Battlegrounds Matchups is disgusting and unfair

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!
Please fix this rubbish, how do anyone make a progress with these useless matchups,

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KillerM

as an example they should just do per rank how many R4's you can select for example uru 2 R4's gamma 3 R4's and so on that at least makes it fair now you only meet players who pump 100’s of dollars into it and have little skills but only win because they have all the nasty defenders R4

JESUSCHRIST

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!
Please fix this rubbish, how do anyone make a progress with these useless matchups,

Same complaints every season

BigBlueOx

I’ll chime in saying on the way to GC I feel dirty from raking up forfeits after people see my deck. I’ve never seen match making quite this rough. I think the right answer is fixing the seeding though

Will3808

You progress by playing other game modes. I had the same complaint, and then I went and finished exploring all of story content. I’m still punching up sometimes, but it helps significantly.

Herbal_Taxman

Kabam is probably seeing this and thinking,”Yep, Operation Radiance has worked. Participation is climbing as evidenced by the complaints of lower progression accounts jumping in on day one and getting clapped.”

SirGamesBond

Dont get disheartened.
If anyone is farming VT in this seaosn, its the most stupid thing they can do. You will find almost fair matches soon. People are climbing fast.

Lower account will always be in disadvantage but that's what you gotta do, play more to get your radiance.

We got two weeks this time to hit GC.

Not for me, but I hope kabam extend the timer to two weeks for all future seasons. As deserving low rated players can have a chance to reach GC and get their radiance objective.

TotemCorruption

Kabam fixed unfair matchmaking by dividing the playerbase into V2 and D4 based on what time they logged in on Wednesday.

Pikolu

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!

That hasn't been in the game for over a year now. Back then, Paragons (the top progression) would have to duke it out through VT fighting strong opponents the whole way, while some Cav and UC players had an essentially free ride the whole way through. My UC alt account would have a way easier time in VT than my main account. Kabam decided that it was an issue matching accounts based on account strength and changed to random matchmaking to reward those who have taken time to build out their rosters, instead of punishing people who have taken time to build out their roster. (There was legit a time where people didnt want to rank up some of their champions because doing that would make them face even harder opponents)

Zacharias10719

as an example they should just do per rank how many R4's you can select for example uru 2 R4's gamma 3 R4's and so on that at least makes it fair now you only meet players who pump 100’s of dollars into it and have little skills but only win because they have all the nasty defenders R4

If they have little skill, you should still win then. R3 vs R4 defender isn't some insurmountable feat. More importantly Bgs isn't a participation trophy competition, you have to play what's in front of you if you want to progress

Zacharias10719

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!
Please fix this rubbish, how do anyone make a progress with these useless matchups,

This hasn't been the case for absolutely ages. You get matched to those in whatever tier you are in, you know like a competition. You don't have a devine right to progress, you have to develop the skills and roster over time.

Calls for 'fair' match ups always just translate to "I want easy match ups to the rewards, why are you making me work!"

JackTheSnack

Skill issue

summerdeer

This is not how matchmaking works I’ve come to terms that I’m prob the only paragon at vib 2 so I’m not playing till like 2 weeks just wait it out don’t complain

DNA3000

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!
Please fix this rubbish, how do anyone make a progress with these useless matchups,

We got rid of that a long time ago because it was unfair and stupid.

PT_99

Same rewards same competition.

Want easy competition? Then perhaps Kabam should give you easy rewards as well?

SirGamesBond

Rants are understandable but those are not always justifiable.
Definitly not on Day 2 of a month long season.

ahmynuts

I’ll chime in saying on the way to GC I feel dirty from raking up forfeits after people see my deck. I’ve never seen match making quite this rough. I think the right answer is fixing the seeding though

I dont. Send em my way

DNA3000

I’ll chime in saying on the way to GC I feel dirty from raking up forfeits after people see my deck. I’ve never seen match making quite this rough. I think the right answer is fixing the seeding though

In principle, it is. In practice, its complicated because seeding affects rewards.

The reason we seed at all is because there are rank rewards in GC. Which means anyone who enters GC can theoretically get free rewards forever if there was no seeding, because once you're in GC you can't demote out of it.

And while that's fixable, trying to fix that one problem causes a whole bunch of things to come apart as you pull on that thread. Eventually, you've changed everything about tiers, ranks, and rewards, and you essentially have built an entirely new game mode.

The desire to make these "fair match ups" is so high, Kabam themselves tried to do it several times in the early days of BG even though we already established it is completely broken in Alliance war. Remember prestige/rating matching in AW? It took Kabam two years to give up on it, while we had to see season after season after season after season of alliances full of Uncollecteds placing super high in war seasons. I think one season an alliance like that placed second overall.

Knowing this, they implemented it again in BG when there was absolutely no chance for any other result than what happened. And then tried to patch it over and over. Seeding is itself a path of sorts. I actually suggested that patch as a way to mitigate some of the match up problems in BG as a way to soften the problem without completely tossing out the structure of BG. But it is a mitigator, not an eliminator.

At the end of the day, either you have to face stronger opponents to progress past them, or you don't. If you don't, the entire game mode becomes a mockery of competition. If you do, then the only question is how. It would be nice if each individual player saw a slowly escalating ramp up of match ups rather than the cliff we used to have or the random jumble we have now, but those are side effects of how the game mode works. If you try to prevent this by actually putting in explicit rules to prevent it, you're back to horrible results.

I did suggest a kind of match up metric phase in/phase out mechanic way back when, but the specifics of trying to make that actually fair are non-trivial.

BigBlueOx

I’ll chime in saying on the way to GC I feel dirty from raking up forfeits after people see my deck. I’ve never seen match making quite this rough. I think the right answer is fixing the seeding though
In principle, it is. In practice, its complicated because seeding affects rewards.

The reason we seed at all is because there are rank rewards in GC. Which means anyone who enters GC can theoretically get free rewards forever if there was no seeding, because once you're in GC you can't demote out of it.

And while that's fixable, trying to fix that one problem causes a whole bunch of things to come apart as you pull on that thread. Eventually, you've changed everything about tiers, ranks, and rewards, and you essentially have built an entirely new game mode.

The desire to make these "fair match ups" is so high, Kabam themselves tried to do it several times in the early days of BG even though we already established it is completely broken in Alliance war. Remember prestige/rating matching in AW? It took Kabam two years to give up on it, while we had to see season after season after season after season of alliances full of Uncollecteds placing super high in war seasons. I think one season an alliance like that placed second overall.

Knowing this, they implemented it again in BG when there was absolutely no chance for any other result than what happened. And then tried to patch it over and over. Seeding is itself a path of sorts. I actually suggested that patch as a way to mitigate some of the match up problems in BG as a way to soften the problem without completely tossing out the structure of BG. But it is a mitigator, not an eliminator.

At the end of the day, either you have to face stronger opponents to progress past them, or you don't. If you don't, the entire game mode becomes a mockery of competition. If you do, then the only question is how. It would be nice if each individual player saw a slowly escalating ramp up of match ups rather than the cliff we used to have or the random jumble we have now, but those are side effects of how the game mode works. If you try to prevent this by actually putting in explicit rules to prevent it, you're back to horrible results.

I did suggest a kind of match up metric phase in/phase out mechanic way back when, but the specifics of trying to make that actually fair are non-trivial.

I finished Mysterium 3 and I got seeded into Diamond 4 this season. On my way to GC I maybe played a handful of capable rosters. And double that was people out right forfeiting. I’m not mad, but I will say my account being seeded in Diamond IV was arguably an even more trivial result and experience.

I do think everyone being thrown into Vibranium though last season at the start is probably a huge contributor of all this too.

In GC, I’m less charitable. The only match making parameter that should mater there is the scoreboard.

FiiNCH

as an example they should just do per rank how many R4's you can select for example uru 2 R4's gamma 3 R4's and so on that at least makes it fair now you only meet players who pump 100’s of dollars into it and have little skills but only win because they have all the nasty defenders R4

If you don’t want to match up against bigger rosters than you then you don’t deserve the same rewards.

FishSkin

Who remembers the early days when you could put a few 2* in your deck and have the easiest time ever 😅

DNA3000

Who remembers the early days when you could put a few 2* in your deck and have the easiest time ever 😅

I used to just place a full deck of maxed 4* champs and usually do much better than 50/50 against the 2* deck guys who would generally place a few too many 2* champs into their decks.

bryant4real_

So true. The matchups are disgusting. Only the ‘legends’ get the proper rewards. It should be such an easy fix because why is thronebreaker getting matched up with valiants. FIX THIS **** KABAM!!!

EdisonLaw

I'd recommend improving your roster first

bryant4real_

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!
Please fix this rubbish, how do anyone make a progress with these useless matchups,
We got rid of that a long time ago because it was unfair and stupid.

How exactly is it unfair and stupid?

Abspain101

So true. The matchups are disgusting. Only the ‘legends’ get the proper rewards. It should be such an easy fix because why is thronebreaker getting matched up with valiants. FIX THIS **** KABAM!!!

It is a competitive game mode where everyone gets the same rewards if they went back to that seeding spoiler they wont then you will get scraps for rewards

Abspain101

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!
Please fix this rubbish, how do anyone make a progress with these useless matchups,
We got rid of that a long time ago because it was unfair and stupid.
How exactly is it unfair and stupid?

Because uncollected+ were getting free rides into gc thats no a true competitive competition when everyone gets the same rewards

phillgreen

WHAT HAPPENED TO MATCHING UP ACCOUNTS WITH SAME OR SLIGHTLY LEVEL and PROGRESS AS YOURS?!
Please fix this rubbish, how do anyone make a progress with these useless matchups,
We got rid of that a long time ago because it was unfair and stupid.

I'm going to assume your keyboard broke because this would be one of your shortest posts ever and its concerning