Which is why we were discussing where the line should be drawn.
You asked why there was no central resource for this. If you believe this is something that deserves significant discussion, then you know why there is no such central resource. If there was one, the discussion would be moot.
Again, thanks for your input.
What would be decent is for some input from Kabam on the thread, that they hear the feedback and they're going to do something with it to improve.
Asking a well-known MCOC YouTuber that commences paid work for Kabam to disclose it to their audience is a small ask IMHO.
What would be truly disheartening would be for another famous MCOC YouTuber to be paid by Kabam to do work for them and it's like Groundhog Day. Why aren't we learning from our mistakes, which take very little effort to rectify and pose a significant threat to player goodwill.
I was hoping by now that we may have had any form of input from Kabam here but the silence is deafening.
I want better for the community and for Kabam to keep doing great work. This felt like an easy win to me, maybe an hour or two of staff time could've addressed this and signalled a wholesome message to the playerbase.
There's a significant amount of feedback from players that signposts whoever addresses the issue, my mind has changed heavily since I made the post, why not capitalise on this opportunity?..
Edit: I also meant to thank the Kabam team for allowing the thread to mature and develop rather than closing it etc, I genuinely appreciate it.
“Allowing the thread to mature…”
Did you think Kabam was going to feel threatened by your investigation? I think most of us are just amused by the idea that this is some high-stakes issue.
Everything is a high-stakes issue.. nothing is a high-stakes issue..
What would be truly disheartening would be for another famous MCOC YouTuber to be paid by Kabam to do work for them and it's like Groundhog Day. Why aren't we learning from our mistakes, which take very little effort to rectify and pose a significant threat to player goodwill.
Calling this a "mistake" would be starting from a conclusion. There seems to be significant disagreement about this, which makes the discussion interesting. But if you believe the discussion is about a mistake and how Kabam can rectify it, that's a bit more problematic. They can't explain to you what steps they are taking to rectify their mistake if they believe what they are doing is their best compromise effort in this area.
I am not speaking for Kabam here: I have no idea, and will not in any way represent whether they think this is something that needs to change, or whether there are viable options to consider even if they think it should. That's entirely up to them to decide. However, I am simply stating that any conversation that starts with "let's all agree to discuss why you're wrong" is likely going to be an unattended one, even if there is punch and pie.
Maybe I misspoke with the word "mistake", as I've said many times before I'm not looking to discuss the past and pore over it.
To address what you've rightly said about the ability to disclose procedural changes within Kabam, it doesn't need to be that deep.
Something along the lines of: "We've read through the views represented in this thread and have passed the feedback to our "insert name* department so that they can see what, if any internal changes we can make to our processes"
Just an acknowledgement and some peace of mind for those who have contributed to this thread, who are representative, to a degree, of the wider community.
A few years back I would have said maybe they should, though not necessary. There was a point years back when some youtubers would "overhype" champs, not in a misleading way, but rather they were excited about a champ and they would show specific game play in a specific situation that would appear the champ is overpowered. Granted, everyone has to make their own decisions on champs, but that would be ignoring that content creators have some influence on their viewers, and many of these creators are skillful players, so what they do/say carries some weight to players who might not be skillful enough or knowledgeable about the game to tell when champs are not being displayed in a practical manner. Things have changed for the better over the years, so I don't think it's that much of an problem currently. Personally, it wouldn't matter, I know enough about the game and my account to know how impactful a champion will be from game play showcases
What would be truly disheartening would be for another famous MCOC YouTuber to be paid by Kabam to do work for them and it's like Groundhog Day. Why aren't we learning from our mistakes, which take very little effort to rectify and pose a significant threat to player goodwill.
Calling this a "mistake" would be starting from a conclusion. There seems to be significant disagreement about this, which makes the discussion interesting. But if you believe the discussion is about a mistake and how Kabam can rectify it, that's a bit more problematic. They can't explain to you what steps they are taking to rectify their mistake if they believe what they are doing is their best compromise effort in this area.
I am not speaking for Kabam here: I have no idea, and will not in any way represent whether they think this is something that needs to change, or whether there are viable options to consider even if they think it should. That's entirely up to them to decide. However, I am simply stating that any conversation that starts with "let's all agree to discuss why you're wrong" is likely going to be an unattended one, even if there is punch and pie.
Maybe I misspoke with the word "mistake", as I've said many times before I'm not looking to discuss the past and pore over it.
To address what you've rightly said about the ability to disclose procedural changes within Kabam, it doesn't need to be that deep.
Something along the lines of: "We've read through the views represented in this thread and have passed the feedback to our "insert name* department so that they can see what, if any internal changes we can make to our processes"
Just an acknowledgement and some peace of mind for those who have contributed to this thread, who are representative, to a degree, of the wider community.
You overestimating importance of this thread. I mean they can post a comment or two but taking actions? Rarely anyone bother such topics while playing games
What would be truly disheartening would be for another famous MCOC YouTuber to be paid by Kabam to do work for them and it's like Groundhog Day. Why aren't we learning from our mistakes, which take very little effort to rectify and pose a significant threat to player goodwill.
Calling this a "mistake" would be starting from a conclusion. There seems to be significant disagreement about this, which makes the discussion interesting. But if you believe the discussion is about a mistake and how Kabam can rectify it, that's a bit more problematic. They can't explain to you what steps they are taking to rectify their mistake if they believe what they are doing is their best compromise effort in this area.
I am not speaking for Kabam here: I have no idea, and will not in any way represent whether they think this is something that needs to change, or whether there are viable options to consider even if they think it should. That's entirely up to them to decide. However, I am simply stating that any conversation that starts with "let's all agree to discuss why you're wrong" is likely going to be an unattended one, even if there is punch and pie.
Maybe I misspoke with the word "mistake", as I've said many times before I'm not looking to discuss the past and pore over it.
To address what you've rightly said about the ability to disclose procedural changes within Kabam, it doesn't need to be that deep.
Something along the lines of: "We've read through the views represented in this thread and have passed the feedback to our "insert name* department so that they can see what, if any internal changes we can make to our processes"
Just an acknowledgement and some peace of mind for those who have contributed to this thread, who are representative, to a degree, of the wider community.
You keep yapping and yapping about it. There comes a point where you have to accept its not that deep. It doesn't matter if they disclose or not. You're too invested in the importance of what is a non issue
Needs more threats of legal action because Happy dude on the internet said something was sweet without disclosing that he works for compuglobalhypermeganet.
What would be truly disheartening would be for another famous MCOC YouTuber to be paid by Kabam to do work for them and it's like Groundhog Day. Why aren't we learning from our mistakes, which take very little effort to rectify and pose a significant threat to player goodwill.
Calling this a "mistake" would be starting from a conclusion. There seems to be significant disagreement about this, which makes the discussion interesting. But if you believe the discussion is about a mistake and how Kabam can rectify it, that's a bit more problematic. They can't explain to you what steps they are taking to rectify their mistake if they believe what they are doing is their best compromise effort in this area.
I am not speaking for Kabam here: I have no idea, and will not in any way represent whether they think this is something that needs to change, or whether there are viable options to consider even if they think it should. That's entirely up to them to decide. However, I am simply stating that any conversation that starts with "let's all agree to discuss why you're wrong" is likely going to be an unattended one, even if there is punch and pie.
Maybe I misspoke with the word "mistake", as I've said many times before I'm not looking to discuss the past and pore over it.
To address what you've rightly said about the ability to disclose procedural changes within Kabam, it doesn't need to be that deep.
Something along the lines of: "We've read through the views represented in this thread and have passed the feedback to our "insert name* department so that they can see what, if any internal changes we can make to our processes"
Just an acknowledgement and some peace of mind for those who have contributed to this thread, who are representative, to a degree, of the wider community.
You keep yapping and yapping about it. There comes a point where you have to accept its not that deep. It doesn't matter if they disclose or not. You're too invested in the importance of what is a non issue
Alright, well let's just forget about it all then. 👍 #SunkCosts
You guys know why 12.0 boycott was successful but this one wasn't?
Because at 12.0 time, none of the YouTubers were employed at Kabam.
Kabam were forced to do something against 12.0 backlash and decided the best case scenario for them aka hire youtubers and bring this behind the scenes. Some made their employment public some didn't.
That is why, now and forever, any boycott will never be successful
You guys know why 12.0 boycott was successful but this one wasn't?
Because at 12.0 time, none of the YouTubers were employed at Kabam.
Kabam were forced to do something against 12.0 backlash and decided the best case scenario for them aka hire youtubers and bring this behind the scenes. Some made their employment public some didn't.
That is why, now and forever, any boycott will never be successful
Cute theory but only a tiny handful of content creators actually ended up working for Kabam. The overwhelmingly vast majority do not.
You might as well come out and ask if the YouTubers you suspect are Kabam employees. It would be many less pages and words. It's clear you are skeptical of the authenticity of some. *Further to that, that kind of suspicion never ends. Even if they do confirm or deny, will you ever be satisfied, or will it fuel further questioning?
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To address what you've rightly said about the ability to disclose procedural changes within Kabam, it doesn't need to be that deep.
Something along the lines of:
"We've read through the views represented in this thread and have passed the feedback to our "insert name* department so that they can see what, if any internal changes we can make to our processes"
Just an acknowledgement and some peace of mind for those who have contributed to this thread, who are representative, to a degree, of the wider community.
#SunkCosts
Because at 12.0 time, none of the YouTubers were employed at Kabam.
Kabam were forced to do something against 12.0 backlash and decided the best case scenario for them aka hire youtubers and bring this behind the scenes. Some made their employment public some didn't.
That is why, now and forever, any boycott will never be successful
Edit: P.S. this thread has run it's course lol
I remember every youtuber hyping up that champion as someone who will smack huge damage numbers with a hammer
The cool graphics of lightning striking the enemy
Turns out that champion is a dud
I haven't seen anyone use BRB in GC battlegrounds
*Further to that, that kind of suspicion never ends. Even if they do confirm or deny, will you ever be satisfied, or will it fuel further questioning?
And getting nowhere.
Everyone's opinions have been stated, both for and against.