Am I the first person to rank 4 this champions?

MᗅՏᗅCRE · April 20

Did It today, hopefully I dupe her soon
(I was one of the Stream giveaway winners)

TotemCorruption · April 20

Not sure, but you definitely beat me by about a week or two (I'm holding off on finishing 9.2 until I have enough units to get the 9.2 completion offer too).
But in June, we'll be seeing R4 Jeans left and right. She's better than Onslaught at this point, both on defense and offense.

TotemCorruption · April 20

By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

tnair2015 · April 20

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.

TotemCorruption · April 20

tnair2015 said:

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.

Yeah, it's the reverse controls. You need a hard counter.

Yaron_aviv · April 20

TotemCorruption said:

tnair2015 said:

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.
Yeah, it's the reverse controls. You need a hard counter.

Plenty of those -
Jack
Sinister
Iron heart

TotemCorruption · April 20

Yaron_aviv said:

TotemCorruption said:

tnair2015 said:

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.
Yeah, it's the reverse controls. You need a hard counter.
Plenty of those -
Jack
Sinister
Iron heart

And that's the beauty, even if your opponent has one of those 4 or 5 counters, they have to sit on them until you place her on D, but she's such a good attacker that you can just flip the script at any moment.

willrun4adonut · April 20

My guess is people just don't know her kit yet.

TotemCorruption said:

Yaron_aviv said:

TotemCorruption said:

tnair2015 said:

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.
Yeah, it's the reverse controls. You need a hard counter.
Plenty of those -
Jack
Sinister
Iron heart
And that's the beauty, even if your opponent has one of those 4 or 5 counters, they have to sit on them until you place her on D, but she's such a good attacker that you can just flip the script at any moment.

Is it just reverse controls? Because of so, I just think people aren't familiar with her kit yet since nobody has fought her really. You don't need a hard counter if that's all it is.

Yaron_aviv · April 20

willrun4adonut said:
My guess is people just don't know her kit yet.
TotemCorruption said:

Yaron_aviv said:

TotemCorruption said:

tnair2015 said:

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.
Yeah, it's the reverse controls. You need a hard counter.
Plenty of those -
Jack
Sinister
Iron heart
And that's the beauty, even if your opponent has one of those 4 or 5 counters, they have to sit on them until you place her on D, but she's such a good attacker that you can just flip the script at any moment.
Is it just reverse controls? Because of so, I just think people aren't familiar with her kit yet since nobody has fought her really. You don't need a hard counter if that's all it is.

You do
Because it’s kind of random

TotemCorruption · April 20

willrun4adonut said:
My guess is people just don't know her kit yet.
TotemCorruption said:

Yaron_aviv said:

TotemCorruption said:

tnair2015 said:

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.
Yeah, it's the reverse controls. You need a hard counter.
Plenty of those -
Jack
Sinister
Iron heart
And that's the beauty, even if your opponent has one of those 4 or 5 counters, they have to sit on them until you place her on D, but she's such a good attacker that you can just flip the script at any moment.
Is it just reverse controls? Because of so, I just think people aren't familiar with her kit yet since nobody has fought her really. You don't need a hard counter if that's all it is.

Yeah, I'm not sure. I assume top players can handle her and don't need a counter, but I personally have trouble even with Knull so I'll probably need immunity (although I guess I can just use her against her if that happens).

ThatGuyYouSaw235 · April 20

fellas

always remember the best counter to reverse controls is to reverse your controls

if their name is not nameless grandmaster of coursw

TotemCorruption · April 20

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:
fellas

always remember the best counter to reverse controls is to reverse your controls

if their name is not nameless grandmaster of coursw

That makes more sense than my strategy of flipping my phone around...

captain_rogers · April 20

Yaron_aviv said:

willrun4adonut said:
My guess is people just don't know her kit yet.
TotemCorruption said:

Yaron_aviv said:

TotemCorruption said:

tnair2015 said:

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

What makes her good on defence? Is it those reverse controls ? I never placed her on D thinking she ain't good.
Yeah, it's the reverse controls. You need a hard counter.
Plenty of those -
Jack
Sinister
Iron heart
And that's the beauty, even if your opponent has one of those 4 or 5 counters, they have to sit on them until you place her on D, but she's such a good attacker that you can just flip the script at any moment.
Is it just reverse controls? Because of so, I just think people aren't familiar with her kit yet since nobody has fought her really. You don't need a hard counter if that's all it is.
You do
Because it’s kind of random

There is a callout a second ago whether it's reversed or normal controls.

MᗅՏᗅCRE · April 20

TotemCorruption said:
By the way, I don't think she needs the block penetration stat focus. She ain't hitting into people's blocks on defense, she's straight murdering them.

DLL recommended that stat focus and I feel like its the best one

SirGamesBond · April 20

I saw a r4 jean in duel target list.
They are out there.

Sachhyam257 · April 20

I know sm who r4d her weeks ago.

I did a few rounds in bgs against their jean to test out her defensive potential. At first she was pretty damn tough because I didn't exactly know her abilities. But after a few attempts and reading her kit, she's not too bad. I was able to take her down quite easily with dazzler, vox, etc.

Her sp1 dex is fairly easy both ways (normal and reverse) and you just need to keep an eye on her force field (she reverses controls for a bit when it goes down). I suspect that once she's more common and ppl start learning how to fight her, she won't be as much of a threat defensively.

MrSanguini · April 21

TotemCorruption said:
Not sure, but you definitely beat me by about a week or two (I'm holding off on finishing 9.2 until I have enough units to get the 9.2 completion offer too).
But in June, we'll be seeing R4 Jeans left and right. She's better than Onslaught at this point, both on defense and offense.

I think that’s recency bias. Especially for the defense part. People thought Onslaught was straight up unfair when he came out. A few months and a Season of Sorrow boss later, now Onslaught isn’t that bad to fight.

It’s probably a similar thing, to a lesser degree, for Jean. We’ll see as time passes.

Offensively though… I dunno, does Jean have triple pseudo-immunities and top tier near-infinitely scalable damage that isn’t stopped by anyone? If so, maybe then there’s a conversation there.

Squidopus · April 21

TotemCorruption said:
Not sure, but you definitely beat me by about a week or two (I'm holding off on finishing 9.2 until I have enough units to get the 9.2 completion offer too).
But in June, we'll be seeing R4 Jeans left and right. She's better than Onslaught at this point, both on defense and offense.

Apparently I missed something, when did anyone ever remotely come to the conclusion that Jean is a better defender than Onslaught? It’s literally just reverse controls, and a bit of stalling via the force field. You don’t even have to be scared of blocking her specials if you don’t want to react to the 50/50 RC roulette because she inflicts meaningless exhaustion debuffs that are just free willpower healing. At best I’d compare her to Mister Negative as a defender, nowhere near Onslaught’s level. They both have that sporadic RC, but at least Negative punishes you for having debuffs with weak unavoidable damage instead of giving you blank debuffs for free healing.

TotemCorruption · April 21

Squidopus said:

TotemCorruption said:
Not sure, but you definitely beat me by about a week or two (I'm holding off on finishing 9.2 until I have enough units to get the 9.2 completion offer too).
But in June, we'll be seeing R4 Jeans left and right. She's better than Onslaught at this point, both on defense and offense.

Apparently I missed something, when did anyone ever remotely come to the conclusion that Jean is a better defender than Onslaught? It’s literally just reverse controls, and a bit of stalling via the force field. You don’t even have to be scared of blocking her specials if you don’t want to react to the 50/50 RC roulette because she inflicts meaningless exhaustion debuffs that are just free willpower healing. At best I’d compare her to Mister Negative as a defender, nowhere near Onslaught’s level. They both have that sporadic RC, but at least Negative punishes you for having debuffs with weak unavoidable damage instead of giving you blank debuffs for free healing.

I'm just going off what she's done for me this season in BG. Send me a friendly request and you can use a non-RC champ to take her out as you say.

NONYABIZZ · April 21

You cannot say Jean is a better defender than onslaught
Your jean is getting you those dubs because she is new and literally nobody has even read her kit or experienced her enough to know how to beat her. It's literally every new defender effect.

I was dieing to gorrs and valkyries when they were released.
When she becomes alot more common, people will learn how to fight her just like EVERY DEFENDER.
For now, enjoy the element of suprise

TotemCorruption · April 21

NONYABIZZ said:
You cannot say Jean is a better defender than onslaught
Your jean is getting you those dubs because she is new and literally nobody has even read her kit or experienced her enough to know how to beat her. It's literally every new defender effect.

I was dieing to gorrs and valkyries when they were released.
When she becomes alot more common, people will learn how to fight her just like EVERY DEFENDER.
For now, enjoy the element of suprise

Ok, but why are you acting like I said she's going to be the greatest defender for all eternity?
I said she's a better defender than Onslaught "at this point."
Yes, this is how MCOC works; new champs get released; some of them like Jean and others before her wipe the floor in BG until the playerpool learns or adjusts or new counters get released...
Literally nothing about this game is permanent, so yes, we play in the moment; the past and the future are irrelevant in MCOC...

altavista · April 21

TotemCorruption said:

NONYABIZZ said:
You cannot say Jean is a better defender than onslaught
Your jean is getting you those dubs because she is new and literally nobody has even read her kit or experienced her enough to know how to beat her. It's literally every new defender effect.

I was dieing to gorrs and valkyries when they were released.
When she becomes alot more common, people will learn how to fight her just like EVERY DEFENDER.
For now, enjoy the element of suprise
Ok, but why are you acting like I said she's going to be the greatest defender for all eternity?
I said she's a better defender than Onslaught "at this point."
Yes, this is how MCOC works; new champs get released; some of them like Jean and others before her wipe the floor in BG until the playerpool learns or adjusts or new counters get released...
Literally nothing about this game is permanent, so yes, we play in the moment; the past and the future are irrelevant in MCOC...

The premise of OP’s post is in regard to R4, and your response implies that she is R4 worthy on the merit of being a better dual threat than Onslaught.

I wouldn’t say someone is R4 worthy just because they happen to be a good defender for one month (although I know people do that). If she is an amazing attacker, sure, but don’t oversell her as a dual threat if it’s only temporary.

Am I the first person to rank 4 this champions?

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