away against you if it is in real-opponent mastery mode like BG/AW/Duel)

    (and I assume that, rapid-fire-light, is what Peix means when saying “attack at start”, and not some fool's errand attempt at a perfectly timed Medium Swipe to start fight)
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,147 ★★★★★



    Whereas those earlier comments (in some other thread) Peix may have said only Dex was possible, Peix does seem to say Parry is also possible in the opening of their new post here.

    And I tried a small sampling of Parry vs rapid-fire-tap Light hits to start out (against some self-Practice and some Duels).

    Some Parry did work as normal at start of fight, but another time failed and got hit in the face (but that may be because of micro-lagging that resulted in initial Parry attempt too late).

    Rapid-fire-Light's to start a fight did seem to be 50/50. Sometimes succeed, other times got hit in the face.

    (With other champs, you shouldn’t ever be getting hit in face from rapid-fire beginnings, although you could end up getting Parried by Defender blocking right away against you if it is in real-opponent mastery mode like BG/AW/Duel)

    (and I assume that, rapid-fire-light, is what Peix means when saying “attack at start”, and not some fool's errand attempt at a perfectly timed Medium Swipe to start fight)

    Not Peix....peixe
    Peixe is fish in portuguese
    Peix dont have any translation

    I was about to do this thread a long time ago, that other thread about the guy that pulled Spider Ham , reminded me.

    Its very clear that im talking about to do the very first hit.

    Not to parry or dex as the 1st movement,that we can do...its obvious...lol

    Well, I think Kabam guys may answer here if is possible to change Spider Ham Button anim before fight starts

    @KabamPinwheel @KabamDORK
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,868 ★★★★★
    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/392960/dev-diary-ai-deep-dive#latest

    So is Spider Ham coded to always get hit when starting the fight with a L attack ?
  • xenchiefxenchief Member Posts: 46
    Curious since his chance to place poppers is increased when the opponent is stunned, why are we trying to light intercept at the start of fights?
  • JackTheSnackJackTheSnack Member Posts: 1,495 ★★★★

    Actual useful peixemacaco post????

    Yeah, I noticed that with Spider-Ham a very long time ago. Honestly surprised nothing has been done about it for years.

    I was thinking the same exact thing☠️😭🤣. Post is a W
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,868 ★★★★★
    xenchief said:

    Curious since his chance to place poppers is increased when the opponent is stunned, why are we trying to light intercept at the start of fights?

    As if stun immunity, debuff immunity or fights that punish parry stunning dont exist
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 12,542 ★★★★★

    As if stun immunity, debuff immunity or fights that punish parry stunning dont exist
    Actually I wouldn't use spam in fights where you can't stun. It's a big hinderance for him imo.
  • xenchiefxenchief Member Posts: 46

    Actually I wouldn't use spam in fights where you can't stun. It's a big hinderance for him imo.
    This
  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 922 ★★★★

    Actually I wouldn't use spam in fights where you can't stun. It's a big hinderance for him imo.
    Yeah, it’s not ideal, but if you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO for whatever reason then this bug is very frustrating.
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,147 ★★★★★
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,147 ★★★★★

    Team is looking into it!

    Thaaaanks!
    @World Eater
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,659 ★★★★★
    edited April 17
    Yeah I got burned by this a few times until I realized I seemed to always miss the opening light when using ham specifically. I never assumed it was a bug but rather just a slower animation, much like how certain champs have a faster stand up animation and thus you can’t heavy spam them in the corner. But if it’s a bug that’ll get fixed I’ll gladly take the minor buff to pig
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,269 ★★★★
    It's rather high risk to start hitting the AI at the start for important fights like battlegrounds

    AI will parry sometimes
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,269 ★★★★
    I said it before the animation of the champions give advantage or disadvantage

    Size XL champions always have advantage over Size S champions

    I also like double hit animation from Silk, when I intercept the first hit miss and the second hit lands and saves the day
  • the_eradicatorthe_eradicator Member Posts: 434 ★★★
    First actual good post from peixe.. nice. Agree this is an issue.
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,147 ★★★★★

    Just an update: team is working on a fix but its a long weekend so probably wont have any further news until next week, but theyre working on it!

    Hey @KabamPinwheel thank you again.

    But another tedious thing, not related to Spider Ham, is the constant pop-ups from Battlegrounds even after we claimed that .
    @DrZola
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,727 ★★★★★

    Only noobs start a fight by spamming light attack

    No it pro who dos it. Risky in bg yes
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